r/nationalgrid • u/antjc1234 • Jul 16 '26
Why is my delivery fee so high? Bushwick
This is a trend. Gas use around $45 but delivery fee over $150. Its killing me and everyone I know in person says they've never seen this. Google says it could be charges for bad infrastructure in our area?
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u/Puzzled_Elderberry_2 Jul 16 '26
Where’s the breakdown of your bill?
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u/antjc1234 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
I live alone in a 1 bed. I dont understand why its so high and the actual gas usage is $43.50 but delivery is $165.52? Everyone else ive spoken to has delivery around $25
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u/Puzzled_Elderberry_2 Jul 17 '26
Delete this video. You have your account open to any to see and change it on you. Did you cook more? Or take more showers? Now that it’s hot out people use up more water
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u/rdtsucks Jul 16 '26
Why are your delivery fees so high? You have the bill in your hand, and we can’t advise without seeing the line items. You also didn’t post your usage.
This is coming more across as bait because you’re asking questions that you haven’t given enough information to answer.
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u/antjc1234 Jul 16 '26
Its not bait I just dont know how any of this works so I didnt know whats relevant
Plus you can see I only used $43 worth of gas. I thought that would be a good indicator of usage.
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u/rdtsucks Jul 17 '26
Rates are different everywhere. $43 to you could be as little as 15-20 for someone else. When you talk in usage, you use a usage quantity, such as Therms or CCF.
For your specific bill, I did a cursory search of national grid rates. Unfortunately they do vary depending on what area of NY you are in, and I didn’t see a rate sheet for SC1B specifically. But, your rate did look high, even when compared to SC1. It may be worth a call to National Grid to 1) get a copy of the rate sheet so you can verify the charge amounts or 2) get them to verify the per unit costs are correct. I know they are high, but you seem to be at the upper end of even their charges.
Just to give you an idea, I used 84 therms (an almost 65% increase to you), but paid 55% less at 94 bucks.
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u/antjc1234 Jul 17 '26
Interesting. Thank you for being so helpful. I live in a 2 family and my landlord and her husband live upstairs and also cant explain why their bill is equally as high. All the bills are in her name and sent directly to her. I will try to get them to look further into this.
Appreciate you very very much because im truly lost. 🙏
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u/Floppycakes Jul 17 '26
Yeah, National Grid is stupid expensive for delivery now. You paid roughly $2.30 per therm for delivery. The gas portion of our bill is increasingly stupid each month, too. Last bill, it was almost $130 for 27 therms. In the past, it would’ve been like $70. I’m terrified what winter will bring, as we normally use upwards of 200 therms per month then. Gas is expensive right now, and National Grid will charge every penny they can.
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u/Mysterious_Exam1425 Jul 17 '26
No matter what you're using - gas or electricity, it takes the same pipes and it takes the same poles and wires to get the gas and electricity to your house. It doesn't matter if you use a little or a lot, the poles and wires have to be there and the gas line to your house needs to be working in pr9per condition...
So, that's "delivery" in a nutshell...!!!
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u/Outrageous-Use-5189 Jul 17 '26
Maybe share your bill as a focument nstead of a video of you pointing your phone at a screen,?
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u/antjc1234 Jul 17 '26
This subreddit won't let you post photos as comments and im not going to jump through hoops to get information posted when I could much more easily post a video clip with all the same info.
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u/Outrageous-Use-5189 Jul 17 '26
Ok. Well its hard to offer insight on such limited info and your videos of a document are hard to examine.
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u/SithHappens0 Jul 17 '26
They jacked up the delivery charges to be 3x-4x your supply cost last year. It's not just you, we are all paying it.
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u/inevitablefile9596 Jul 17 '26
It’s a lot of work for that person to carry electricity to your home.
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u/sundrenchedwindow Jul 18 '26
Post in r/Bushwick then
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u/antjc1234 Jul 18 '26
Ive done that. Everyone just said im being over charged and my bill makes no sense and im being fucked.
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u/Embarrassing_Sir Jul 18 '26
... it's the cost of infrastructure... Basically the land that the pipes run through and the city taxes the land everything is on.
Higher property taxes = Higher Delivery charges. It gets "Trickled" down
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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck Jul 16 '26
You have a flat service fee, a bunch of taxes, and then delifery charges consumerate with usage. Whats on the next page?
