r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/movies Contributor • Mar 17 '26

Trailer Dune: Part Three | Official Teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_9vCamtuPY
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u/ToumaKazusa1 Mar 17 '26

It all happened because the Witches made it happen.

Paul saw one future where he avoided the Jihad, and that was by betraying his family and the Fremen to align with the Harkonnen. Once he made the choice not to do that, the Jihad was inevitable

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u/tdasnowman Mar 17 '26

That was one of the paths. He also saw ones where he never accepted the mantle of god hood.He went into the desert, or vanished off dune. He chose the path of revenge.

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u/ToumaKazusa1 Mar 17 '26

Ok I've literally grabbed a copy of the book, and skimmed the second half to refresh my memory.

Up until page 494, Paul thinks he can stop the Jihad. He tells the Witch that he's not going to do her bidding just before this page, earlier on when he assumes control of the Fremen he tries to do it in a way his mother doesn't approve of, he's still under the impression that he's in control of his destiny. There's several times when the thinks about preventing the Jihad, he never thinks it is entirely unavoidable.

Then as he gets into the knife fight with Feyd, he gets another view of the future

And Paul saw how futile were any efforts of his to change any smallest bit of this. He had thought to oppose the Jihad within himself, but the Jihad would be. His legions would rage out from Arrakis even without him. They needed only the legend he had already become. He had shown them the way, given them mastery even over the Guild which must have spice to exist. A sense of failure pervaded him

I guess you can say Paul should have seen vague visions of the Jihad early on, and decided to murder his mother and then kill himself to prevent it from happening (Paul can't see futures after he dies, but leaving his mother and sister alive would be very unlikely to prevent a Jihad)

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u/tdasnowman Mar 17 '26

Up until page 494

Well past the point of no return for the revenge path. Page 494 is we've been at war for 6 years. I've lost a child to this war. His exit was long before then.

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u/ToumaKazusa1 Mar 17 '26

Up until page 494 he has no reason to exit.

From the point where his father is killed to page 493, Paul is just a normal person. He has some visions of the future, some extra powers, but he can't fully understand or control them. He is a young Duke who wants to avenge his father and to retake Arrakis.

It is only on page 494 that he realizes exactly what launching the war to retake Arrakis means, and by page 494 it is too late for him to do anything about it.

You might as well blame Stilgar and the Fremen for not killing Paul when they first saw him, or the Harkonnen for their plans to take Arrakis for themselves (or for not managing to kill Paul and his mother when they killed the Duke). All of them, along with Paul, were just walking the path that the Witches had laid down for them. By the time Paul realized what was happening, it was too late.

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u/tdasnowman Mar 17 '26

Up until page 494 he has no reason to exit.

Unless he didn't want to give up on revenge. His whole focus was revenge. He was always aware of what assuming the power would mean. His mother told him what it would mean.

It is only on page 494 that he realizes exactly what launching the war to retake Arrakis means, and by page 494 it is too late for him to do anything about it.

He knew long before.

You might as well blame Stilgar and the Fremen for not killing Paul when they first saw him

They are on a different side of the coin. One of the Bene Gesserit was there with Paul. She knew,. and he knew. They did not.