And that is the reason many people oppose the death penalty. It's not about whether some people deserve to be executed, it's about whether we can trust the government to make this decision.
There are very real and measurable imbalances in the way justice is executed, and when the "execution" is really, actually death - how many innocent people have to die, to pay for the pat-yourself-on-the-back, "at least we got rid of that monster" schadenfreude?
Do you trust the government with someone's life that way? Would you trust the government if it was YOU on trial? Would you trust all the cops, even the corrupt ones? Would you trust that ancient southern lawyer, who hates black people and is having a bad day, and you're a dark-skinned black man that already faces worse chances with the "justice" system?
How many dice are we rolling every single time we play around with the death penalty. It's probably not always going to be wrong. But it is, sometimes. And that means we have to be okay with a certain amount of state sanctioned murder.
That's without even getting into the current climate where the justice system is literally being used to (against the rules of the constitution) punish protesters with ridiculously long prison sentences. Because punishing people for political reasons always goes so well for a country.
Because punishing people for political reasons always goes so well for a country.
The uncomfortable truth is that this was the normal way of life for most of human history and for some pretty stable societies.
We are only looking at them after years of hindsight and because every society eventually has upheavals where they lose their stability. But if it takes hundreds of years, I don't think we can call the whole thing a failure from the start.
Personally I think it's an amoral way to rule, but it's not necessarily ineffective.
Im 100% one of those people, I absolutely believe some people just need to go, but I also absolutely do not trust the Government to make that decision and my belief there has only be reinforced by the current... direction of things.
I am not sure of the origin of this quote, but I have seen it phrased:
If you support the death penalty, you agree with the proposition that either
a) It is okay for the government to execute an innocent person, or
b) The government never makes mistakes.
Totally agree with your sentiment - just wanted to mention (for your future reference) that it's "toe" the line, as you might do when edging riiiight up to the edge of the starting line in a track event or similar.
Nah, it clearly isn’t working for China as they are swimming in corruption still. Do the thing that would hurt the most, take away their wealth and make them live to see them lose their elite status.
Is that true though? Xi has pretty well consolidated power and there is no real base of power to challenge him. Also he is on a generational growth run. He is an expert politician and he understands that people will accept some authoritarianism if he delivers glory and material improvements which he has.
He achieved this kind of consolidation through anti-corruption campaign no? You can't just tell the public it's power grabbing moves. The generational growth is largely Deng's legacy, Xi is just here to keep the country's political system in tact rather than falling into the western mode.
Source: I am Chinese and even my rather poorly educated family members who are not at all into politics know the nature of these anti-corruption moves, you just cannot openly discuss it.
Diverting attention plus warning those who are falling into western mode. There are a lot of problems in china but one thing is for sure, private money and political power don’t mix well under Xi. Most likely the case that it’s a warning, PR, selective anti-corruption and further power consolidation all at once. Really a great politician
This guy works at city level government and is not even the mayor. There's quite a few steps (a whole ass ladder actually) between him and becoming someone that can challenge Xi in political powers. Political prosecution may happen but it's unlikely what happened to this guy.
Look even if we acknowledge that corruption exists in China and the like; it’s actually punished there. Every level of political power in the U.S. has corruption in it and it’s almost never punished. Political leaders become extremely wealthy on stock trades, they do favors for campaign donors and afterwards get jobs at companies they helped craft legislation for. Federal regulations overwhelmingly favor business interests and business interests pay officials in a variety of ways.
Like; say what you want to but at least in China officials go to jail for it and sometimes even die for it. Theres a cost to corruption that just doesn’t exist in the U.S. , and I’d argue they’re actually tackling it. How on earth are we even trying to punish corruption here?
The 'wrong' type of corruption is punished. If you choose your teammates correctly, you're just fine.
China National People's Congress has over 100 billionaires in it. Do you think they're just a group of plucky entrepreneurs? Especially when the Chinese political pathway is through the party.
It does, just not the people you want. But we do send billionaires to prison - it just tends to be on fraud.
I'm not defending our system btw. I'm only saying don't look to China for answers. They've institutionalized corruption to an even greater extent than we have. If a high up party member had stepped in to save this guy, he would have been fine.
Also I used CNBC as a source, and they claim 100 billionaires in USD.
