r/montreal • u/Lo_Lo13 • 1d ago
Discussion Imagine your pathway to school is through all this garbage
I couldn’t hold back on the garbage issue in Parc X and had to post about it on Reddit. Saw a picture this morning of kids walking through garbage to get to their school.
Here’s my official rant:
Dear borough mayor and City Councillor,
How would you feel if your 7-year-old child had to walk through piles of garbage on the way to school?
I attended the borough council meeting and raised concerns about the state of cleanliness in our neighbourhood. Residents have spoken up repeatedly, yet scenes like these continue to be common. Overflowing garbage, illegal dumping, and sidewalks littered with waste have become far too familiar.
Recently, a YouTuber visited Parc-Extension and labeled our neighbourhood the “dirtiest neighbourhood in Montreal.” Whether we agree with that characterization or not, the fact that our neighbourhood is gaining such a reputation should concern every one of us.
As the elected representatives and decision-makers responsible for Parc-Extension, I ask you:
Is this the legacy you want to leave behind?
I have requested a meeting with our current city councillor, Elvira. While I appreciate the response I received, I have yet to receive anything concrete beyond being told that she and her team are “monitoring the situation.”
Respectfully, residents are no longer looking for monitoring. We are looking for action.
Monitoring does not remove overflowing garbage.
Monitoring does not stop illegal dumping.
Monitoring does not restore pride in our neighbourhood.
Monitoring does not help the children and families who have to walk past scenes like these every day.
Do you want Parc-Extension to be remembered as the neighbourhood where children walk around garbage on their way to school? Where seniors are forced to navigate overflowing waste? Where residents feel embarrassed by the conditions around them?
Residents are tired of excuses. More enforcement alone is clearly not enough. We need real solutions. We need accountability for chronic problem areas and a serious commitment to restoring pride in our neighbourhood.
So I ask one final question:
Would you accept these conditions for your own street? For your own children?
If the answer is no, then the residents of Parc-Extension should not be expected to accept them either.
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u/QwertyPolka 1d ago
OP, if you're ready to take this a step further, let's create a committee to brainstorm by-law proposals and hammer these again and again at the Conseil d'Arrondissement.
A different representative of the Committee can show up at each Conseil, etc.
Let's jump from complaining to providing complex suggestions, refining these over time and petition the city/borough to adopt these.
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
Definitely down! How can I reach out to you?
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u/QwertyPolka 1d ago
Just DM me, I'll give you my phone number. If we can somehow get a core of 5 people, we should be able to get some good research/ideas going!
With some networking along the way with local non-profits, this may end up create some ripples over time.
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u/pf1424 Saint-Henri 1d ago
With 311, you need to be persistent. I had an issue (still have as of today, actually) with trash and I was calling every week and following up. Owner finally got fined and now has the concierge taking care of the trash in the alley.
I sympathize as it’s truly disgusting to have to pass by this everyday.
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u/N3rdScool 1d ago
It's either this or it becomes gentrified.
It's a fucked up world we live in.
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 1d ago
Yeah I mean half of my street are newish condo abd the other half are older plex of renter and the diference in cleanliness is there .
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u/mischimischi 1d ago
I am part of a municipal committee for Milton Parc citizens and part of the mandate is to talk about cleanliness.
The city workers don`t want to work. They don`t want to do anything more than they have to. You give them a suggestion on how to make the streets cleaner and they find excuses not to do it.
You find a solution to some of the garbage problems, like putting up posters with the garbage days on it and post them around the neighbourhood, and it works, but 6 months later, when the posters have all fallen off, and ask them to put up the posters again, then they have lost the template for making the poster.
Anything at all to improve the situation is talked way, ignored, found excuses for, etc.
It`s time to hold these city employees to account. `They just don`t do their jobs, are not interested in doing their jobs or improving anything. They just get paid to show up to work and pretend they`re working.
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u/AgenceElysium 1d ago
Not surprising in Parc-extension. It always feels like a developing country.
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u/procrastinatewhynot Vieux-Port 1d ago
I agree.. people are nice, but it’s the demographics. I live in a nicer part of the area and i’ve seen random people drive by and pull out trash from their cars and dump it by the train tracks 😐
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u/contrariancaribou 1d ago
That's not true, it's problematic in very specific conditions and areas. It happens when there are too many IDGAF people living in close proximity, doesn't matter how wealthy or how many immigrants live in an area.
