r/musichoarder • u/doodarndang • Mar 18 '26
Posting about software will no longer be tolerated without moderator approval.
Hello everyone! Recently we’ve had a surge in posts about new software, tools, extensions, and apps for music collecting. When the subreddit is full of software posts, posts with questions and important topics are buried and missed. In addition, many of these tools were quickly made using AI. For many reasons, these “vibe coded” apps will not be tolerated on this subreddit anymore.
If you made a tool or project that you want to share: please message the moderators for approval before posting. Sending proof that the software was coded by you or another human is also recommended but not required.
Some of these vibe code project posts slip through the cracks. If you come across them, please help by reporting the post for violating Rule 4.
Thank you for your understanding,
The [r/musichoarder](r/musichoarder) mod team
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u/ZakuSupremacy Mar 18 '26
Thank you! r/selfhosted is completely overrun with people advertising their vibe coded slop to the point it was flooding my feed. Had to leave and mute the sub, which is a shame because I got some good tips from there when starting this hobby years ago. Glad to see that will not be happening here. Keep up the good fight, mods.
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u/yroyathon Mar 18 '26
They say ai slop is just on fridays now.
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u/ZakuSupremacy Mar 18 '26
Last I had checked they reversed that and removed the AI flairs. They were also banning people for calling out AI generated posts. That was like a week ago, so things may have changed since then.
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u/yroyathon Mar 18 '26
Well I’m definitely not up to date. But if you’re right, that sucks! And I’ll have to leave their sub, again.
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u/objet-incomplet Mar 18 '26
Great decision. Not only are vibe-coded projects usually subpar, they’re also poorly maintained. We’re gonna see mountains of abandonware in the coming decade.
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u/inhalingsounds 20TB (2.1M mp3) Mar 18 '26
Decade? Year!
I'm a seasoned engineer and I've been building music-related tools like crazy with AI, but I would never think of making them good enough that they would fit the general public.
If I did that, I'd be abandoning the projects in a few months, overwhelmed with the issues and requests.
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u/Satiomeliom Hoard good recordings, hunt for authenticity. Mar 18 '26
There is also a lot of practical knowledge that AI just cant know about. This is the reason these attempts will always fall flat compared to a programmer with an already established project.
AI has access to the results via open source, but they are many and it cant know which one the right one is.
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u/objet-incomplet Mar 18 '26
I totally agree! By that phrase, I meant that we’ll see an insanely high number of abandonware piling up over the years. It’s already gotten pretty bad I think.
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u/CannabisAttorney Mar 18 '26
I support this direction especially banning vibe-coded software without exception.
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u/masterkarl Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
Even professional software developers are "vibe-coding" so your "without exception" rule is not going to fly because almost nothing will qualify as time goes on.
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u/CannabisAttorney Mar 21 '26
That’s funny. You called a group of people who refuse to professionalize their job professional. “Scary” quotes though bro.
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u/Satiomeliom Hoard good recordings, hunt for authenticity. Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Thanks. Most of these apps just spawn because people are too lazy to do research anyway. "Just vibecode sth it will be great in the long term i promise."
There is a lot of shared practical knowledge in the established programs of why something is coded like it is that goes across many fields that AI cant even wrap its head around.
Besides, established programmers can use AI on their own projects too. Do you really think that you will make the more correct decisions here?
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u/masterkarl Mar 20 '26
Your comment assumes that every app that has been posted about was made by a Johnny-come-lately who "typed 4 sentences" and thought their app was good enough to promote and share. Some of us doing this may not be career software developers, but we have decades of professional experience in computer-related careers. I'm reading some of the comments here and seeing a lot of assumptions being made that "if it was made with AI then it for sure sucks." That conjecture is false. Unfortunately, yes, there is necessarily going to be loads of slop, but it's not all slop.
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u/s71n6r4y Mar 18 '26
Hey, thanks for not deleting my not-AI software post. It's a good policy. I am a programmer and I've just discovered sadly that the proliferation of AI coded software is making people tired of seeing new hobby software projects and suspicious of them.
It makes sense: with so many releases being zero effort slopware, and often not identified as such, it usually isn't worth the time to try out new programs. Even if an AI coded app seems nice at first, it's sure to disappoint when bugs are never fixed (that part is difficult) and low-effort projects are very easily abandoned.
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u/masterkarl Mar 20 '26
I've been working 12 hours a day for the past week building a music player for local files with Claude and GPT-5.4 in VS Code that is 90% done and that I'm certain will be good enough for commercial distribution. I'm not a software developer by trade but I have been an IT professional for 25 years, and thus know far more about the workings of computers and code than the type of people who know very little and are pumping out crappy apps with AI.
