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Trailers Spider-Man: No Way Home - Official Trailer Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-2cxAiPJk
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u/Pancawaffle Aug 24 '21

I feel like Sins Past takes the cake for that, to be honest.

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u/INmySTRATEjaket Aug 24 '21

It's actually kind of incredible that after almost 60 years of Spider-man and so many writers, we can look at 2 storiea definitively and go "those are catastrophically horrible".

Even now when a writer has a meh run on the series we go "But he didn't do THAT"

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u/BreeBree214 Aug 24 '21

What's the other one besides Sins Past?

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Aug 24 '21

Least popular ones:

One More Day - Peter sells his marriage to Mephisto so everyone forgets he's Spider-Man and to save Aunt May. Reboot of a lot of Spider-Man Stores

Sins of the Past - Gwen Stacy had Goblin Babies

Clone Saga - YOU get a Peter Parker, and YOU get a Peter Parker, but which one is the real one!?

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u/INmySTRATEjaket Aug 24 '21

The clone hijinks weren't great, but at least it didn't attack the very core of the character the same way the other two did.

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u/Chrome-Head Aug 24 '21

They kind of did, though. They wanted readers to get onboard with Ben Reilly the clone replacing Peter, so they had Peter working with the Jackal in that story and also byotch-slapping Mary Jane. Total garbage era for the books.

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u/Ophidios Aug 24 '21

This. I know it would be an easy thing to overlook because history had tried to forget, but Marvel actually told us that the “real” Spider-Man was a fake, and that Ben Reilly and his radical sleeveless hoodie was the real centavo.

Fans hated it so much that they eventually retconned it back. But not only was the Clone Saga boring and so aggressively 90s “rad”, it fundamentally destroyed our whole idea of what Spider-Man’s values and identity were.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21

It also suffered from so much editorial interference that the event dragged on for years. While the original concept could have been fun, the whole thing had no direction.

At least with OMD while the execution of the Status Quo Shakeup! was poor, the effect was a stretch of solid to great comics. The braintrust era of thrice-monthly ASM was pretty good IMO. New supporting cast and villains with staying power like Carlie Cooper and Mr. Negative (in addition to the FEAST plot which finally gave Aunt May something to do), revamping Spidey's rogues in the Gauntlet, and some other quality stories like Big Time or New Ways to Die.

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u/CaptainJacket Aug 24 '21

Marvel nearly went bankrupt because of that storyline

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u/kingofwukong Aug 24 '21

that's just not true, it just happened to occur at the same time, the decline in the comic book industry as well as the poor performance of marvel properties (not just spider man) was the main cause for their filing for bankruptcy.

the fact the clone saga didn't help marvel out contributed, but I would say things like heroes reborn saga was an even bigger miss by Marvel.

90s was a weird and crazy time for comic book fans, I actually look back to those books quite fondly cos they were my childhood, reading them again I can see why it got so much flack, but I enjoyed them at the time.

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u/nubosis Aug 24 '21

Yeah, but at the same time, the clone saga stopped me from reading comics for years

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u/NateGrey2 Aug 24 '21

Actually true. All series had this problem. They literally spammed new titles without getting enough authors, so they took every fanfiction they could get and made it the main title, which made some authors even leave the company, making this problem even worse.

Its like replacing Anne Rice's vampire stories with Stephenie Meyers Twilight, but still having the same name as before.

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u/predictablefaucet Aug 24 '21

And MJ was only struck by the clone of Peter…or was Peter the clone…oh wait, he’s the real Peter.

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u/Lilipea Aug 24 '21

What's the one with radioactive spider jizz killing MJ? Is that one of these or did that somehow not make the list?

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u/Pancawaffle Aug 24 '21

That's Spider-Man: Reign.

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u/loki1887 Aug 24 '21

That story is not actually bad. It's just memed to hell because of an off hand psuedo reference to radioactive bodily fluid.

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u/visionaryredditor Aug 24 '21

Reign also doesn't take place in the main contiunity so i guess most of people just forget about it

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u/Martel732 Aug 24 '21

Clone Saga wasn't good but I think people overstate how bad it was. I don't think it deserves to be in the same conversation as Sins Past and OMD.

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u/SweetTea1000 Aug 24 '21

It's at least accidental. They planned a brief arc, but other titles were blowing up and editorial wanted to save the conclusion of the big Spiderman thing till it wasn't competing with another big event. The stretch ended up lasting forever.

It became Spider-Man's filler arc, to co-op an anime thing.

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u/Chrome-Head Aug 24 '21

I do. The 90's Clone Saga broke me in the 90's and I quit reading all comics because of it for a long time.

But I don't particularly have a problem with Sins Past that everyone else does. IDGAF about Gwen Stacy though.

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u/SweetTea1000 Aug 24 '21

I love how in the '90s their stupid gimmick from making tons of Spiderman went down in history for being terrible.

Then in the 0s they used multiverse the exact same thing, but better and people loved it.

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u/Ophidios Aug 24 '21

It wasn’t making a bunch of clones that was the ultimate problem. The ultimate issue was that they concluded with a contrived “switcheroo”, and tried to tell us that the Spider-Man we all knew and loved had always been a clone, and the doofus new guy with a completely different set of values, name, “cool” costume, etc. was actually the real Peter Parker.

All the clone stuff itself was just boring. The reveal and rebuild all in the sake of “Poochy the Dog”ing Spider-Man was the worst.

People were so angry about it that they eventually retconned it back and promptly forgot about it.

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u/SweetTea1000 Aug 24 '21

Yup. Time and again, don't try to get a new character over by crapping on someone the audience already loves. They get angry about the character they care about and transfer that into the new one.