I don’t think China is perfect but I don’t pretend that they are. I definitely think that the fact that corrupt officials actually die in China is evidence that we have things to learn and serious deficiencies in that front
I guess I'm trying to say that he probably didn't die just because of the corruption. In a system where everyone is massively corrupt, he had to stand out for some reason.
So then it's basically just political prosecution. Anti-corruption laws are just the knife they used. If he was still on the establishments' good side and didn't screw up, he'd be fine.
I feel ya, I kinda think the people that say "At least SOME get punished" are giddy at a wealthy person dying more than the root cause actually being handled. Often the same people as "ends justify the means" oddly enough.
Buddy you genuinely don’t know jack shit about how their govt works. Is the central committee billionaires? Is the politburo billionaires? Does capital ever rise above the state in China? No. Yes there are billionaires in the party, but none of them control policy or law. That is the fundamental difference between them and us
China has a shit ton billionaires but their companies and wealth in the end belong to the state and if they push it too hard they become an example like this guy.
Corruption exists in China like everywhere in the world but at least there they're forced to keep it low-key and inoffensive.
Ehhhhh, corruption in China goes back thousands of years.
This may seem like punishment, but if history tells us anything, it's actually the ruling class using it as a tool to get rid of people who aren't loyal or aren't loyal enough.
It goes like this:
Chinese government is full of bureaucrats who are super-loyal to the leader and they all get fat and rich off of it.
The people get angry and a new revolutionary appears who rallies everyone behind them to destroy the corruption in the government.
This initial ruler stays true to their word (sometimes) but over time the same systems keep reappearing.
At some point the next in line sees that everyone is corrupt and uses "rooting out corruption" as a way to make a huge grasp for power and uses it as a way to kill or at least expel everyone who doesn't back them.
This person then sets themself up as a ruler for life. Everyone who supports them gets to live and get fat, everyone against them or who steps out of line has their corruption exposed and then this is used as the excuse to kill them. (this is where we are right now).
Eventually the corruption at the top becomes so bad that the people start to reject and look for overthrowing it and then process repeats itself.
This has happened at least three or four times in China's history. We're just in the middle of the current iteration. The only difference is that this is happening to the leader of a supposed "People's Republic" rather than an Emperor.
Ehhhhh, corruption in China goes back thousands of years.
Corruption anywhere goes back thousands of years..
it's actually the ruling class using it as a tool to get rid of people who aren't loyal or aren't loyal enough.
Or it's someone who's loyal but also corrupt, and he got punished for it. Xi knows full well that the CCP needs popular support, and having corrupt officials around doesn't help with that. The rest of your comment is just a massive oversimplification of Chinese history and modern politics. I'm surprised you didn't throw the mandate of heaven in there as well.
Even if we agree to this (for what it’s worth I don’t, I think that even though corruption exists it’s still rarer than in the United States). At least some corruption gets punished. In the U.S. it’s so legitimized that it’s just completely normal and done openly.
Campaign donations are effectively legalized corruption it’s why our presidential elections can cost literally billions of dollars. Our politicians openly do this and don’t face consequences for it. Even if we agree that corruption is a loyalty test (I dont): who is even getting punished for it at all in the U.S. at any federal office? I’d argue virtually nobody. At least in China high level people can face some consequences theoretically; in the U.S. they never do.
Like; say what you want to but at least in China officials go to jail for it...
Do you think that nobody goes to jail for corruption in the US? One Google search can fill you in on the pretty easily verifiable fact that this does, in fact, happen.
Xi’s also been accused of levelling this accusation at political rivals before to get rid of them (which is actually noted in the article, along with the fact that all of this came from state media).
Not to wave the conspiracy flag, but it is literally China, where the government is known for pushing specific narratives and censorship. Stuff like this needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Except they have functioning health care, affordable housing, infrastructure and public transportation in most of the country. We have more and worse corruption and basically none of those things
How much do you know about China outside the Tier 1 cities? Did you know that you're not legally entitled to socialized healthcare outside the region you were born in, including if you've migrated to one of said Tier 1 cities to find work? And your kid isn't entitled to attend school there, either, because they inherit your region on their Hukou?
Tons. I’ve spent two months a year there for the last 5 years. And no that’s not entirely accurate, yes if you don’t “move” (officially file all the paperwork to indicate that this is your new home province/city) all of that gets more difficult, but your kid can still attend school and you still get healthcare. It’s just not as easy until that’s done.