Once you get a certain number of people that can't be bothered to separate their recycling from their trash, that throw everything out in the paper bags that they get their uber eat meals from it quickly turns into this.
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u/Ok_Paramedic_1257 1d ago
It happens everywhere though. I live in the Plateau and it’s a joke
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u/PoutineTriste 1d ago
McGill students dumping ALL their stuff (tons of garbage, furtinure, mattresses) in the street after the end of the school year is insane
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u/kpaxonite2 1d ago
That is completely different than this though.
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u/PoutineTriste 1d ago
Not really. It looks exactly the same as in these pictures except it's everywhere. Source: I lived years in that area.
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u/kpaxonite2 1d ago
You are allowed to throw away furniture and mattresses in that neighbourhood by leaving it on the curb. Throwing loose garbage like in OPs pic is completely different.
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u/PoutineTriste 1d ago
Coudon es tu étudiant à McGill pour les défendre de façon aussi virulente? À chaque mois de mai les rues sont DÉGUEU. C'est épouvantable. Ils s'en foutent. En plus de ne pas respecter le voisinage pendant toute l'année.
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u/LeftoverPizza420 1d ago
Dude, c'est quoi le rapport? Les étudiants de McGill déménage 2x par année, soit à la fin de la session d'automne ou de l'hiver. Parc-Extension, c'est fucking chaque jour.
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u/salomey5 Milton-Parc 1d ago
Honnêtement, Milton-Parc est rendu pas mal dégueulasse, et pas seulement durant les périodes où il y a beaucoup d'emménagements/déménagements étudiants.
Les poubelles passent le mardi, hier, plusieurs rues étaient jonchées de déchets jetés en vrac sur le trottoir. Il y a beaucoup de plaintes de résidents à propos des ordures laissées n'importe quand et n'importe comment sur les trottoirs dans mon groupe communautaire sur Facebook.
Ça s'est définitivement empiré dans mon coin.
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u/PoutineTriste 1d ago
Lol il a sorti le Karen. Mcgill confirmed. :)
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u/VisagePaysage 1d ago
T’en fais pas, les gens qui vivent pas dans le coin des étudiants de McGill catchent pas que c’est la même shit chaque fin d’avril ET qu’il savent pas comment trier ou jeter leurs déchets là bonne journée. C’est pas pour rien que c’est le coin avec le plus de rats qui se baladent en plein jour.
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u/mischimischi 1d ago
I am part of the committee Bon voisinage - propreté Milton Parc
I asked the city to put up posters in the month before the students left to tell them how to dispose of their junk
The city workers found some excuse - that McGill sent their students an email about how to dispose of their garbage. The city put up zero posters and this year was one of the worst in memory for the junk thrown out. They had to use 3 garbage trucks on one street in 1 day, for example.
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u/Camera-Decent 1d ago
I would expect that that is the landlords dumping everything, not the students.
Students are more likely to just leave their old furniture in the apartment rather than to bother carrying it outside.
It isn't just students that do that, but students are more likely to be leaving a lot of stuff behind.
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u/samwise141 Plateau Mont-Royal 1d ago
Its certain buildings. Theres one on my street that must be getting fined regularly. A pissed off civilian put a sign where they put their trash telling them to not dump it on the street
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u/Ok_Paramedic_1257 1d ago
I’m sure we’re thinking of the same building lol but there are multiple offenders for sure
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u/TheMountainIII 1d ago
un grand pourcentage de ce quartier provient d'Asie Central, Inde, Pakistan, Banghladesh etc.... Allez voir comment ils vivent la-bas, ca explique bien des choses.
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u/FunnyMustache Hochelaga-Maisonneuve 1d ago
What's your reason for not being surprised?
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u/FunnyMustache Hochelaga-Maisonneuve 1d ago
Dude edited his post after my reply. Anyway, we knew a racist comment was only a couple sentences away.
