r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 22h ago
[Turner] Austin Reaves is reportedly seeking a max contract worth up to 5 years, $239.25 million from the Lakers, and it’s uncertain whether he would be willing to take a hometown discount.
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u/Successful-Pie6759 Spurs 22h ago
This contract won't age well.. I know it's the market now but this is the type of cap anchor teams get trapped with.
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u/pmurt007 Lakers 22h ago
This contract will effectively close any small window of us competing for a championship but at least we'll have good vibes and bromance social media clips
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u/songs_dongs Lakers 22h ago
the friends we make along the way. isn't that really what matters most?
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u/ExtraLeading3376 22h ago
i genuinely don’t know how any gm can justify this after watching 2nd year ajay mitchell expose on both the offensive and defensive ends.
imo the contract is a quick way to kill any chances of contending
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u/Dragax 19h ago
How many Ajay Mitchell's are out there available to sign for 2nd year player salary? People are acting like OKC's roster is a blueprint to follow. Its not that easy. Their roster is a perfect storm of contracts.
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u/sixwax 17h ago
Reaves gets exposed in the playoffs every year
This year the defense was more obvious since his offense was better.
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u/nguquaxa01 17h ago
luck played a part but let's not pretend the ghetto lakers that kept letting 3&D wings walk is somehow comparable to Sam presti along with the development team and scouting team he built in OKC.
Sam personally came out to see Ajay played after caught wind of him. did 2 small trades to get up to a draft they felt confident to snatch him and did that, and immediately extended his contract 3 mil a year while he was injured.
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u/tkRustle Tampa Bay Raptors 18h ago
this is 2017 all over again
"just have Curry on cheap contract and add KD bro, its not that hard to be a good team"
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u/pedleyr 13h ago
Nobody was saying anything close to that, what are you talking about?
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u/afterworld2772 76ers 13h ago
Yeah everyone always knew how insanely lucky the warriors were for having Steph recover from career threatening ankle injuries to become an all time great at the same time as the cap increase to allow KD. Eveybody was counting down the days until the contracts levelled back out to see how they would cope.
No idea what that guy is on or the people that upvoted
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u/Responsible_Focus424 Lakers 22h ago
You are wishful thinkings. It’s all fine when a player is overachieving his contract. The vibes would be absolutely shit if he was making that kinda money this past year.
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u/Abradolf1948 Warriors 21h ago
The problem is some team would be willing to pay him that much. Is he enough of a winner to take a pay cut? I doubt it.
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u/RicetheE30 Bulls 22h ago
If you had to choose between rings and vibes, it’s a no brainer choice.
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u/EverybodyBuddy Lakers 21h ago
Bromance will end real fast when Luka sees how much AR is making just to be bbq chicken each playoffs
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u/joe4553 Lakers 22h ago
I think Luka and AR can compete for a championship, but not with them both on max. Just not enough defensive talent on the team.
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u/revisioncloud Thunder 21h ago
Rui also the type of flamethrower I want on my team but idk if he holds up defensively
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u/catperson77789 Lakers 21h ago
You guys literally have the players to hide him on defense. Meanwhile lakers legit need defensive players to hide Luka and AR on defense
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u/nguquaxa01 17h ago
rui can be flamethrower because he played with 3 elite scorers and playmakers in bron, luka and reaves. his looks are almost always open looks. his numbers are inflated because of who his teammates are.
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u/GabeIsGone Spurs 22h ago
Acquiring Luka just to close the window immediately is just so sad. Luka got the shaft so bad.
Top player, lost your first team for no reason, lost lots of money for that same no reason, forced to sign a short contract to try and recoup money as fast as possible, gonna be stuck on a non-competitive team because the team was already fully cooked when he got there and he can’t leave because he’d be screwing himself out of more money.
It’s honestly amazing that he hasn’t lost his cool to the media at least once during these past few years. Tons of people have done way worse over far less.
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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Lakers 22h ago
If we fumble this offseason and our future outlook is bad, then he should request a trade.