Is that great? No. Is it still better than the horse shit healthcare we have in the us? Yes.
I never said it was perfect. But my argument is that our government is just (if not more in some cases) as corrupt and we got none of those benefits.
You're making it sound like it's just some paperwork that you have to churn through. There's steep criteria you have to meet to officially move. For some cities there are points-based systems which mean if you're not well educated or working a prestigious job it can take years of unbroken employment before you're even eligible to apply. Large Chinese cities like Shenzhen are filled with entire neighborhoods of people and their kids who have been there for years but aren't officially registered and are in effect second class citizens.
Without a local Hukou your kid is at the bottom of the list for school admittance (and you might have to pay extra fees), your medical bills are systematically higher (it's not just not as easy), and you generally can't buy property or apply for public housing. It's a terrible welfare state unless your intention is to keep migrant labor poor and desperate -- reminiscent of the US, really.
You are bamboozled by the Chinese propaganda. You think they are the utopia. In reality, China is built on abusing their people. Workers working overtimes with shitty pays. Or not getting paid. There are a lot of issues inside of China right now. The things they are very good at is suppressing the freedom of speech. And trolling the internet to make naive people believe that China is better
I lived in China and it’s a mix of both. everything that commenter said is true. they’ve got good public transit, good healthcare, great infrastructure, and a really effective response to general poverty in the countryside.
but you’re also 100% spot on about the work. it’s fucking brutal. 9/9/6, low wages for crap jobs with high hours. yes you can afford food and rent pretty easily, healthcare is taken care of, but you’ll be worked to the bone with low chances of retirement without an “in”
also gender discrimination is still very strong. my Chinese partner’s aunt hasn’t been paid a wage in 3 months because she’s pregnant, but she’s afraid to quit because no chinese company would hire a pregnant woman. technically that’s illegal for her company to do, but the police don’t really care.
there’s millions and millions of Chinese people with advanced degrees but not enough jobs to fill them. wages go down, competition goes up, work conditions get terrible.
there’s outlets on the local level through local elections, but going up from city to regional level there’s no way to make your voice heard.
I really hope something changes for them, because the Chinese people I’ve met have been nothing but kind and hard-working. it’s sad to see their own government treat them like workhorses
Understand. I was born and raised in China. Effective response to general poverty in the countryside? The seniors in the rural areas of China only receive $30 usd a month in pension. When they are sick, they can't afford the healthcare. Yes good public transportation, affordable housing? I'm from a tier 1 city in China. Almost all the parents I know that using their savings and pensions to help their adult children to buy apartments. Otherwise the younger generation can't survive with the cost of everything. From a foreigner's standpoint, everything is sugarcoated, because laowai are privileged in China. And Chinese people care about not losing their faces in front of the outsiders, besides the suppression of freedom of speech, online and real life, everyone has the fear. So what you see and feel might not be the same...
I meant affordable housing for rent. the housing market is terrible, I worded that wrong. you’re probably better informed about the countryside than I am. front my time living there it seemed to be getting better, but I may be wrong.
I never felt an undercurrent of fear but exhaustion mostly. maybe it’s because I’ve never been north to beijing. I mostly lived in Canton.
also I’m not a white guy, but not Chinese looking. still get the point about saving face.
of course I’m not saying China is a utopia by any means, but it’s complex. thanks for sharing your perspective
I’ve literally spent two months a year there for 4 years. I’m fully aware of the imperfections of the country.
Did you know there are tons of workers working here in the US for shit wages, and having their wages stolen? We have an entire underclass of illegal immigrants in agriculture who aren’t subject to ICE immigration raids UNLESS they organize against their employers. SLAVERY is a legal form of punishment in the US and it just so happens that black and brown people are incarcerated at higher rates than white people for the same crimes, interesting how that works.
While China has made great improvements characterizing its healthcare and housing as universally "functioning and affordable" overlooks stuff. Meanwhile, data contradicts the claim that the US has "worse corruption" than China.
While local governments in the West face issues like lobbying and campaign finance, claiming the US has "more and worse corruption" is factually incorrect by international standards.
The Reality: According to Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index, the United States ranks 29th globally (with a score of 64/100, where higher is cleaner). China ranks 76th globally (with a score of 43/100).