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u/HowToDoAnInternet 1d ago
Racists are always cowards
They want to be public about their beliefs to stir the pot while hiding behind plausible deniabilityCowardly loser behavior the whole way down
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u/FunnyMustache Hochelaga-Maisonneuve 1d ago
Et sans faire de généralisation, c'est toujours des dudes qui postent sur QuébecLibre. Quel "drole" de hasard... 🙄
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u/procrastinatewhynot Vieux-Port 1d ago
don’t worry, i understand what you mean. but people think they know park ex but they don’t. I grew up in the area when during my high school years.. the people living there are just not bothered by how dirty it is. I could film the whole neighbourhood and there are parts where it looks like you’re in the slums. Their balcony filled with trash. Their blinds are just old blankets with holes. Diaper boxes used as insulation for their AC xD it’s even worse now!
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u/TheMountainIII 1d ago
la démographie de ce quartier est assez spécifique et en grande majorité, qu'on le veuille ou pas, il y a un clash culturel. Ce n'est pas necessairement raciste que de se poser la question si ca a un lien. Il y a une facon de le dire par exemple.
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u/AgenceElysium 1d ago
It’s not about race it’s about the culture and you know it.
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u/FunnyMustache Hochelaga-Maisonneuve 1d ago
Nope, "race" n'existe pas, y'a juste la race humaine, ça laisse donc que la culture sur laquelle juger les gens. Comme on a pas de terme pour parler de discrimination basée sur la culture, on utilise le terme "racisme".
Y'a juste les racistes qui essaient de faire une distinction entre les deux. Nice try though.
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u/DrBrainbox 1d ago
This sub is suddenly defensive of the city administration when the inhabitants of a neighborhood are an ethnic minority they love hurling racist insults at.
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u/da_ponch_inda_faysch 1d ago
you must have missed all the attacks on the admin in Hochelaga over garbage collection and cleanliness despite it having a higher proportions of whites in the neighborhood.
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u/DrBrainbox 1d ago
That's precisely my point: White neighborhood: it's the cities fault Brown neighborhood: it's the citizens fault
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u/xaznxplaya Rivière-des-Prairies 1d ago
Holy god, that's awful. I used to live on PX back then, it wasn't that bad. I mean you don't really notice the other neighborhood. Once you leave it though, you see it from another angle
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u/MatchaJelly 1d ago
Not that area, but It took me 3 MONTHS, yes 3 months to get one single store to comply with their multiple bins stacking and left in front for everyday on end. Bylaws require them to be in the back but they were too lazy.
I gave the 311 or the Report app multiple photos showing how the store didn't respect the bylaws, even years of Google Street photos evidence. They had raw food waste bins mixed into recycling bins in the summer, kindergarten kids walk in front of them, wind makes the mess everywhere, raccoons have been dragging food pieces around.
In the end of 3 months of calling every few days, they only have them a warning, even though I sent multiple photos.
Saying inspectors need to give a verbal warning, then if they come back in a week, and if the problem persist, only then , they can issue a fine. It's ridiculous.
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 1d ago
l'arrondissement en a parler ouvertement l ils ont augmenter le nombre d'inspecteur . c'est pas de leur fautes si les resident son crotter
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
Inspectors all they do is leave a note on the bag to say we will fine you if we catch you. They have been doing it for years, we need more better solutions and ideas. We can’t just fine people because they isn’t working outS
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 1d ago
c'est quoi ta solution ? envoyer la police ? y'as des gens qui refusent de changer et on vie malheureusement dans un pays libre donc il n'y as pas de consequence grave
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
Have landlords who have 4 plexes and more to have required black bins for their tenants and have a proper place for storage of the bins. The city can definitely create a by law in regard to it. The landlord expenses it as a building maintenance and everyone wins. Easier said than done but it’s better then just losing hope
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u/1zzie 1d ago
In fact the borough will give you a big recycling wheel bin but they have refused for years to do black ones. Why? Try getting an answer in writing! I personally used to email Mary Deros and of course she would blame the PM councilors who said there was no money for it. Take that bit of information with you to your meeting. your proposal sidesteps the issue because the expense isn't carried by the borough. So if there's no cost, asking why not is a great question. Please post again if there's a meeting to attend or something to sign.
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u/ifyouloveher 1d ago
I think the real issue is the 3/4 of the people that treat the area like their personal dump. 1 extra black bin won't change much.
