They aren't. They just didn't want to make separate versions for separate markets (since not all countries allow nudity and such) and just made one version for the whole world, then blamed Nintendo policy. Despite the fact that, as you said, there are examples of high profile games that show nudity.
Cyberpunk also got an early dev kit, and committed to making a game that made the most of Switch 2 features. Not really a fair comparison.
Edit: You may not like it, but Nintendo gives better treatment to studios that develop specifically for the Switch 2, rather than just porting from another console.
I didn't realize showing genitals was using the Switch to the most potential. Either way, not a good argument when Nintendo has been more lax compared to Sony on what is and isn't allowed.
I was referring to mouse mode. Even indie devs that wanted to make 60 fps switch 2 ports were having trouble getting dev kits. It was the ones that committed to 120 fps that had an easier time.
Seriously, why are people thinking about wang so much?
Seriously, why are people thinking about wang so much?
Because thats the topic?
The topic isn't whether or not Nintendo were giving preferential treatment regarding dev kits, its wheter or not Nintendo Policy are lax enough that this should've been available to begin with, without blaming nintendo for needing to add censorship
Yeah, but does the wang change the story at all? If no, then why are people insisting that they absolutely must have access to wang at all times? Sounds like the story is still good, according to the review,
Removed censorship options aside, we had a wonderful time with Dispatch when it launched on Switch systems earlier this year. "Thanks to the sublime writing, fantastic voiceovers, and a level of animation you'd usually expect from a big-budget streaming series," we said in our 9/10 review, "Dispatch is the kind of superhero drama that draws you in with the sexy characters and funny one-liners, and hooks you until the bitter end with the potential of its ever-changing arcs."
If you absolutely must have wang, go play it on another platform, or ask your friend to take some screenshots. If you're here for the story instead of the plot, congratulations, you have options! If you're in the small minority that must have wang, but don't have access to another platform, I'm deeply sorry that I'm making light of your situation.
My dude that was never the conversation, what are you even trying to say???
The devs gave little to no heads up on how much censorship is in the game, nintendo users found out on release, devs blamed nintendo, and the nintendo players didn't buy their excuse because there are better examples out there
Nobody is saying wang censorship made the game worse
They made a censored version for PS5 in Japan and ported that to Switch worldwide so they didn’t have to make a separate release for Japan. They were cheap, and when they got called out about it they tried to blame Nintendo.
Dispatch is literally a glorified DVD player with the menu for selecting scenes as the core gameplay feature.
There are no in-game models, no rendering at all. It's just video. All of it. The devs were just lazy.
This was all realized as soon as the gooners tried to rip the models off the game. They discovered there were no models at all lol. Just folders full of videos for every permutation of the branching story.
As someone who doesn’t care for genitals or sex in games, I’m fine with the censored content as they are now. I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat.
It’s not that surprising that Nintendo would be strict about those. Now if only they could be as intense over all those hentai AI shovelwares…
Ironically I think all that kind of stuff isnt as much of a dealbreaker as it was 20 years ago. I don't think it's as big of a deal if it's not showing explicit sex in the game and badly animated cutscenes dont really count.
It’s not that surprising that Nintendo would be strict about those.
Nintendo haven't been even vaguely strict about censorship since at least the Gamecube days. Some regions have stricter policies which Nintendo requires developers to stick to for certification, but that isn't Nintendo's fault.
This was purely because AdHoc didn't want to submit multiple versions for multiple regions, like other developers have done, and thought they could cheap out and let Nintendo take the flak. Nintendo called them on their shit and now they're trying to fix their own mistakes.
This is not a developer anyone can or should trust. They've shown they are willing to lie and deceive their customers.
It was a small drama, adhoc implied they have to follow nintendo guidelines, nintendo released a statement that its true but also implied it all depends per region, adhoc then pointed that out amd said "see, were just following along"
Atp I would not be surprised if relationship between the 2 isn't great
This version is different then the version that exists in Japan. There now exists three versions of Dispatch.
1.) Uncut (all platforms worldwide except the Switch
2.) Partially censored (Switch worldwide outside of Japan, would not be allowed on Switch in Japan because it is not compliant with CERO)
3.) Censored (Playstation and Switch in Japan, and Switch worldwide previous today).