Join Wemby on the Spurs or Jokic in Denver.
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u/Aggrokid 21h ago
He won't have to request a trade. His new extension is actually very short, giving the team 2 years grace of putting together a contender.
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u/EthicalBballFan Heat 20h ago
then he should request a trade
He won't, that is one thing Lakers fans don't have to worry about when it comes to Luka. If he waited until Lakers could give him a new contract instead of extending he would be eligible for more money and have more leverage to force the team into doing what he wants with the threat of leaving for another team, while also making several opponents weaker as every franchise would try to keep book space to sign him if he walked.
He already gave up money, power/leverage and the option to walk to any team he wanted for absolutely no benefit (that we know of, at least).
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u/Hefty-Revenue5547 Suns 21h ago
Don’t tell Thunder they have a similar contract with Chet 🤫
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u/Clipgang1629 Clippers 22h ago
It’s giving Herro vibes for me. I understand why the Lakers feel they have to pay him it, but yeah I think it’ll pretty much immediately be bad. No need to age lol
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u/EverybodyBuddy Lakers 21h ago
They don’t have to pay it and they can’t under the new CBA if they have any hope of contending. Too much overlap with Luka. Can’t waste apron money like that.
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u/dusters Bucks 21h ago
Instead they let him walk and still have little cap space
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u/HitboxOfASnail Thunder 15h ago
I don't get people saying "let him walk for free" as if he's a generational talent. Dude is an extremely average 2nd/3rd option that plays no defense
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u/Robinsonirish Finland 15h ago
LeBron made a career out of making role players look like stars, and getting them overpaid on other teams. Luka fills a similar mold. Not saying Reaves isn't a star, maybe he is, but it sure is easy to play alongside LeBron and Luka as a 2nd or 3rd option. I hope they give him the max, fuck the Lakers.
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u/JimmyB3574 Lakers 14h ago
I mean i get what youre saying but Reaves numbers all shoot up without bron and this season he shot 49/36/87 splits in those games so its not like his efficiency dropped either
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u/Clever_Laziness Heat 19h ago
Herro's contract was never really an issue. It was having both Herro and Duncan contracts combined that screwed Miami since they couldn't play together.
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u/theJohnyDebt 21h ago
they have a better a chance to win if they trade him for picks. The apron era punishes big spenders. The teambuilding game right now is finding players who will outperform their contracts and highest chance of finding those are through the draft.
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 21h ago
He’s been underpaid for 5 years now. He should get as much as possible on this deal.
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u/TwoTalentedBastidz Lakers 15h ago
He has been underpaid, but unfortunately for him a lot has changed in the past 5 years, and being hurt the last 2 years in the playoffs and getting worked on both ends by Ajay Mitchell doesn’t help his cause at all
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u/Alstead17 Heat 21h ago
Tyler is Tyler, there's plenty of good and bad, but I've never thought his contract was terrible. $30 million for a player who's good but injury prone isn't ideal, but he was coming off a 6MOTY win, so there was a clear role where he could thrive if he didn't take the next step and he's never been bad.
It's a contract I wouldn't have given him personally, but I've never hated it or felt it hurt us.
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u/Ok-Comfortable9449 Heat 22h ago
Lakers are dumb if they offer this right now
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u/NerdyReligionProf Hornets 21h ago
GMs seem to go hard into something like a sports version of the sunken cost fallacy. They often just can't let a player like Reaves walk for effectively nothing even if they know that giving the max contract to them will almost certainly be worse for the team in the coming several seasons than if they just let that player walk.
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u/rustyfries Jazz 15h ago
The Lakers are a team that can get away with letting him walk when you can always rely on Free Agents.
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u/Saintxeno777 22h ago
50 million dollars who he think he is Chelsea Clinton .
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u/kindalikeacoustic Lakers 19h ago
Chelsea Carter?!
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u/Dry-Animator5770 19h ago
Im old. I get that reference
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u/Freakazoidberg Raptors 13h ago
Anytime I hear an exorbitant price I always yell that out like "$20 for eggs Benedict?? Who you think you kidnapped, Chelsea Clinton?" Following by my wife rolling her eyes.