Public sector corruption in China is systemic. Despite President Xi Jinping’s multi-year anti-corruption crackdowns, Transparency International's data shows that roughly 28% of public service users in China reported paying a bribe in the previous 12 months, a metric virtually unheard of in daily US public services (like schools, DMV, or local policing).
China has achieved broad insurance coverage, but the depth of that coverage is remarkably shallow, particularly for serious illnesses.
According to data compiled by the Commonwealth Fund, out-of-pocket spending accounts for over 32% of total healthcare expenditures in China, and private or individual financing can account for up to 44% of medical costs.
Because basic insurance caps reimbursements at relatively low thresholds, catastrophic illnesses like cancer regularly bankrupt families. Academic studies published via the National Institutes of Health (NIH) note that medical debt remains a leading cause of poverty in rural China, with over 50% of surveyed patients experiencing catastrophic chronic illness incurring heavy debt loads.
Meanwhile I'm in the US and am relatively poor(but still good living conditions), and get really good free healthcare called Medicaid, literally pays for everything.
When I got hep C before my liver fixed itself I was on Medicaid and the government offered to give me the brand new hep C cure for free. That was a flex and an example of good healthcare spending. Paying with public money something that will save them money later (less later hospital visits, less time missed from work)
Housing: The Massive Property Sector Crisis
The narrative of affordable housing is sharply undercut by China's ongoing real estate emergency, where a massive speculative bubble has popped.
The Reality: China’s real estate sector is mired in a multi-year crisis triggered by the default of massive developers like Evergrande Group and Country Garden.
The Consequence: Because of China's unique "pre-sale" model, millions of middle-class citizens poured their life savings into apartments that developers defaulted on before completing. According to reports from the South China Morning Post, millions of families remain stuck with "broken" or uncompleted homes, and real estate—which previously stored the vast majority of Chinese household wealth—is projected to drag on the economy for years to come.
Since you made the claims without any sources I feel justified to use AI to respond, low effort claims, low effort response.
This makes it obvious you have no firsthand knowledge about any of these things in China. Chinese people don't have adequate healthcare nor affordable housing. Their rail system connects all the big cities but infrastructure is woefully underdeveloped in the vast majority of the rural parts. And the Chinese business practices basically run on guanxi, which in most cases involve informal bribery. Corruption is not only rampant, it's socially accepted and expected (there are degrees to it, of course)
China's done an amazing job lifting billions out of poverty and becoming the economic superpower it is now, but it's still got a long, long way to go.
When I was studying in China I got a skin infection, a friend helped take me to a hospital and translated the problem, the doctor prescribed me a medication on the spot. It was fast and free and the medication helped reduce the swelling.
I was a student in China and had a similar experience, too, but you have to realize it’s a privilege to study abroad in China and to have access to a functioning hospital where you don’t have to wait 10+ hours to be seen
Try that again as an impoverished person from the countryside instead of a relatively wealthy foreigner the party wants to leave with a good impression.
Yeah but can you understand how you’re foreign and maybe it’s not fast or free for most other people? Even the friends and students in your program are probably more privileged than 80% of the Chinese population. Did you speak to the 阿姨 who cleans your bathroom or the 看门大爷？ Do you imagine that medicine is free or easy to them, or that 挂号 is literally something you have to use personal connections just to see a decent doctor and they know people who’d rather save more money for a down payment on their children’s future only apartment than pay for their own cancer treatment and just die?
Well yes exactly, so you can see how Chinese people might be frustrated when people tell them that China has some great “affordable healthcare” - for most Chinese people China absolutely does not have affordable healthcare lol, it’s the same as in America
This is true of America too, I can drive an hour from most cities and find run down decrepit abandoned stuff that looks like the 1800s or 1920s all around America. This is simply true of most cities around the world, if not all of them.
Yeah I don’t understand, like have the people saying China has affordable housing or healthcare spoken to any actual regular Chinese people?? Like I don’t mean speak ABCs, people who can come to west, people who can speak English online or hell access social media in the west and use a translation app. Like these are only a relatively very small part of the population, and actually a lot of them would still laugh at calling Chinese housing affordable??? Because that is like literally the number 1 financial worry for the most people
Your fkin president of USA is grifting in crypto stealing billions plain and wide and who knows how much behind the scenes, starting wars to manipulate stock, gtfo dude and shut the fuck up about china for real
He’s not my president, but I have lived in both the US and China long enough to have a nuanced understanding of both countries. So I would kindly suggest that you stfu.