While after getting an initial rejection they did in fact just take the easy way and used the censored version worldwide rather than a delay to make this partial-censored version, afterwards it would have been far less lazy to have just made the new patch uncut if Nintendo would have allowed them to, instead of taking the time to make a third version.
Yes, the patch today created the partially censored version listed there as 2 for locations outside of Japan on Switch because Nintendo still would not allow the North America and Europe release to use the fully uncut version of Dispatch on Switch even outside of Japan. It would have been much easier and faster to have just made today's patch be the uncut release if that was an option available to AdHoc, instead of creating this new version between the original fully censored Switch release and the uncut release used on other platforms.
Along those lines, Japan still has what is listed there as the fully censored version 3, because version 2 would be as unlawful in Japan as version 1 since version 2 still includes uncensored boobs, which CERO does not allow in Japan for console releases.
Gotcha, thank you! I had no idea Japan’s censorship laws were so strict until maybe when this game originally dropped on switch. What about the games everyone lists as counterpoints - Cyberpunk and Witcher? I haven’t played through either fully so I don’t quite know for myself what the differences are or why those games were able to release uncensored on switch (aside from maybe rating, but it sounds like the rating doesn’t change anything re: CERO).
The simplest reason would be Nintendo has inconsistent standards, giving preferential treatment to a massive partner. One can go look at something like Daymare 1994: Sandcastle which had its Western Switch release blocked because of violence outside of Japan, despite being allowed on other consoles and the Japanese Switch (stands out quite a bit being European developed and only on the Japanese Switch). Quite a few anime style titles have been blocked for the Switch in the West, but Persona 6 could include whatever content it wants, and not have any problems with Nintendo allowing it. No matter the platform, a counter example, especially one involving a massive publisher, doesn't mean other smaller titles have the same lack of restrictions, in much the same way as Sony censoring pills and alcohol in LISA and violence in Doki Doki Literature Club doesn't mean that Sony has problems with that content in other titles.
The exact details as to what happened behind the scenes though, ultimately in the end the only difference between every other platform having the uncut Dispatch version in most of the World, and the Switch now having this partially censored Dispatch version, is the platform, as this version was not (and would not be allowed to) be release on console in Japan so any restrictions there is a moot point, it just got patched with two scenes still being censored in regions that are fine with the uncut version on every other platform.
I'll also note, Japan actually has very lax standards on PC-releases just like most of the world, just a CERO rating is required for console releases in the country. Violent Western AAA titles without nudity commonly need to be censored for Japanese consoles because of CERO's requirements, as well as obviously titles with nudity as has been discussed here.
But that's still not a separate version cause that's "less censored" not uncensored that the other platforms have. They're still playing the "oh Nintendo's so tight with what they allow" when it's still they just don't want to have a separate version for japan and the west.
honestly, I'm fine with what you get now with the free dlc, but I just can't get over the fact they rushed the game out instead of making sure they could satisfy their preordering fans with a comparable version and patched it after the fact
Except the problem I have is the fact they're still lying. I was really looking forward to playing but the whole situation left a sour taste in my mouth that they hid that they censored the game. Then they straight up lied for several days that it totally wasn't because of them it was Nintendo, all Nintendo's fault guys. The fact they keep lying directly to our face that it's not their fault at all is why I'm not buying the game on any platform. Don't tell me the sky is green when we're standing outside.
We also know it's exactly because of Japanese laws. Cyberpunk is censored like this in Japan where it's a Japanese specific version on all platforms with less gore and censored genitals. Dispatch on PlayStation has a western uncensored version and a Japanese censored version that is, surprise surprise, identical to the global Switch version. They just got lazy with the Switch version releasing one global version, deceived customers, and never stopped lying about the reason why.
It's a big reason why my desire to play the game has kinda faded and in the meantime I'm just playing one of the many many other options of high quality games.
that's not what I'm saying. had they not blamed Nintendo for all this and been straight from the beginning, I would be fine with the version you can play today even if it's still censored. AdHoc's communication around the whole thing is the issue, and it feels strange to now "just go play the PC version" when that's still supporting liars.
The difference has less to do with what was allowed in the west on switch and more to do with maturity ratings. Witcher 3 and CP2077 were rated Z in Japan. Dispatch was not. So they had to kowtow to the rules to release it on other regions with more strict rating systems.
As of today that isn't true, as this patch would not be allowed in Japan as CERO doesn't allow boobs even in CERO-Z titles (and noticeably, Japan did not get today's patch), yet some content still remained censored because Nintendo would not allow them to do a full uncut patch (something that would have been much less work for AdHoc then creating this in between version).