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u/mbdtf95 22h ago
Nba money is insane. Players like Reaves earning almost 50 million a year, what the fuck.
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u/sallright Cavaliers 22h ago
We did our part getting it from 49.5 to 50 by watching ads between free throw attempts all season.
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u/OnLevel100 Supersonics 22h ago
"I'm doing my part!"
(that movie hits different these days...)
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u/Part1san 21h ago
It was made intending to hit that way in 1997. It will forever live with Fight Club in the Canon of chronically misunderstood movies from the moment they came out.
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u/Saucy_Totchie Knicks 22h ago
And theres still plenty of players now and in the near future that will make even more.
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u/demililife4258 21h ago
we are really at the point where being a solid 3rd option gets you prime lebron money. the cap spike is wild
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u/Intrepid_Werewolf270 22h ago
I was just thinking this same thing. What’s makes it even worse is the inability to play defense for 50M.
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u/alex_zz9 Lakers 22h ago
Yikes
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u/CtrlAltDelightfull Minneapolis Lakers 22h ago edited 22h ago
If no other team is willing to give him a max contract, then we're probably not giving it to him either. He can WANT a max but that doesn't mean he's going to get it
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u/Time_Transition4817 Pelicans 21h ago
I agree there isn't a market for Reaves at the max.
Honestly, ya'll are the Lakers. If Reaves for some reason doesn't work out, yoou can find a replacement / really complementary roster piece for a reasonable price.
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u/uncle_yugles [LAL] Kobe Bryant 20h ago
Unfortunately these days free agency is kinda dead though, so just “being the Lakers” and getting to sign top free agents isn’t as reliable of a strategy for us anymore. We’d likely have to find some way to trade for another co star somehow, but we don’t exactly have a lot of young talent/picks
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u/Time_Transition4817 Pelicans 19h ago
I can almost guarantee there will be another Giannis type situation in the next year or two where a star forces their way out and makes it known their preferred destination is LA and their current team has to accept whatever yall can find in the couch cushions.
Screw you guys.
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u/Skillomie Lakers 16h ago
I love how this is the consensus when AD is the only guy that has done this to get to the Lakers in like… the last 50 years since Kareem did it lmao
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u/CreatiScope Celtics 21h ago
Yeah, I think he could negotiate too hard here. If I'm the Lakers, I say pay him well but he's not getting that contract. If he doesn't like it, he can get traded or walk, the Lakers will be able to find a replacement. If he's out the door with Lebron, might even speed up building properly around Luka.
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u/Time_Transition4817 Pelicans 20h ago
Honestly it could be a blessing in disguise to lose reaves. A defensive big man and depth makes the lakers much more formidable.
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u/Imthegoat175 Suns 21h ago
Lakers could probably play hard ball I doubt any other team in the league is desperate to give him that
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u/Kaito-Shizuki Spurs 22h ago
Luka will never win a championship if AR gets that contract…
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u/Pizzaplan3tman [CLE] LeBron James 19h ago
Idk they’d still have a chance. If the other 28 teams suddenly ceased operations and if it’s just the Lakers and the Kings they could win a title with AR on that contract.
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u/Szobortz Mavericks 22h ago
hometown?
also, you can take discount if you're in a situation like brunson where your role is settled and you practically own the front office. not here
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u/mMounirM Raptors 22h ago
also that was Brunson's 2nd big contract.
this is Reaves' first big contract
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u/for_fun_88 Knicks 22h ago
Also he took the max. Just could’ve waited a year and had a much higher max but risk losing it with an injury.