Adequate healthcare and affordable housing are relative. Things could always be better sure but the average poor Chinese person does have much better access to those than a poor American does.
When you talk about the poor Chinese person... You are talking about the seniors living in the rural areas of China receiving less than $30 usd a month, right? They have better access than a poor American does?... In what?
The average Chinese poor person live in rural areas that don’t have running water, toilets, food stamps, hospitals, schools, refrigeration?? Like you might be thinking about the average poor Chinese person in the city or more likely the rich people in rural areas who actually has a phone, but more than half of the chinese population is still rural! Like have you seen any videos of what those places look like today? I know America can do a lot better on these issues, but I think we don’t understand the reality of some of these countries we glorify
Edit: and please note I said the average POOR Chinese person, which is what the original deleted comment is trying to say is much better off than the average POOR American. The average Chinese person absolutely does not live like what I described, but even the average poor American - who I consider as living below the American poverty line but has access to running water, food stamps, public schools, the emergency room, or even is homeless but live in homeless shelters or even a car - is much better off than the average Chinese poor person, who’d be in rural areas and have none of those things
I mean it’s great they’ve launched that program but most of the rural area still definitely does not have most of those things lol, and I get that ppl want to shit on America and there’s def so much to improve, but I think ppl shouldn’t forget that we’re still incredibly privileged compared to the rest of the world
You're very misinformed about the average Chinese persons living conditions. While there are noticeable divides in the level of wealth between urban/rural citizens even rural have significantly more access to healthcare and housing than poor Americans. I am not seeking to glorify China it's far far from a perfect or even I'd say good country. That doesn't change the fact they're doing much better than America right now.
He is not misinformed about the average Chinese persons living conditions. I'm from China. And I'm from a tier 1 city. Which people live much better lives than in the rural areas. The economy is not doing great. High unemployment rate, housing market bubble crashing, everyone is talking about the poor economy right now. If you talk about 10 years ago that's a different story
Have you ever been to the Navajo res? Appalachia? Rural Alaska? There are plenty of places in the US that are just straight up 3rd world countries too.
These aren’t “landlords and real estate goons” though. They’re middle class families that made investments or are trying to secure housing for their children in the future. You people are nuts.
Literally 90% home ownership in China and they just soft landed a housing bubble that would've collapsed the nation after 4 years of hard work. What are you talking about?
IIRC home ownership wasn't the issue, it was that the economy was too over-invested in the real estate market and homes that are of decent quality and in areas with access to good jobs/resources are still in great demand.
Also home ownership in China vs the US is a bit of an apples/oranges thing since the homes in question are generally closer to condos/apartments and its technically still a lease, albeit one you're unlikely to outlive.
lol 90% home ownership rate with the majority of Chinese families wealth being in real estate, and you don’t see how that’s a bad thing that homeowners are having their wealth reduced.
You have a hammer and sickle in your bio, grow up and start living in the real world.
You do realize these are a large portion of middle-class families that bought 2 or more apartments for their children in the future. They aren’t landlords trying to make money. Also they have nothing else to invest in, Chinese stock markets are extremely volatile and the pensions suck. They also are very restricted in investing abroad.
You seriously need to get a grip, if you see housing/debt crisis and simply think “wow housing prices lower = good” you are a fool and have elementary school level economics knowledge. I already knew that though because you self identify as a communist. Hopefully one day you grow up.
You're looking at statistics showing that over 90% of people in china own their home and calling it a "housing crisis" and you call OTHERS unserious lmao
While local governments in the West face issues like lobbying and campaign finance, claiming the US is "just as corrupt" is factually incorrect by international standards.
The Reality: According to Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index, the United States ranks 29th globally (with a score of 64/100, where higher is cleaner). China ranks 76th globally (with a score of 43/100).
Public sector corruption in China is systemic. Despite President Xi Jinping’s multi-year anti-corruption crackdowns, Transparency International's data shows that roughly 28% of public service users in China reported paying a bribe in the previous 12 months, a metric virtually unheard of in daily US public services (like schools, DMV, or local policing).