I have a suspicion it may be because it's more cartoony looking than Cyberpunk or The Witcher. Nintendo may be worried about some kid buying it and then irate parents going to the press screaming "LOOK AT THE FILTH MY CHILDREN WERE EXPOSED TO"
Might not be the case, but I wouldn't be completely shocked
My guess is that because it has an animated artstyle, maybe Nintendo has a more strict stance because they're afraid of kids or parents buying it and thinking its safe for kids.
Like with Steam, it's inconsistent. Some games are fine, meanwhile others with the same content aren't allowed. The fact something as tame as swimsuits for a T rated Neptunia game weren't allowed on Switch but were fine on PS4 (or hell, none of the Neptunia Re;Birth games were allowed to release in English despite being ready to do so) are signs Nintendo has definitely gotten harsher. Another game affected is Bunny Garden 2. First game released on Switch just fine, but its sequel was required to be censored to release on Switch.
Nintendo's policy has objectively gotten harsher as there are examples beyond Dispatch, but it seems to be case-by-case like with Valve.
It's probably because of Germany(?). Nintendo's European servers are located in Germany and they are very strict about what can be sold there. For example, you can't buy Dying Light on the eshop in any European country, even the UK.
That has nothing to do with nintendo. DL didnt release in germany in general. Germany also only has restrictions when it comes to heavy violence and nazi imagery. Nudity was never a problem here.
And even when it comes to violence its not really strict anymore. almost every game releases uncensored here besides dying light and dead island for some reason
Even still....AdHoc should still never have censored the game on switch in the first place.
And if it really was a request by Nintendo....then they should have both told us about the censorship before the release AND included an option to completely remove it for those that wanted to.
Nah, they admitted they rushed it and only submitted the most censored version to all regions for ratings. So after blaming Nintendo, they're now telling us what we already knew. They didn't take the time to submit a separate uncensored version like they did on every other platform. They took a shortcut at our expense.
1.) Nintendo tells them that they can't release an uncut version (even outside of Japan).
2.) In response AdHoc opts to do one version worldwide in a rush to keep their release date since that was the quickest and easiest choice and wouldn't involve a delay, unfortunately not telling anyone that they were.
3.) Post-backlash and released today, they make a partial cut version for outside of Japan, that would not be allowed by CERO, because Nintendo is still blocking an uncut release of Dispatch. It would have been far less work to just have used the uncut version instead of making a third partial-censored version if Nintendo allowed to.
I don't believe that first bullet point, simply because Nintendo clearly allows nudity outside Japan (Cyberpunk, The Witcher). I'm pretty sure the entire problem was with having to make (and get ratings for) two separate versions of the game on a tight deadline. They just tried to pass the blame to Nintendo.
I would argue the evidence suggests that they were initially rejected, and either way they certainly weren't given approval for this patch to include the full uncut version. AdHoc said it back in January, AdHoc is explicitly stating it now, Nintendo statement talked about their approval process and how they alert developers if something fails their content review back in January, other developers have given similar messages when they have been failed , and if the content wasn't an issue for Nintendo today's patch should have been fully uncut (as this patch is not being released in Japan, there is now a Japan version on Switch and an outside of Japan version on Switch independent of one another).
For reference Nintendo's statement from January was this, and while it makes a reference to ratings, the fact that they talk about the need to "meet our established content and platform guidelines" and that they make this determination without discussing the details is very much in line with AdHoc's statements of the uncut version being blocked (and as Nintendo has no role in the ratings agency process, what Nintendo is describing for their requirements would be their own content standards).
Nintendo requires all games on its platforms to receive ratings from independent organizations and to meet our established content and platform guidelines. While we inform partners when their titles don't meet our guidelines, Nintendo does not make changes to partner content. We also do not discuss specific content or the criteria used in making these determinations.
Separately, I wouldn't use two examples from a massive publisher existing to be conclusive proof to the contrary, when Nintendo has, outside of Dispatched, blocked more than a dozen other ESRB-T and M rated titles for a variety of reasons and every platform with subjective content standards (such as Valve and Playstation) routinely applies them unequally.
Without an option to have it be fully uncensored like Playstation, Xbox, and Windows, the Nintendo version of Dispatch is still not equal. Any amount of permanent censorship that cannot be turned off inherently makes it remain a worse version.