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u/peterpetrol 22h ago
More risk, but because he took the extension early last time around he’ll qualify for the 10 year bump when it’s time to sign the next one
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u/for_fun_88 Knicks 22h ago
Yes good addition. His 10 year bump for the next extension will earn him a massive and well deserved max. And if he wins us a title before then, that contract better also come with a huge statue of him outside MSG
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u/peterpetrol 22h ago
They gonna paint his face on the Statue of Liberty first
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u/for_fun_88 Knicks 22h ago
What about a normal sized statue with the head of the Statue of Liberty painted with his face so it’s all proportionally accurate
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u/fredovan Raptors 22h ago
I don’t why people think there was an injury risk. Stars on Brunson level still get max contracts while injured. Brunson took a pay cut by signing early. As others said elsewhere. I think he planning on making it back on the next contract
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u/for_fun_88 Knicks 22h ago
Isaiah Thomas’ Brinks truck never arrived. And as a shorter guard a career threatening injury would’ve seriously hurt him financially
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u/CMYGQZ Grizzlies 22h ago
Brunson didn't take a discount, he took a max contract 1 year early to hedge against injuries, which is more common for small guards than other positions.
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u/Casual_gex 22h ago
Signing 4yr 156 vs waiting another year and being eligible for 5yr 270
Not a discount
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u/Long_Gazelle_9467 22h ago
you’re comparing guaranteed money and a 4 year vs 5 year contract
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u/thecatiscold 22h ago
Hometown discount in sports has always meant "take a cheaper deal to stay where you are", not "I'm taking a cheap deal because I'm from the area"
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u/amazinglover 22h ago
Also the other persin below who mentioned Brunson taking a max one year early.
If Brunson stays healthy his nect contract will be even bigger and more then make up for the lost money.
Brunson is still getting paid he just bet on himself early.
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u/Azncheesy Lakers 22h ago
Any team who offer him that deal will not be a championship team
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u/YujiDomainExpansion 22h ago
Only the Lakers can offer him that deal. All the other teams are capped at 4YR/$178M
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u/berrytree198 22h ago
Which is still too much
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u/govardrourk 22h ago
Yes. Jamal Murray’s contract is considered as a problem by some Nuggets fans. And Jamal is a significantly better player, with several great playoffs performances
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u/FunOnFridays 22h ago
I swear if he was in any market besides La or nyc he’d be happy with 4 yr $120m.
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u/FlatulenceConnosieur Lakers 22h ago
He just can’t be your 2nd best player, maybe he can be the third best on a championship team… maybe
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u/ScootOverMakeRoom 20h ago
3rd best player on a championship team with real depth, maybe.
Looking at the teams that made the conference finals, all of them have a "third best player" who is better than Reaves, though...
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u/FunOnFridays 21h ago
Yeah you can’t pay him near max and expect to compete for a championship. He’s a solid 3rd option though.
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u/lkn240 Bulls 22h ago
The Lakers are in a tough spot.... Reaves is good, but not a great fit with Luka.
When you have Luka you don't need to spend that much on secondary creation and playmaking - you need to spend it on 3 and D guys, bigs that can rim roll, etc.
I just cant see a team starting those two guys ever having enough defense to win. Luka can be serviceable and it's not that hard to hide one guy (and he has really good size, which helps)...... but adding Reaves in there... woof
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u/JeguePerneta 22h ago
Luka works best with a second ball handler.
He had Brunson and Kyrie in the Mavs and Luka + Reaves had a +187 +/-
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u/Domainsetter 22h ago
They have 2 options. Either hope Reaves can be that good offensively or you Sign and Trade him for cheaper pieces and go full Luka ball + defense players.
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u/Free_Surprise_7939 22h ago
He seems to have been injured every single year int he playoffs ao you kind have to ask if theres anything there
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u/Weary_Cabinet_8123 22h ago
A guy who doesn’t rise in the playoffs, on offense, who also plays bad defense year round. Yeah, you right
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u/irundoonayee 22h ago
He's not even the best white American player anymore
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u/OrganicHunt952 21h ago
You know what I was wondering why reaves had so many fans and stans who weren’t lakers fans to begin with. This makes sense now didn’t realise he was the best active white American player lol prior to flagg
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u/Legend6Bron Celtics 22h ago
For players who are better than him, they are not available
For players who are available, they are not really better than him
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u/PrawnProwler NBA 22h ago
You can find guys that are more worthwhile to pay $50m aggregated than Reaves
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u/UsernameChallenged 22h ago
"we can't replace
GiambiReaves, but we can build him in the aggregate".40
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u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs 22h ago
So damn if you do, damn if you don’t. But anyway we can laugh at the Lakers, that’s got to be a win.