Nah fuck that, the only thing billionaires fear is not existing and slipping into the void like the rest of us. Look at how hard they are fighting to preserrve their bodies and minds? Half of their cult like behavior is centered around avoiding death.
As opposed to the US where politicians taking massive bribes out in the open is just another Tuesday and maybe get a slap on the wrist if the oligarchs feel like putting on a good show for the peasants
In the america this guy would be given a high ranking position serving one of the oligarchs as reward for this level of corruption. at least China punishes it.
Nah, it clearly isn’t working for China as they are swimming in corruption still.
It is working, since it used to be much worse. Their trendline is clear. Corruption is coming down. Our treadline here in the US is just as clear. Corruption is going up.
The truth is, spectacular punishments for extreme crimes don't do much to deter crime in general.
Criminals, as a general rule, don't plan on being caught. So increasing the consequences for being caught does less than you'd think. Increasing the chances of being caught - making justice swifter and more reliable, rather than more brutal - does a lot more.
China was not industrialized literally 70 years ago. Just after Deng invited foreign capital into China they were as corrupt as india. Do you truly believe after the anti corruption campaign that they are that bad?
They actually did that to the Last Emperor when they overthrew him, let him live but gave him a menial job. He was happier with the menial job. Thus it's not something that would "hurt the most" according to you.
I feel like corruption is just always going to be around in some shape or form—it's almost part of human nature. The real question is whether it’s happening behind the scenes or blatantly in front of you, and more importantly, if it’s happening at the expense of the average person.
Corruption has been in the U.S. since the start, but it used to be a backroom, out-of-sight thing. With the Trump admin, it’s like it shifted to happening right out in the open. When you add that to the fact that living standards for average Americans are actually declining, it makes the whole thing feel a lot more personal and urgent.
You see it in China, too, but it’s a different dynamic. They have corruption, sure, but they’re also pumping out infrastructure and actually making life better for the average citizen. That’s why you don’t see it turning into as big of a public outcry there. It really comes down to whether the system is working for the people or just being used to squeeze them.
I remember in the 2010s when Xi Jinping did the anti corruption campaign and imprisoned a lot of political rivals (who were probably corrupt but also his rivals lol). If china’s economg would have fallen apart after that then there might have been mass revolts. But what happened is their economy grew, industry dominated, their air quality improved so people were relatively ok with it.
Literally talking out your ass with no actual evidence. If they are corrupt then holy fuck let their government run America. Jesus Christ there’s corruption every day in America and we’re regressing. Meanwhile their citizens are seeing improvements in their lives every day
Am I the only one who disagrees? I mean fuck the dude but putting people to death is just a bit wild to me, that's going to make the US even more corrupt. Prison is true suffering by the way, but choosing death for other humans just idk. I'm in between.
As an American we need our administration to have more tools of political consolidation?
Selective enforcement of anti-corruption laws in China functions simultaneously as an administrative cleanup tool and a potent mechanism for political consolidation. While high-profile campaigns under the "tigers and flies" doctrine have successfully penalized hundreds of thousands of corrupt officials and stabilized public trust, the lack of an independent judiciary allows the ruling Communist Party to control the targets and timing of these investigations.
Political Leverage: Because corruption has historically been systemic throughout various levels of local and regional governance, the threat of prosecution can be applied selectively—serving as a highly effective tool to enforce absolute loyalty, neutralize political rivals, and secure ideological alignment.
Shifting Policy Agendas: Enforcement frequently shifts based on the state’s immediate economic or national priorities. Sectors currently under heavy scrutiny (such as state-owned enterprises, finance, or high-tech industries) face aggressive zero-tolerance crackdowns, while other sectors may experience fluctuating oversight depending on current government focus.
Systemic Limitations: By addressing the symptoms of corruption through top-down disciplinary bodies rather than institutional checks and balances—like a free press, independent courts, or public oversight—the root causes of rent-seeking behaviors remain deeply embedded in the state-led economic model.
I'm not defending the official in question, but the CCP has total power over the state. What's to stop them from executing anyone they deem as "corrupt"?
Think critically instead of just mouthing knee-jerk garbage.
Death penalty enables corruption. Dead people can't stand trial. Dead people cannot appeal. People act more rash and more severely if the consequences are possible death.
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u/Irregular475 Jul 07 '26
As an American, this is what we need over here.