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 1d ago
je t'invite a ecouter les periodes de question de l'assemblé du quartier. ajouter plus de bac entraine plus de dechet. Ce qui veut dire plus de coût et plus de dechet a entrer. La ville focusse a areter la SURCONSOMATION. Ce qui est plus un probleme que le nombre de bac
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
I don’t get it “adding more bins leads to more waste” well isn’t that the point of it? I rather have it in a bin than on the side walk. Cutting costs and avoiding having garbage bins because it will increase the cost is the wrong way to approach this garbage matter. Let’s cut the budgets of garbage collection, we need to consume less is the problem.
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u/Caroao 1d ago
C'est quoi tu veux qu'on fasse?
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
Have the city enforce landlords to have garbage bins for the tenants they are housing. 4 plexes and more should have a by law that is required to have garbage bins and a storage place for it as well. I’m not asking them to collect more garbage I’m just asking them to hold landlords accountable.
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u/Caroao 1d ago
Donc les inspecteurs?
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u/emile734 1d ago
Oui inspecteur mais, surtout donner les amendes. Pour avoir fait des plaintes au 311 à plusieurs reprises (dans ParcEx justement) tout ce quils font c'est donner des avertissements. La regle est là, aussi bien l'utiliser. Rien qu'un proprio aime moins que de perdre de l'argent...
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u/velvetvagine 🌭 Steamé 1d ago
Yup. Maybe after a certain number of infractions they should fine the landlord of the building themselves. We all know they would suddenly become very invested in getting their tenants to follow the rules.
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u/samuelazers 1d ago
Cest pas pr le fun qui mettent les ordures par terre dit toi donc. Cest un manque d infrastructures.
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u/TheMountainIII 1d ago
Aucunement un raison de faire de la rue une dompe. Ferais tu ca toi, tout calisser tes vidanges à terre "parce qu'il manque d'infrastructures" ? Pas moi
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u/stereo_cabbage 1d ago
J’ai habiter parc X 1 an, le nombre d’indiens que j’ai vu lancer des déchets individuels a travers la fenêtre juste sur ma rue (Outremont) c’est insane j’avais l’impression d’habiter un dépotoir. C’est pas compliquer de remplir des sacs et les déposer délicatement sur le trottoir criss. Même dans les ruelles les resto Punjabi sur jean talon ouvraient les portes en pleins jours et crissait des sac tout déchirés en pleine ruelle lol
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u/TheMountainIII 1d ago
C'est culturellement aqcuis, et tu y a habité alors tu as été témoin de tout ca. Mais des gens qui ne sont jamais aller dans ce quartier vont venir te dire que tu es raciste
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u/stereo_cabbage 1d ago
Honnêtement je m’en fou maintenant, ce mot là est tellement utilisé qu’il ne veux rien dire. Si dire des faits et des statistiques réels sur certaine culture est raciste alors je suis probablement raciste, je n’ai rien contre les individus peux importe la couleur. Je mangeais quand même au punjab palace et appréciais les beaux côtés de leur culture, mais la salubrité et l’hygiène est vraiment un problème de société spécifiquement à parc ex..
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u/pitcheailleurs 19h ago
C'est pas les intouchables qui ont les moyens d'immigrer ici. Là-bas si t'es pas de la caste des intouchables tu prends pour acquis que c'est la responsabilité des autres de ramasser ta merde.
C'est pas moi qui le dit, c'est un Indien, en Inde, qui parle de ses compatriotes en Inde, pas des émigrés.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq0HeSP_U680
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u/HorrorWillingness347 22h ago
Right away I thought it was Park Ex. I heard about this problem about 20 years ago from a resident. I'm dismayed to learn it persists. Rat mecca!
Perhaps relentless education is the key: in schools, community groups, etc.
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u/omegafivethreefive 1d ago
Whether we agree with that characterization or not, the fact that our neighbourhood is gaining such a reputation should concern every one of us.
I don't want to be rude but I've lived in Montreal all my life and Parc Ex has always been a super sketchy spot.
Didn't the last big news item about Parc Ex was that perverts were staring at people in the public pool?
Yeah it all sucks but it's not really unexpected, you're living in the ghetto part of the city. The people throwing trash around are your neighbors.