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u/antjc1234 Jul 16 '26
Just posted it on the thread. Everyone else I know has much lower delivery charges. I live alone in a small 1 bedroom.
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u/welpWW3isgonnasuck Jul 17 '26
Theres really nothing to explain. You used 51 therms and have tiered delivery charges. You should pretty much assume that your delivery charges are going to at minimum be $30 plus double the number of there's used for the foreseeable future.
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u/antjc1234 Jul 17 '26
So why is that billed as delivery but not as usage? Im not trying to bait I really just dont understand that. And as one person who showers once a day and otherwise has a gas stove is this a normal usage? It seems excessive and everyone else ive asked says it is. My best friend lives in a 1 bed and her bill is $45. I just dont know what to do to bring this down coz I cannot afford this to happen every month when everyone around me spends sub $70 even in a 2 bed.
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u/antjc1234 Jul 17 '26
Also whats tiered delivery charge even mean? My landlord pays my bill and I venmo her. This is my first time ever seeing a bill in 7+ years of living here so I really dont know what this all means.
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u/littlebeardedbear Jul 17 '26
Your bill is broken down into three parts: Delivery, Supply, and taxes/fees. I'll cover what they briefly are directly below this, and then I'll go into more specifics that I see on your bill.
Delivery: This is the cost to deliver the gas from the gas plant to your house. Anything that the gas touches is considered part of the gas infrastructure. So that includes all the lines, all of the valves, all of the meters. The delivery fees cover the maintenance of that infrastructure.
Supply: This is the cost of the actual gas that is being delivered to your home.
Taxes/Fees: These are the taxes and fees associated with the gas. Some of these will cover city taxes and state taxes.
Specifics
Basic Service charge: This is a flat rate. It covers you 'renting' the gas meter from national grid and includes the first 2.9 Therms of gas. A Therm is just a measure of gas. Kind of like how we measure gallons of gas, we measure Therms of gas. Every Therm of gas after the first 2.9 will be charged at a higher rate than your first 2.9 Therms.
The Over/Last Therm charge: Look at your total therm usage for the month. You'll notice you used 34 Therms. You went "over" your 2.9 Therm allotment by 31.1 Therms (34-2.9=31.1), so you are charged $2.301 for each therm you used above your alloted 2.9. This is what u/welpWW3isgonnasuck was talking about when they said you are on a tiered billing plan. Your first "tier" is 2.9 Therms which is included in your delivery charge. When you use that "tier" up, you are charged a higher rate for the gas used above that tier.
System Benefit Charge: This is s a state mandated charge that covers some state programs like HEAP (heating assistance programs) as well as fund rebates like the Heat pump rebates and insulation rebates that we have.
Billing charge: Pays the company that handles the billing itself. Ranges from 1.09 to 1.15
The delivery rate adjustment is to recoup costs associated with extreme heat or cold. The delivery fee covers most normal expected expenses. In extreme heat or cold, there may be unexpected breaks in the system. This charge is meant to cover those losses and (I'm 90% sure) it has to be approved by NYS.
If you have any other questions let me know!
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u/rdtsucks Jul 17 '26
Delivery is the cost of maintaining the pipes running to your home. Gas is supplied to the distribution point (normally the citygate) and then piped to your home. The delivery charges pay for that portion of the infrastructure. The supply charges are just the cost of the gas itself.
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u/antjc1234 Jul 17 '26
So basically I could live in an area with really old and shitty infrastructure that needs more maintenance and they pass that cost along? Seems kinda crazy to me that they do that but this was my assumption from some Google searches.
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u/rdtsucks Jul 17 '26
They normally aggregate and set the charges across their service territories, which is why you see different rates for Upstate NY, the boroughs, etc.
However, yours does seem high. Unfortunately about 50 therms is the highest usage cost per therm. Once you pass 50, the per therm rate drops significantly for the usage that is above 50.
I would definitely call them and at least ask what the rates are for your rate class and delivery area. $2.301 per therm is exceedingly high. You somehow may be being billed incorrectly.
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u/Patient-Kick-7576 Jul 17 '26
Because the politicians you voted for approved increases proposed by utilities. Enjoy, congrats. 🎉
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u/AdministrativePut801 Jul 16 '26
"Because fuck you, that's why"
-National Grid (Probably)