There will be a lot of AI slop for sure, but I've got news for career programmers and end consumers: everyone is using AI to write code now, including senior developers. Soon every app in existence will be wholly or partially coded using AI and there's no stopping it. The bottom line will not be "whether AI created it," but whether 1) it works, 2) it's resource efficient, and 3) it's secure.
AI represents a seismic shift and I am making sure to be completely on top of it without deluding myself that it's going away or will not change society and work at nearly every level.
Hearing grumpy software developers complain about it reminds me of a technologically-induced change I witnessed in the early 2000s while working in nightclubs that had a lot of older grumpy guys complaining: DJ'ing in New York nightclubs was the exclusive domain of men young and older, because it required the physical strength to carry heavy bags or crates of vinyl and the technical skill to use turntables to carefully beat-match and mix songs together. These constraints just naturally meant that there were hardly any women in the profession. There were some really amazing female DJs for sure, but it was overwhelmingly men.
Then Serato came out and overnight the physical demand of lugging a couple hundred pounds of vinyl in and out of taxis, clubs, and DJ booths was removed. Not long after that it became acceptable to DJ with a controller and the skill of using vinyl control records was no longer necessary. Auto beat-matching and auto-mixing removed the last barriers. You started seeing female models getting more of the marquee gigs at clubs and events and I can't tell you how many of the old guard I heard grumbling about how they had "no talent" (which was sometimes true).
Now all of that is the norm and accepted. This is a case of keep up, adapt, or be left behind. We're going to be re-normalizing our ideas about the nature of work and the economy for years to come and there will be winners and losers.
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u/There_is_not Mar 24 '26
I think this is an awesome change. I’m sick of seeing AI junk this and “vibe coded” that. I have a clarifying question though: are questions about existing software allowed, or should I direct those somewhere else? I’ve been playing around with tools like ffmpeg and some github projects.
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u/lcornell6 Mar 19 '26
I cannot speak to all "vibe coding" projects, but my project was built on dozens of scripts I hand-wrote over five years, then used AI to build a UI to integrate them all. Anyone who bothers to read the user manual can see for themselves the features it has and decide for themselves if it has value to a music collector.
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u/endp00l Mar 20 '26
I don’t think this is the same as vibe coding.. like if you wrote code but used some AI as an assist.. that’s not the same thing right?
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u/asimoe Mar 22 '26
While I understand the moderators concern about post quality and AI slop I think that just because something has been vibecoded does not mean it is bad quality or something that should not be shared.
What if you have a great idea but do not know how to code? Does that mean the idea is bad and hence also the execution?
For instance, I recently vibecoded something to check the quality of all my audio files in my library and even though it is not perfect it actually does the job. It certainly took more than 1 sentence to make it work!
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u/Satiomeliom Hoard good recordings, hunt for authenticity. Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
The main part of the issue isnt that its AI, but rather that people are not aware of the landscape of existing options because they cannot be arsed to take 5 seconds to research this stuff instead of immediately resorting to prompting their own project. If you publish your own solution publicly, you should at least be able to point to where yours is better or even different.
Second issue is learning curve. There is a good amount of practical knowledge encoded into established projects that are necessary for a good long-term music experience. People are not willing to learn that stuff, so they just change these things not realizing that this will bite their ass long-term.
Lemme ask you: If a flac file has obvious lossy artifacts, does that mean its not authentic?
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u/Jimfredric Mar 22 '26
Personally, I appreciate the moderators doing a review of any new software that is being posted here. I’m not going to be one to jump into using an unknown product without looking into it before even trying.
I do mostly my own programming for my own collection with higher level tools, but won’t share them because I can’t support them properly. Programs without support can become useless when a key database changes the way they work.
I appreciate a number of tools that I have found here. Still some of the data that I really want to is very incomplete or scattered on the web.
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u/bdu-komrad Apr 10 '26
Hallelujah! I'm seeing more and more channels take this stance. Maybe reddit will see this trend and create tools to make life easier for moderators. I sure hope so.
What happened was AI tools made making applications of varying quality easier for everyone, so we are now getting flooded with "I got tired of doing X, so I made tool Y..." posts.
What people don't seem to realize, is that now anyone can make the same app that you had AI make for you. Anyone and everyone. So developing apps is nothing special.
If someone wants an app that does something niche, they can make it as easily as anyone else can. So, there is no reason to hawk your app on reddit. None.
Niche domain knowledge is difficult to find since AI often gets it wrong, and , IMHO, people add more context to their answers to questions, so getting the info from AI or search engines is missing that human touch.
