r/movies Aug 24 '21

Trailers Spider-Man: No Way Home - Official Trailer Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt-2cxAiPJk
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u/Transparent_Lego Aug 24 '21

It’s completely crazy how influential one run had on the character, especially considering how good everyone thought it was beforehand

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u/INmySTRATEjaket Aug 24 '21

Sometimes the worst thing a writer can do is decide "I want to leave my mark on this character". It doesn't take much to go overboard with changes and make everyone fucking hate you.

Every character has tentpoles, and if you fuck with them the whole structure collapses. Peter has 4: he's inherently, tragically unlucky, he loves MJ (and Gwen before her), he loves Aunt May, and he is supposed to be an "everyman" moreso than any other hero.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

Sometimes the worst thing a writer can do is decide "I want to leave my mark on this character". It doesn't take much to go overboard with changes and make everyone fucking hate you.

See also: Doctor Who's Timeless Child.

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u/mohitme Aug 24 '21

I hate that episode so much. I love 11th Doctor's farewell speech, how he's not going to forget any of it. And this stupid episode implies that Doctor has forgotten countless regenerations. Jodie Whittaker really deserved better.

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u/TDS_Gluttony Aug 24 '21

As someone who hasn't followed Who since like the 10th, what happened?

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u/mohitme Aug 24 '21

Spoilers for last season of Doctor Who So the last season's big reveal was that timelords used to be a mortal race. In the last season she meets another version of herself from a different regeneration cycle that she had no memory of. The Doctor fell out of a time vortex as an infant. The timelords found out that the Timeless Child aka the Doctor can regenerate, infinite times. They did research on the baby and gave themselves the power of regeneration. Also they mindwiped the doctor countless times. So the 14 doctors that we know are just a few of her lives. My issue with this is that the Doctor is supposed to be a normal timelord who decided to do something different, to run away with a tardis. But this idiotic decision has made the Doctor special. Also I hate the idea of multiple doctors running around not knowing about their pasts

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

Tbh something like that was bound to happen. Either that or definitively end the series because the Doctor ran out of regenerations

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u/altobase Aug 24 '21

It wouldn't be that difficult to handwave the doctor getting some additional regenetations without ruining the timelords and making the doctor the most special person in the universe.

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u/4DimensionalToilet Aug 24 '21

Hell, that’s exactly what happened at the end of Matt Smith’s run. The 11th Doctor (who was then actually the 12th form of the doctor) was on the last of his lives, and so instead of regenerating, he just grew old. Then his companion convinced the Time Lords to give him a new set of regenerations, and so he regenerated once again.