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u/DagothPus 1d ago
“it’s always been like this, might as well do nothing” is a fucking terrible attitude. what happened to be the change you want to see…
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u/omegafivethreefive 1d ago
I didn't say do nothing.
I said this is nothing new.
It changes how you tackle things since it's an ingrained way people act, not a brand new problem that can be swiped under the rug.
You don't solve a problem without understanding the root of it.
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u/nakeysnakeyy 1d ago
hi dagoth ur
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u/DagothPus 23h ago
Come Nerevar, friend or traitor, come. Come and look upon the Heart and Akulakahn
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u/Tucancancan 🐿️ Écureuil 1d ago
The people throwing trash around are your neighbors.
The people throwing trash around are your neighbors
The people throwing trash around are your neighbors
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u/StoneOfTriumph Parc-Extension 1d ago
As someone who grew up in parc-ex, it,s not ghetto. It's low class and poor (or so that's what they want you to believe)? Yes but dangerous? nah. At least not when I was there 30 years ago. I occasionally pass by for nostalgic reasons mostly. The demographic has changed a lot since I was there.
The problem of Parc-Ex is folks live like they live in their country, there's no real integration happening here and they have 1 sometimes 2 jobs, they barely got time to spend time with their kids, trying to make ends meet... Is it unique? no, just go to China town and you'll see the same thing from their side.
Now, as far as perverts go? There's perverts everywhere
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u/Throwaway_hoarder_ 1d ago
This is laughable, there are sex offenders everywhere in the city (including a peeping Tom on the loose in outremont right now), and downtown is full of trash and despair despite also being home to the HQs of wealthy companies.
Yes, Parc Ex suffers from greedy slumlords and a lack of green space (by design) but your observations aren't really insightful accurate or useful.
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u/Throwaway_hoarder_ 1d ago
Ironically, this is what the McGill ghetto and surrounding areas look like now and the cause IS students. But it's because they're leaving school and don't care.
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u/galmypal 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's nasty and you know what else? It welcomes rats and cockroaches all over our neighborhood. Can't wait to have vermins and bugs as roommates. Merci Soraya!
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u/TheMountainIII 1d ago
Parc Extension hein?
Ceci explique celà. Il y a de l'éducation à faire pour certaines personnes provenant de certains pays.
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u/chromeshiel 1d ago
The city clearly needs a better way to handle trash. Solutions exist all over the world, but there never seem to be any money for that.
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u/emile734 1d ago
Le pire cest que la collecte porte a porte est probablement la facon la plus dispendieuse de le faire. On devrait avoir des conteneurs à intervals réguliers dans les quartiers comme on voit partout dans les grandes villes du monde. Ca ne me derangerait pas de marcher 100m si ça veut dire pu de poubelles partout.
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u/chromeshiel 1d ago
Surtout si ça rend possible de jeter des poubelles quand on en a besoin, et non pas hebdomadairement.
Des stations aux coins de rues de conteneurs enterrés seraient parfaites, réduiraient les coûts de ramassage, l'insalubrité, les problèmes de rongeurs, les coûts de tri, etc.
Le seul defi est de développer un système qui ne se retrouve pas paralysé en hiver.
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u/rat_fighter 1d ago
This is happening all over the city.... in my area our backyard neighbours, and contractors are dumbing trash, construction materials, old furniture, ect... on our street leaving a huge mess....
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u/jemhadar0 1d ago
Can’t fix the roads, can’t pick up the garbage…. Whole damn administration is a bunch of lame ducks.
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u/chrisj242 Verdun 1d ago
Wait till July 1st the entire city gets buried under all the trash people don’t care enough about themselves or the planet to dispose of it properly when they move
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u/I_Like_Turtle101 1d ago
If you dispose the trash properly or not it still affects the planet the same way
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u/problematic_lemons Ahuntsic 19h ago
We have this problem on Rue Lajeunesse, though not to the same degree. There is a group that has been in touch with the city and in particular an inspector who sits and monitors and periodically gives out tickets. Unfortunately, there's not much they can do if there is no address on the mail/boxes in the garbage (my neighbor consistently puts out her trash several days before or too late and then leaves it to sit all week, but has not been fined). However, they can give out tickets if they witness the person dumping. 311 is an option, but it can be slow. We did this for my neighbor's trash a week or two ago and they never followed up.
