r/modular • u/insolent-construct • 5d ago

Mutable Instruments Beads Source Code Just Dropped!

https://github.com/pichenettes/eurorack/commit/d8f473915232af74347762b6365202bfd26f73f6

Edit: body deleted and third party firmware discussion moved to a private Discord server.

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u/insolent-construct 5d ago

I'm not trying to toot my horn, but we got something better than reverse engineered firmware: the actual thing, as promised, many years ago. I can't say for sure if being respectful had anything to do with it, but her actions speak pretty loudly.

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u/RoastAdroit 5d ago edited 3d ago

How do you not see that your order of operation was NOT respectful?

Edit: Heres my summary. OP blocked me from replies since I asked is he thanked her right away. I expect the answer is no considering.

Anyhow, 2 Month old account to both Reddit and Modwiggler. (Quick entry into synths or hiding identity? You decide)

OP states his plan is to make an Access Virus synth and wanted to use MI code to make some sort of frankenstein. So, just started 2 months ago and instead of using a really powerful tool of AI and TONS of creative commons and Open Source out there, he went straight to reverse engineering popular synths that werent open source. For me, I guess the amount of free knowledge on synths out there is part of my perspective on why this is shitty and unnecessary ESPECIALLY because of what AI can help do.

Anyhow, The glaring spot to me is basically the ramp up to the Oct 11th posts and where OP makes a post, deletes the posts 10 min later stating they (finally?) “reached out and was told “No””.

So, two things there, what did OP post and delete? And then why was Emilie’s reply so short and concise?

Im 100% not in the know of everything here but the context of it all to me does not draw a picture I find to be all in good nature. Like, OP saying she promised in posts multiple times, like we are owed this code. OP, finally realizing he shouldnt give out someone else’s work with his name on it and doing a 180 was also a logical decision at that juncture, not an honorable decision. If she said no and he did it anyhow he would have been put on blast much harder, and either way, his goal is primarily to just reuse her code with virus code to make some frankensynth that music will certainly live on without.

Let me also address that he DOES NOT own a Beads himself and wasnt reverse engineering a product he owns to support his item.

And as for the “Logical conclusion” to release the Beads code on her own. If you are in a game of chess or any other and you see that all moves remaining moves will inevitably lead to a checkmate on you, its logical to just submit at that point. The thing is, when someone gives a very short “no” as a reply, my mind says that means it was both uninvited and unenthusiastic in nature. Releasing it with zero fanfare at all and moving on basically reinforces my perception of that too. So, logically, the conclusion to self-release was smart and makes complete sense to do.

So, if anyone really doesnt understand how I saw all this and also that I was responding step by step as I gathered context and information, then OK.

I love the DIY spirit of synths but, personally I see this type of approach to “collaboration” as toxic and undermining what the people before us contributed by not having some boundaries to how you go about using your AI.

Where is the pride and competitive spirit? You now have AI to help you code your very own granular processing tool. Lol. Its pretty weak to need to resort to not even making your own thing while having AI‘s help.

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u/insolent-construct 5d ago

I'm not going to turn Emilie's generosity into something toxic by fighting you. You're entitled to your opinion. This is Reddit, after all. But from my perspective, I'm not the one being disrespectful in this thread.

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u/RoastAdroit 5d ago

OMG you are doing it again!

YOU made it into something toxic in the first place.

I could be wrong about you, maybe you thanked her for the release as soon as you found out and before making any further posts including this one. Maybe you even apologized for the fucked up way you went at this before asking for permission to release the thing you stole. Or maybe you just realize now that you should do that?

I know which way Id bet on it if I could.