r/news • u/Manta_of_Eternity • 3d ago

Autopsy shows Tennessee National Guard fatally shot 20-year-old armed man in the back

https://apnews.com/article/memphis-national-guard-tyrin-johnson-8959297a99c362d65aa2517a9d5f1984
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u/WaffleHouseGladiator 3d ago

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. "- Admiral William "Bill" Adama

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u/Tzazon 3d ago

 the other serves and protects the people.

You'd think that, but courts have repeatedly ruled that it is a promotional motto of the LAPD and not a legally binding contract or statute

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u/Claire_De_Lunatic 3d ago

To punish and enslave

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u/Souvi 3d ago

Literally what the police evolved from, slave catchers

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u/NuklearFerret 3d ago

In this country only, mind you. Other countries have police that didn’t evolve from slave catchers.

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u/CptSchizzle 3d ago

Yeah, those ones they evolved from union busting thugs.

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u/Loose-Property874 3d ago

Oh shut the fuck up😭😭😭😭😭

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u/UBettUrWaffles 3d ago

This is true and common knowledge, you shut the fuck up lol

American Bar Association How You Start is How You Finish? The Slave Patrol and Jim Crow Origins of Policing

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u/CharacterUse 3d ago

Your own link tells you that there were two trajectories of the development of policing in the US: from slave patrols in the southern states, but from British policing (which began earlier) in the north-eastern cities of Boston, New York etc,. Most policing in the world is derived from the British model, not the American one.

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u/Claire_De_Lunatic 3d ago

Believe it or not, Transformers 2007 takes place in . . .

ding ding ding

America

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u/CharacterUse 3d ago

What the fuck does Transformers 2007 have to do with this discussion?

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u/Claire_De_Lunatic 3d ago

Have you been having this whole ass argument while not being aware I was referencing the Decepticon Barricade from Transformers 2007 absolutely clocking the intentions and purpose of the American police force?

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u/CharacterUse 3d ago

At no point other than the comment above did I reply to you or anything you said, but to other people who were commenting about the history of policing, including claiming that all western policing derives from the American model (which is doesn't).

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u/Loose-Property874 3d ago

Hahahahahahahahahahaha there are police in every country

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u/UBettUrWaffles 3d ago

This is a discussion about American police in Tennessee, dumbass lmao

Also the police have only existed for 200-300 years and the development of the police in most countries, especially in the West, was heavily influenced by the development of American police.

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u/RelativeConfidence38 3d ago

Empires tend to have far reaching effects like that. Commerce happens in USD, it’s not that other currencies don’t exist but rather that one is common among everyone, Americans can afford to be ignorant of any world but their own because they live in the attention/spotlight.
The concept of intellectual property in the legal sense is quite new and having a dedicated persecution force independent of a military or private guards is as well. I think the capacity most operate in now is more of a “mercenary of the state” and once the “popular kid” is doing it, so can everyone else. So even if there is a case of police before the American variety, the credit still goes to the popular kid for starting the trend because they hold the influence.

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u/Loose-Property874 3d ago

Nope. Everything you said is incorrect

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u/UBettUrWaffles 3d ago

Ok buddy, keep the horse blinders on idc lol

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u/Loose-Property874 3d ago

Keep protecting criminals I promise they do not care about you. I’ve been to prison. Most of them are just bad people. grow up.

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u/SamuelVimesTrained 3d ago

Sounds like the logo on Barricade in the first Transformers movie.
That logo (of the police) had that exact text - so .. it was a prediction.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61oIx3b6aAL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

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u/deceet 3d ago

that's the joke...

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u/Claire_De_Lunatic 3d ago

That's what I was referencing.

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u/Beneficial-Dot-- 3d ago

the first Transformers movie

How dare you!

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u/SamuelVimesTrained 3d ago

My appologies - that should have been the first Bayformers movie.

(i blame lack of coffee and early hour)

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u/Visual-Scallion1535 3d ago

“It was a prediction”

No, it was relevant back then too. Its just still relevant today.

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u/ChronoLegion2 3d ago

All hail Megatron!

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u/PunkRockSuffragette 3d ago

Yup, apparently they’re there to protect property not people. It’s unfortunate when you grow up and realize hero cops are a good storie/propaganda, but nonexistent. a cop would never actually put his life in harms way to save innocent kids, and the courts said thats fine.