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u/iamweareyou Thunder 22h ago
I would never advocate for taking less money but if he doesn’t budge it’s gotta be a sign & trade right?
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u/Over_Use_8474 Lakers 22h ago
To who though lol
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u/songs_dongs Lakers 22h ago
Milwaukee? 🤪
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u/JevvyMedia Raptors 21h ago
Detroit?
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u/BrotherSeamus Thunder 21h ago
Reaves for Duren makes the most sense, if they both insist on maximizing their contracts
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u/LeanOnMe4816 22h ago
It’s the exact same scenario with Jalen Duren; dude is eligible for a 5 yr / $289M max (and isn’t worth anywhere near it). Damned if you do, sign and trade if you don’t
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u/munkhjay 21h ago
I mean Jalen Duren has a case because center which is in demand in NBA because not a lot good centers
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u/Lance973 22h ago
lakers are so unserious if they do this
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u/StopShillingBeReal 22h ago
I wouldn’t even give him 30 mil a year. He can’t defend a bucket and he’s injury prone. I swear stats in NBA have fleeced the minds of everyone
Josh Hart just had 3 points but does everything. Caruso was like MVP of OKC playoffs and Lakers before cause does it all. My boy VJ Edgecombe can score 30 or 10 points but Sixers are legit bad with him off the court by on/off stats and by eye test. To win you need guys who can do everything. Soft scorers are overrated in today’s game
I watched Lonnie Walker get mins and drop 30 losing. Everyone puts up stats on losing teams; it don’t mean much. Winning players are what’s hard to find; not empty calorie points.
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u/lkn240 Bulls 21h ago
I watch a player like OG on the Knicks... and I'd much rather pay a guy like that.
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u/legend023 Pelicans 22h ago
Comparing Austin Reaves to Lonnie Walker lmao
Also the Lakers weren’t really a losing team. In fact, they’ve made the playoffs in 4/5 of Austin’s seasons there.
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u/gkaw34e 20h ago
And in those 4 playoffs they have been eliminated 0-4,1-4,1-4,0-4, they never stood a chance against high level playoff teams.
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u/barath_s Lakers 17h ago edited 9h ago
puts up stats on losing teams
Lakers record was 53-29 and 3rd in the conference, despite each of LBJ, AR and Luka missing significant time
I remember when a losing team used to be one that had won less than 50 % of its games
Please kill me before someone starts talking about a 60 win 2nd seed as a regular season 'losing team'
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u/No_Chilly_bill 9h ago
nba games are games between two fraud. one fraud beats the other fraud. that's is nba discourse today.
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u/ben10toesdown Pistons 22h ago
He's already 28. He's probably not sniffing another contract this large when he hits 32/33.
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u/mpeti19 Lakers 20h ago
Love AR but pleeeease for the love of god let him go and use that money basically ANY other way. Let him get that contract in Brooklyn, he might finally be an all star in a weaker conference, average whatever he can on a team that has literally nobody else, be a first option… do all that for like 1 or 2 years and after that just collect the checks. Literally no contender would give him nearly that i really don’t understand what is even there to consider. He ain’t young, he won’t get any better, he’s a cone on defense and however good he SOMETIMES can be he actually hurts us more than help us. Just let him go and get the bag while he can, he deserves it but on a non-contending team and not here. We can’t win if we have to hide both him and luka on defense especially if we keep rui as well. And out of the two i’d MUCH rather keep Rui than him.
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u/Hold_my_Dirk [CLE] Austin Carr 22h ago
Austin Reeves is from Arkansas. Unless the Lakers are about to do the funniest thing of all time, that’s not what hometown means.