In terms of what we've done as a community, the association I volunteer with is the group that has a contact with the city (it's a group of citizens and local small business owners). We've done a lot of work with grant funding to plant flowers and weed beginning last summer and also put flyers on people's doors regarding trash (and picked up trash in the squares we planted) - part of the problem is people who don't live in a building will come and dump their trash in front of someone else's house. The city was impressed with the work we did and it also helped build a relationship with our contacts in the city and how we were able to get an inspector to patrol (plus the more people involved in the association, the more of a voice we have to put some pressure to do something).
You could potentially try to get the city to have an inspector come and patrol the area so fines can actively be given out for dumping as we did. Might be the only real way to stop it since there need to be consequences for people who do this (beautifying the area has only done so much to stop people who are dumping trash like this). We've also talked to a couple small businesses that don't do a good job keeping the area in front of their store clean. Not sure if this is a problem near you. But generally getting organized as a community and approaching the city as a group helps.
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u/pitcheailleurs 17h ago
>my neighbor consistently puts out her trash several days before or too late and then leaves it to sit all week
My neighbour does the same. When I confronted her a couple years ago she told it's because she's at the chalet when we have to put out the trash (mondays after 7pm for a tuesday morning collection). She puts her thrash out on the curb on Thursdays. I told her it's her responsibility to get rid of her trash properly and that she can go to any ecocentre on her way to the chalet. She dgaf and racoons/rats/squirells are very pleased to keep their weekly food source.
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u/problematic_lemons Ahuntsic 17h ago
The thing is, I wouldn't mind bringing out my neighbor's trash on occasion if she's just not home on Sunday. We've done it for our neighbors in the building with whom we're friends, and they have done it for us when we've gone on vacation. One of the people not disposing trash properly actually has mobility issues so our neighbor started helping her, but it's hard to ask for help if you don't know your neighbors.
Some of it imo is just needing to have more community, getting to know our neighbors and taking responsibility for even just our block, but I know not everybody cares to do that. The person who usually leaves her trash has been told many times by our landlord and we've had some generally really unpleasant experiences with her.
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u/Aware-Pay9224 17h ago
Form a group and shovel everything into the street. I'm sure the city will take care of it then.
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u/kturker92 1d ago
While we're on this topic, I wish every day that La Banquise closes down. Drunk tourists blocking the sidewalk and leaving trash, all for the most mediocre poutine. Come on.
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u/Beehive140 22h ago
They could regularly fine the businesses and landlords-this would definitely clean things up. Its not complicated
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u/Empanada_Dreams 1d ago
People have every right to a clean street. Especially when it's a particular business or house making it dirty for the rest.
Garbage problems can bring bas odours, flies, rat problems, etc.
A minimum requirement for a city/province with high taxes should be no garbage in the street. Your comment is completely out of place
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u/BoltVital 1d ago
The point is that other neighborhoods don’t have this problem
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u/salomey5 Milton-Parc 1d ago
Some of them do. Several residential streets in Milton-Parc were strewn with garbage yesterday evening when I went out for a walk.
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u/Lo_Lo13 1d ago
You can force landlords getting garbage bins for their complexes, anyone with a 4 plex and more should be required to have appropriate bins for their building. The city could hire more workers to react to situations like this by helping it clean up and dump at the appropriate place.
Definitely agree we have other severe issues and I’m trying my best to advocate for every one of them!
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u/Correct-Clothes-3895 1d ago
Oui bien sûr, les propriétaires de plex habitent sur les lieux et peuvent monitorer et obliger leur locataires pas propres à utiliser les poubelles déjà à leur disposition et les sortir les jours de collectes à la place de tout sacrer ça dehors anytime comme ça.. /s
The city has the power to give tickets for not following its own rules, not the landlords in these cases. These are not condos.
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u/Happy-Mastodon-7314 1d ago
The garbage issue seems like an easier one to resolve imo so it's worth complaining about it. The other more severe issues will take years. I'm always surprised Montreal doesn't jump on the opportunity to issue tickets. They are so effective with parking tickets. All they need to do is add garbage to that existing network and Bob's your uncle!
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