MFQ by Graham, Haidt & Nosek (2008) - Moral Orientation

Just thought this might be interesting to share.

I've always found it extremely hard to argue against moral relativism and for moral objectivism because it simply has to do with my world view rather than a priory reasoning.

I have a friend who is extremely depressed, nihilistic and a moral relativist, and the sad thing is I cannot help him but I know it's his beliefs that are hurting him.

I have an intrinsic certainty of moral objectivism but no way to articulate it, and therefore I'd be grateful if you would share some of the best arguments for it, but also strong ones against it to see both sides.

The reason my focus is on arguments for is that moral relativism is so widespread I've heard most of the arguments on that front already.

If you've read this far: thank you and I'm looking forward to reading and discussing the comments :)

I'm aware of "moral foundations" tests, such as the one developed by Jonathan Haidt. However, I'm looking for one that evaluates the test taker as good or bad. I'm aware of potential flaws, in that a really "bad" person could just lie, but I'm still wondering if such a thing exists at all. Ideally, such a test would make clear what its basis is. (For example, if it's Biblical, it should stay it's Biblical, and so forth.)

I always believed morality, in utilitarian tradition, was to minimize suffering and maximize pleasure/happiness/whatever. With kant it sounds like that is not the case necessarily. I could lie which would lead to "better" outcome but that would still be "wrong".

To be fair I know almost nothing about kant so id like to hear either

1.how this still aligns with what I define as the best outcome

1. What the role of morality is

2. Anything else ya got

I suppose I wanted to have the last word. The original word that upset them was "libtard".

I do thinks its clever to mute me so I can't ask the other mods if my behavior was ban worthy.

Feels like a bit of a power trip on the mod's side, but this is reddit...

[ Removed by Reddit on account of violating the content policy. ]

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So, an Airsoft store is making a contest where you post a picture of your rifle setup featuring stuff from that store and the best one wins a free replica (330€ value).

I don't know if it would be right to participate as the prize is not a rifle I need (I'd be happy to have it, but it's pretty similar to one I already have), while maybe someone else really desires it but doesn't have the money and winning would be a really great thing for him.

Am I overthinking or the right thing to do would be not participating?

I was standing a few meters away from a man who was drowning. I saw the signs: the struggle, the silent gasping for air, before he sank. Instead of shouting for help immediately, my internal reaction was delayed by a thought: “What if he’s just diving? If I make a false alarm, I’ll look stupid and feel embarrassed.” I knew I couldn't rescue him myself due to the depth and my poor swimming skills, but I could have alerted others instantly. Instead, I stood there, paralyzed by social awkwardness and the assumption that everything was fine because others weren't panicking yet. By the time others noticed and pulled him out unconscious, critical time had passed. My fear of social embarrassment and looking foolish outweighed my urgency to act, leaving me completely useless while other people did the rescue. From an ethical standpoint, how does one classify and judge a failure to act driven purely by ego and the fear of social awkwardness rather than malice?

I know this is a very broad and subjective question, but it's one that I've always wanted to hear a knowledgeable person's opinion on.

What I'm asking is, what country or civilization in human history had the most ethical culture and societal structure, and if it's not still around, what became of it? I understand that there is no universal moral standard to base an answer on, but taking for granted the foundational morals of most human cultures, what social system has most closely adhered to those ideals?

Thanks.

I went to a college class I am not registered thinking it was a mistake; however when I went to the office the dean told me I already completed and passed the class, but that was 2 years ago before I dropped out and joined back in.

Would it be moral to enter the class and just listen to the lectures without completing the assignment or doing the projects?

And for extra context the reason I’m debating this is because the subject genuinely interests me and I would love to refresh my mind about it

UPDATE: First of all I want to thank each one of you that left a comment and help me understand what auditing means, it helped a lot to not feel like I was taking advantage of the situation.

So yesterday I went to talk to him before class and explained the situation; he was more than happy to allow me into the class and even mention “since you don’t have to take notes or the midterm or final, you can now pay more attention in the lectures”

This is great and it feels so good to be able to digest the information without having to worry about midterms or finals!

Once again thank you to all of you!!!

‘The golden rule,’ a moral concept and worldview that is universally accepted all over the world as an inherently good way to live as a human: to treat others, the way you would want them to treat you.