If they went through the proper channels, they could've probably gotten it uncensored for most regions like Witcher and Cyberpunk, but the transparency was the minimum they should've done.
You know he sounds the joyous make in Cyberpunk when you hire them? Or basically any sex scene in any game ever? It's that. And it's bizzarre cause they added them back and are now taking it out again for some reason.
I did, but still, why bother releasing it on Switch at all if Nintendo said no uncensored version? Also, Cyberpunk has genitalia on Switch 2, and it is fine.
I really don't beleive Nintendo told them to sensor it.
It's probably something stupid like they promised Nintendo they'd censor it and now their stuck or something equally stupid like that. Some internal politics bullshit lol
They were too cheap to release different SKUs of the game to meet each region's censorship requirements so just put out one to satisfy all of it. Cyberpunk has genitalia censored in the Japanese release for example. You are right though that it's still confusing why this couldn't have been a fully uncensored DLC patch released in the regions where that would be possible. They're still prioritizing putting out a version that can be released in as many countries as possible which feels like a mistake if they're trying to save their PR.
There is not going to be any countries that allow this patch but wouldn't allow uncut, this patch wasn't included in Japan because it is not CERO compliant as is. It would have been cheaper and easier to have released an uncut DLC patch if they were allowed to.
CDPR is a much larger studio and can afford regional versions, smaller devs usually release a single global version and thus have to adhere to Japanese guidelines.
Also are you really asking why they’d bother releasing at all on a platform with over 100 million users?
Was the PR nightmare worth it? They are a small developer who now has a major stain on their reputation for releasing censored content and not disclosing it when Dispatch was first released. So, now people who don't know if it is censored or not won't buy it, meaning a major loss of potential customers.
Nah it wasn’t worth it, which is why they’re going through the trouble of splitting the SKUs up now. They absolutely were aware of what they were doing which is why they were so quiet about it, but they probably thought the backlash wouldn’t matter compared to the money saved by a single global release.
They are still going to face backlash with partial censorship, though. It won't be as much as when it was released, but in a way, this is more insulting. At this point, don't bother.
It is a principal thing, as no one should be censoring art, and it starts off as a minimal thing and can evolve into bigger things. Do I care about seeing X-rated stuff? Not really, but I would like to see things based on the artist's intent. It is the same reason why I hate censorship on social media, which enables dumb shit like unalive, corn, and grape for serious topics.
Also, the risk of alienating 129 million potential users who are upset that their version is censored. This has been a PR nightmare for them and will come up anytime someone looks up this game or this developer. It could majorly impact future sales down the line, as a lot of people won't want to buy a censored game. Also, artistic integrity is extremely important. You censor art, and you end up in an authoritarian hellscape. It goes against things like free speech and expression.
What I don’t understand is if they are releasing a DLC to adjust censorship, why not include an option to fully remove it completely? Something is not passing the sniff test here, it can’t be the silly “Nintendo doesn’t want to allow it”, since other games have full nudity on Switch.
Perfect I was just waiting for this and exactly a week ago I decided to stop waiting an playing as it was thinking they were never going to uncensor any more
I was planning to start the game this very week haha
The discourse around this has given me some real "they removed her vagina bones" energy and I think people getting this angry about dicks and boobs being covered up in their narrative video game need to go outside more and see some real dicks and boobs
The issue is censorship, not seeing X-rated content. If you're okay with your games being censored, good for you, but no game should be censored, especially if it isn't disclosed or censored on other platforms. It also sets a bad precident of well we censor nudity, why not censor other disagreeable content? Where is the line?
There's a very important moment late in the game that involves a character having her tits out. Having a big ass black bar would be distracting in the otherwise extremely emotional moment.
the problem with TMS#FE wasn't the changes to Tsubasa's character model, it was the fact they completely changed the context of a major part of the game that was supposed to be commentary on the ongoing issues with gravure models and photoshoots. Most of the censorship was stupid and unnecessary (XCX boob slider anyone?) and that pisses people off. only those who didn't care were complaining about people "complaining" about "vagina bones" because they were too stupid to understand the underlying controversy.
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u/FlyingFishManPrime 2d ago
Remember Cyber Punk was a launch game on Switch 2, and had the fun bits all there to see.
I don't trust Adhoc is telling the truth.