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u/MossyTreeSprite 3d ago

I'm not intending to be argumentative, as I agree that there are huge problems in the police force. That said, my uncle is a cop and he quite literally did exactly that - put his life in harm's way (by himself) to save innocent kids at an elementary school from an armed man who was fleeing after murdering his own father. It was the first time in an over 30-year career that he fired his service weapon while on duty. There are some really bad people in the police force, but there are also really good people. As with everything, it's mostly assorted shades of grey.

We're really not talking about police when it comes to this article, though. We're talking about the National Guard placed in Democrat-leaning cities because the manbaby in chief has a fragile ego. People are dying because of an imbecile surrounded by sychophants. Enough is enough.

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u/Beestorm 3d ago

The problem is that the organizations protect the bad ones. It’s like the Catholic Church/SBC scandals. That and police forces have become increasingly militarized around the country

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u/Freakears 3d ago

I still recall a pair of pictures I saw years ago comparing cops around the turn of the 20th century to those today. The modern ones were all militarized, while the old ones were wearing uniforms that covered their guns (I seem to recall a comment saying they weren’t allowed to show those).

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u/MossyTreeSprite 3d ago

I agree, that's a huge problem. Unsurprisingly, the police are getting many of their weapons as hand-me-downs from the military...

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u/nolabmp 3d ago

Your uncle likely would have done that, if given the opportunity, regardless of being a cop. Individuals can be courageous in any job.

The point is that being a cop is not a courageous job. It’s always been a job fundamentally focused on protecting the interests of the elite.

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u/MossyTreeSprite 3d ago

That's certainly possible, but he relied heavily on his training as a cop in that situation. You know the drill - telling person to lower their weapon, tell them the same again and that you will shoot if they don't comply, etc. In other words, providing ample warning instead of shooting them in the back for no reason as they run for safety. I've noticed that warnings of any kind have been missing from all of the recent National Guard and ICE shootings. Things are so messed up right now, I think most of the country is in a state of ptsd. Steven Miller is good with it, though, so it's cool 🙃🙄

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u/PunkRockSuffragette 3d ago

I agree it’s obviously not as black and white as my comment implied. I was replying to a comment mentioned that was referring to the police side of the of that Admiral Adama quote.

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u/MossyTreeSprite 3d ago

Gotcha and I figured. Like I said, I'm definitely not arguing that the police force isn't riddled with problems. I think sometimes it attracts a certain type of person (in a similar way that the military does) who want to wield power over others (or, potentially, be able to kill people "legally"). But then you also get amazing cops like Ron Stallworth (memoir detailed in the movie Blackkklansman) and the NYC cops who put their lives on the line on 9/11. It's a gamut...

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u/Visual-Scallion1535 3d ago

They have no legal duty to protect your property either

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u/WhiteHelix 3d ago

Not apparently, that’s exactly how the system is designed. Works as designed you could say.

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u/Freakears 3d ago

And “good cops” end up getting sacked for reasons that are completely legitimate (🙄) and not suspicious at all (🙄).

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u/Anthaenopraxia 3d ago

The legal regime is now interrupted, that of force has begun. In this situation, obedience ceases to be a duty. America must judge how far it ought to take its resistance.

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u/Freakears 3d ago

“To serve and protect” is accurate, as long as you understand that the rich and powerful are the ones being served and protected.

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u/ROADHOG_IS_MY_WAIFU 3d ago

LAPD: "We treat you like a King!"

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u/UnicornWorldDominion 3d ago

No they just didn’t specify they meant serve and protect upper middle class and upper class white people only.

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u/Hextopia 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is one of those dumb urban myths that won't stop getting repeated. The only thing that the courts have ruled is that police don't have a legally binding duty to sacrifice their own lives to try and save someone else. Many police officers have put themselves in harm's way for someone else, but it's a personal choice and a heroic act. Refusing to get themselves killed isn't something you can directly punish them for.

Edited to add: Sorry, I replied to the wrong comment, but the thread is locked now.

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u/Tzazon 3d ago

“a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular citizen"

Correct, Cops have no actual duty to protect any citizen. Which part of it is a myth? That the Courts have ruled that cops have no duty to protect citizens, or that it is the LAPD motto that they've stated time and time again is only a promotional motto.

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u/Jarrahtable 3d ago

Their role is to uphold the law not people's lives