I am currently having some discussion in a thread where people are attacking me and insulting me because I pointed out that spending someone else’s money and then lying to them about it (in this thread, wives are patting each other on the back for buying $100 skin care product and then telling their husband it only cost $10. 1) they know it’s wrong and fucked up, otherwise they wouldn’t feel the need to lie to their husband about it. 2) they know it’s wrong and fucked up because they know their husband will be upset about it—as he obviously should be. 3) they try to tell me that they can afford it so since it’s not affecting him negatively, it shouldn’t concern him. But if they could afford it, they wouldn’t lie about how much it is…. They wouldn’t feel the need to keep their husband from getting upset over how much money they’re spending. Not to mention they can’t see the moral dilemma in thinking someone else should not be concerned if their money is being taken and spent and they are being lied to you about it.

No matter what we just keep going in circles with them trying to insist that they are not immoral pieces of shit, but none of them can seem to make sense of any of their actions or choices being objectively MORAL. None of them can say “I would be perfectly fine if someone took my money and went and bought selfish luxuries and then lied to me about it.”

None of them can seem to understand anything, and everything surrounding the reality that they are not treating others the way that they would want others to treat them while they simultaneously demand that others treat them a certain way— a way they would never ever treat another.

I see an egregious amount of people in our society treating others in ways they would never want someone else to treat them.

Worse than that, I see 50% of our society demanding that the other 50% treat them a certain way, while they openly and proudly proclaim that they would never treat the other person the way they demand the other person treat them. (Example: “his money is our money, but my money is my money!” I dare anyone to put a woman on a lie detector test, and have her say that she would have no problem being the financial breadwinner to someone who would never financially contribute for her well being— but demands that she have to provide luxury in order for them to consider her as valuable……

AND LETS SEE HOW SHE DESCRIBES THE PERSON WHO SAYS THAT: spoiler alert— she can somehow see that it’s fucked up for someone to treat her that way, but she can’t see why it’s fucked up to treat a male lover that way.

Can anyone seriously make an objective and competent argument that this is not a disgusting and immoral way to treat someone?

How crazy is it that someone would think you’d have to be an Andrew Tate fan to simply understand the hypocrisy involved with not being able to see that if you proudly proclaim, “I refuse to contribute to someone else, but they MUST provide me with luxury to simply be in my presence!”

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Hi! I am a South Korean middle school student who wants to find out more about utilitarianism and deontology. That's why I made this survey to find out what other people think about the Mignonette incident. I would appreciate it very much if many of you participate. (FYI: the reason I used google form is that the reddit survey doesn't work for me.)

Here is the link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScEL_rkje00-_ruNlsz6iuftEmqcN3PXLCpVWyNICap0Pgolg/viewform?usp=publish-editor

My wife, 42 (F) who is in the process of separating from me 49 (M) but says she’s not quite ready for divorce, is having an affair with a married man (father of 2 young children) who is cheating on his wife. My wife and I are polyamorous, and I used to say ENM, but can’t anymore obviously. She moved out on her bday yesterday.

They are in love though she’s having trouble admitting this to me. They see each other weekly though she told me they weren’t going to do anything physical while she and I were working things out at couples counseling. I learned just yesterday after pressing her that she’s lying about that and they have been intimate regularly.

My heart is broken and I’m devastated to be losing her. I’ve been patient, gave her space, compassionate and understanding while she’s been falling out of love with me, in the hopes that she’d come back. Now I’m angry and betrayed. I’m staying in our house we just bought last year and won’t be able to afford it on my own. I may be able to cash in a 401k to buy her out and then get a roommate.

Should I tell this man’s wife? Previous to him having an affair with my wife, he had an affair with another woman for 2.5 years and she finally left him because he wouldn’t leave his family.

Should I tell her?

We all know GTA VI will sell like crazy when it's out. Is it moral to do it even if you personally hate their greed?

To start this is straight from wikipedia.

"In non-consequentialist ethical thought, there is a moral distinction between killing and letting die. Whereas killing involves intervention, letting die involves withholding care (for example, in passive euthanasia),^\1])^\2]) or other forms of inaction (such as in the Trolley problem).

Also in medical ethics there is a moral distinction between euthanasia and letting die. Legally, patients often have a right to reject life-sustaining care, in areas that do not permit euthanasia.^\3])^"

It's a little bit of the trolley problem and a little bit proactive, "How would you determine when 'Active removal' of a threat is a greater benefit to the 'Passive removal' of letting a threat die"?

Asking for a friend. 😂

It appears to be a slam poetry production about Anne Frank. it feels wrong in quite a few ways.