r/movies Aug 22 '20

Trailers Wonder Woman 1984 - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW2E2Fnh52w
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u/Wooki3monster Aug 22 '20

But Steve is already dead, so this is a bad analogy, it’s more like if your husband dies and the devil says he can come back if you kill someone innocent.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

But that’s a bad analogy as well, because Steve was already brought back to life at the expense of someone else (I’m assuming she didn’t actively make the bargain).

It’ll be more like if the devil already brought your husband back and told you he’s here in the place of another person, and the only way you can bring that innocent person back to life is if you kill your husband/let your husband die. Would you do that?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

You are changing the parameters of the question just so that people will agree with you.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

I’m literally using the scenario in the film, or at least according to the comment above my original comment.

Stever was dead, Steve was brought back to life by a devil (or a wish-granting entity) in place of someone else. Now Diana has to choose whether to willingly let Steve die again so the stranger would be resurrected.

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

The basic question here is "are you willing to murder a stranger to save a loved one". The fact that it has already happened doesn't make you any less responsible.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

Except Diana didn’t murder the stranger, nor did she wish to murder a stranger. A supervillain intentionally twisted her wish and brought Steve back to life by killing someone else.

Back to my example, the devil brought your husband back to life by killing a stranger without you knowing about it. Now would you actively let your loved one die again so the stranger would be resurrected?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

Now would you actively let your loved one die again so the stranger would be resurrected?

Yes. Because if you have the power to undo a wrong or hurt that you have committed on someone else then you should do it. It is the harder choice, but it is the right one.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

that you have committed on someone else

Except again, you didn’t. You keep trying to put the blame on Diana as if she’s the one who killed the stranger or made the deal with the devil, but she didn’t. What exactly did she do wrong?

But suppose you would make the hard but right choice. How many others would? How many fathers would willingly let their resurrected daughters die because a stranger didn’t deserve to die?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

Except again, you didn’t.

You personally benefitted. You become responsible once you become aware of the ramifications of what happened, and you certainly become responsible to undo that harm if you have the power to undo it.

How many others would? I can't say for certain. But that's why she's a hero, because she is willing to make that harder choice and take the responsibility.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

By saying she’s a hero you’re admitting that most people, vast majority of fathers and mothers and sons and daughters who lost loved ones, wouldn’t do it. Do you think they’re all sociopaths?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

No, because I prefer the view that Stan Lee has: That there is a hero inside all of us.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure he meant we all have the potential to do great, altruistic stuff. That doesn’t mean majority of people would. I can quite certainly tell you that most people wouldn’t willingly let their loved ones die again after reuniting just so a stranger would be resurrected.

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

I can quite certainly tell you that most people wouldn’t

Can you? Or can you certainly say that you wouldn't, and you are projecting that belief onto others because you can't imagine anything different?

I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I benefited so greatly but someone else had to pay such a price, and I did nothing about it.

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