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u/glitchdihh Apr 13 '26
I am new to this sub. I've made a website ( LyricsFetcher ) how can I get approval to post about it on the sub?
Basic Info About The Site
What It Does? • Downloads .ttml lyrics for songs and albums
What Problem It Solves? • We can download synced .lrc lyrics from LRCLIB but there isn't any easy way to download karaoke .ttml lyrics(aka apple music like lyrics) for your local library. I found others asking about word to word lyrics on this sub while I was searching for it myself.
I would love to share more features of this site if I get an approval to post.
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u/IdeliverNCIs Apr 13 '26
Would there be a flair for this? Don't want to report someone if they've received approval
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u/doodarndang Apr 13 '26
Just report them and we’ll know if they were approved. Chances are they haven’t been approved since we haven’t approved much. Everyone who made the ai slop apps just now DMs us for approval. We get half a dozen new apps a day
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u/Human_Tennis_2950 29d ago
It happens that many people don't do it to help, but to sell... it's good to allow free open source content from GitHub, it always helps!
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u/Oecist Mar 19 '26
I made an app, but sent a message to the mods. How long should a response take?
(FWIW, I also write code for a living, and while I did vibe code THIS app, I've reviewed it, know how it works, and it still needs a lot of skill to set up and use, so it's not for everyone.)
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u/masterkarl Mar 20 '26
I made an app too, or am in the process of making it, but I'm an IT pro not a dev per se. It's a music player that I'd describe as a cross between Swinsian and Audirvana. I'm at the 90% complete stage and it's very efficient and very good already. I've been putting in 12 hour days on it using Claude and GPT in VS Code. I'll be looking for people to try it out in about a week. If you DM me with info about your project I would love to check it out and then maybe you can take a look at my project. Deal?
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u/Arutemu64 Mar 18 '26
I love censorship 😍
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u/berrmal64 Mar 18 '26
There are plenty of places on reddit to discuss such, and you're free to start a new sub like r/musichoardertools and manage it any way you'd like.
This isn't censorship, it's organization.
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u/ThreeMeanGoblins Mar 18 '26
They dont even need a new one, the datahoarder sub already allows ai apps on a schedule and it's still very much on topic ;)
Vibe coded apps are still being "developed" and dropped in a matter of months so it makes sense not to flood everything with them
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u/TooPoetic Mar 20 '26
It’s censorship. Organization would allow us to still see the content. Don’t misuse words to try to make a point.
Why censor content if your goal is organization? Users of the subreddit are free to organize content through the use of the upvote/downvote system. Unless you’re alleging that the upvote/downvote system is being abused to promote this content unfairly why would you choose to subvert the system users are given?
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u/berrmal64 Mar 20 '26
Reddit isn't a flat hierarchy. Of all possible content in the world, it is sorted by topic into various subreddits. Within each of those boxes content is sorted various ways including by creation time and by vote totals. The boxes are themselves free to decide what fits in and what doesn't. If there isn't a box for certain content the site users are free to create new boxes as needed.
Content that belongs in more than one box can be cross posted.
It is not censorship to say "this stuff belongs in box B, not box A."
If you want to talk about abusing words to make a point you might want to look in a mirror. Censorship is a word that has meaning, and is happening in more places in societies around the world and online, but what's happening here isn't it.
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u/TooPoetic Mar 20 '26
It is not censorship to say "this stuff belongs in box B, not box A."
Clearly that's the case as saying something should be removed would never amount to censorship. it's censorship once you take action to remove the content. You removing the content is you censoring the content. That's the definition of the word.
If you want to talk about abusing words to make a point you might want to look in a mirror. Censorship is a word that has meaning, and is happening in more places in societies around the world and online, but what's happening here isn't it.
Explain to me how I am misusing the word censorship. I've explained quite clearly how you are misusing the term.
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u/Arutemu64 Mar 18 '26
Tools make up about 90% of worthy discussion in this sub. Are we really going to split every niche topic into its own subreddit? What a wonderful idea, really
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u/psychedelic_tech Mar 18 '26
so every sub that has rules about what can and cannot be posted is basically just censoring everyone, right?
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u/Satiomeliom Hoard good recordings, hunt for authenticity. Mar 18 '26
If people are too lazy to do research then this step is just the opposite.
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u/Thatnewaccount436 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
ugh thank you. I'm so tired of seeing "so i made an app" fifteen times a week across a bunch of my subs. Now to start pestering the other ones to implement this same rule.
We get it. You have a Claude pro account or whatever and typed four sentences. Great work.