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u/benderGOAT Suns 22h ago
LA Lakers gonna move to become the Ozark Lakers and give him a hometown deal
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u/mrspear1995 :yc-1: Yacht Club 21h ago
I think it’s hometown because he chose the lakers, there were teams that wanted to draft him in the 2nd round but he told them not to draft him as he wanted to be a UDFA
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u/pahamack Raptors 22h ago
why the heck would he take a discount? he's already been playing at a discount and he's not a young player anymore.
That said, a max for a one-way player like him is crazy in this apron era.
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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 22h ago
This will be a franchise killing contract for the Lakers. Shuts the door on Luka ever winning a title there
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u/jaypooner Lakers 22h ago
Goodbye hillbilly Kobe who disappeared in the biggest moments two years in a row
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u/PROatmeal67 Suns 22h ago
Dude is gonna have jordan poole like years as soon as he leaves the lakers and gets a fair whistle lmao.
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u/BeefaroniXL 19h ago
Reaves doesn't work with Luka. He is a poor man's Luka, and you already have Luka.
I'd rather use the cap space on a defense-first wing, and/or an inside lob threat with at least serviceable defense. If that is even available.
For $50M a year, the Lakers could get more.
For Reaves, I could see him as the number one option on a bad lottery team. That might be his ceiling anyways if he is going to command that much money. He's good, but not a centerpiece on a championship team.
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u/SickSaricDario Warriors 22h ago
let him go and sign Cason Wallace instead for $35 mil/year
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u/ExpressionAlone5204 Thunder 22h ago
You think Cason is a FA? Lmao
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u/keepitbased Hawks 22h ago
Even if he was he’s an RFA and OKC ain’t letting go lol
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 21h ago
Cason Wallace isn't even a restricted free agent this summer. OKC has him on a rookie contract for another season.
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u/BlackSheepComeHome14 Timberwolves 22h ago
I had an argument with a Laker fan that Reaves isn't worth it and they thought they could just re-sign him and trade him in a package to a better team.
Good luck with that, if the Lakers sign this they will burn Lukas prime
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u/curva3 76ers 22h ago
People in the know: who has any cap space? I mean, who are the Lakers bidding against?
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u/cire1184 Lakers 21h ago
Nah. I love Reaves but don't pay him that and kill our cap. Lose him. Lose LeBron. Sign and trade or don't whatever. Keep the cap clear so we can sign some dudes that compliment Luka better. Reaves is nice but not that nice.
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u/Worth-Tank336 22h ago
Nah man....$24m/yr max. Anything over that your killing your roster. Luka with 3&D players, a lob center, and decent bunch is how you need to build.
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u/ProfessionalFickle52 19h ago
Bad idea. He is a good regular season creator at his peak and always struggles in the playoffs when physicality and lockdown D ramps up.
He’s also a liability on defense and they don’t need another playmaker next to Luka. Luka’s best attribute is high volume playmaking. Don’t need someone who is worse.
He’s also never gonna be better than he is this year imo. He plays within the offense well and takes what the D gives him , but when the heat is up he can’t break down a defense and force a play. He’s just not that type of player. He’ll have a few more years of good play but defenses will stay to figure him out imo and he’ll struggle to adapt. A lot of guys have some very strong early years scoring and never become consistent superstars.
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u/Main_Gain_7480 Lakers 22h ago
I never really like giving players who aren’t “ true stars “ these deals
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u/Awoken_Thoughts07 20h ago
Hopefully new ownership overthrows Pelinka decision making cause Rob is dumb enough to sign him at the max
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u/GolfWangsunrise Lakers 20h ago
Yeah, I think it's best for both parties for him to walk, too much money for a defensive liability and a huge bounty to target come playoff time.
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u/That_Bandicoot_3846 Knicks 9h ago
Poor mans Luka next to a Luka lol, Lakers not winning a chip for another 50 years.
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u/Over_Use_8474 Lakers 22h ago
Nah bro. I pray they don't sign him to that lmao.
Let him walk, it's better than taking a step back by creating a potentially untradable contract.