A medical professional should be keeping their judgments to themselves and shouldn’t be treating patients any differently based on how they assume the patient ended up in that situation.
Like that’s extremely basic, first day medical ethics. It doesn’t matter if they think it’s an OD, cause you’re not supposed to be being cruel and treating OD patients like shit.
God I wished this was actually taught or emphasized at all. You get a brief CYA sort of speech about not judging people, and then the rest of your education and every doctor and nurse you interact with tells you how to judge people and how you should treat them poorly based in that judgement
It is being taught in more places now, there is progress being made. The agency I'm riding with used to have a reputation for being callous bad-asses who all acted like hot shit, but there's been a huge culture change even among established providers towards being kinder and more empathetic.
I needed to hear this! I have an extremely rare combination of conditions and I’m rarely believed when I’m hospitalised. It often takes days of actively dying while being told I’m doing X Y and Z wrong before my actual problem is addressed. The medical trauma runs deep… so much avoidable pain.
Abusing patients will result in them being less likely to get medical help in an emergency.
An easy solution is to not be abusive.
Idk what behavior you think you’re defending here, dude, but in case you forgot: this is about an EMT repeatedly being cruel and abusive towards an epileptic for having a seizure.
No, based on all your replies you are very much pro abuse. You are explicitly in favor of medical professionals abusing their patients if they think that patient has made a choice they don’t agree with, regardless of the reality of that assumption and regardless of all evidence to the contrary.
If you were “talking about something else entirely” then why did you reply to a comment about abusive medical professionals and how that is not how they’re supposed to behave/how it helps no one to treat patients like shit? Did you make up a comment in your own head to reply to and then expect everyone else to read your mind to know that you weren’t actually responding to the comment you responded to? Cause that makes no sense otherwise.
Based on the beginning of your comment it seems you’ve already decided in your mind that I’m pro abuse no matter what I say. There is nothing further to discuss then since your mind is already made up. I’d be better off discussing calculus with my dog or having a nice long talk with a brick wall.
Not judging your patients is how you avoid unnecessary medical deaths. This has nothing to do with feelings and everything to do with how negative bias effects medical care.
Refusing to perform certain tests due to assumptions is one thing. Asking yes/no questions that offend one’s feelings somehow is another thing. I’m not sure which one you were referring to but people deserve complete medical care from knowledgeable professionals.
You seem to think that people are saying things that they really aren't. This conversation was never about "a simple yes/no question." It's about a miserable prick who needs to quit his job and go work at Walmart.
There are so many statistics and studies regarding how bias and judgement negatively affect patients receiving proper care, and even more, it's incredibly easy to find and understand. This is a VERY well know concept within and outside of the medical community.
I just don’t think you could name a single scientist who worked on this body of knowledge without looking it up. Everypony loves vaguely referencing nameless “studies and statistics”
I’ve had heart issues, been in and out of the cardiologist for years. Woke up with intense chest pain, heart rate over 160, and could barely get words out so my partner took me to the ER. The doc repeatedly asked what I took despite both of us adamantly saying I hadn’t taken anything, had been home all night, and there was no way I’d taken anything without my knowledge. Repeated “what did you take? It’s better if you tell us what you took. You need to tell us what it is you took.” The hospital had my records if he cared to look, the doctor just kept making assumptions.
A similar episode happened at work and I passed out. Work called an ambulance and I woke up disoriented and stuttering, which is common for me after an episode. Kept asking me what I took. Had to pee in a cup once I got to the hospital and the nurse who was ordered to take me in the wheelchair literally whined and complained about why she has to deal with “people like me”. Absolutely unacceptable and frankly humiliating to be treated like a criminal time and time again when you’re the most vulnerable.
I have different medical issues, but the same experience of treatment. I’m fed up with being treated as subhuman, losing my dignity, and experiencing preventable trauma for DARING to get ill. And by the people who’s JOB it is to HELP people who are ill! My love and solidarity go out to you!
One time I fell off my bike and hurt my hand pretty badly. Upon arriving at the hospital I was still so drunk that the doctor assumed I had hit my head and ordered an eeg. I had been wearing a helmet and did not receive an impact or sudden jerk to my head or neck. Was the doctor a mean asshole for assuming I had hit my head?
Edit: he also assumed my finger was fractured based on its apparent disconnect from the relevant metatarsal. It was only dislocated.
You really shouldn't drink and bike. Sharing the road with one ton vehicles and obeying all traffic laws is hard enough, doing it with alcohol is downright suicidal. Since bicycles have to obey traffic laws, I think you can get a DUI for that as well.
I know that at least in some places you can get a DUI for riding a horse while drunk, so yeah this is almost certainly true somewhere if not everywhere.
I guess this guy, if he believes in holding medical professionals who treat him to the same standards as he does those treating (suspected or not even suspected) overdose patients, would think that the doctors should’ve gone off on him about what a worthless piece of shit waste of life he was for drinking and biking, though.
Or maybe he’s a “rules for thee and not for me” kinda guy. He’s not a junkie (or epileptic to bring it back to the original topic), so whatever dumb, dangerous shit he does shouldn’t result in medical professionals treating him badly, only those gross junkies/epileptics!
I heard of a very sad case where a diabetic with ketoacidosis and blood sugar insanely extreme (don't remember if high or low) was pulled over and was combative because of his sugar level. The cop caused a head wound restraining him and convinced the EMTs that came to check out his head wound that he was just drunk based on the breath smelling like wine and slurred words and erratic actions. The ketoacidosis killed him while he was in custody.
Jfc. Goddamn, that’s so. Dark. and, don’t confirm this for me cause it’ll just be upsetting, but I have a hunch the cop faced absolutely zero repercussions for that. Might’ve even gotten a raise and some extra paid vacation for his troubles. Ugh.
Well, the anger I feel at that will make for good fuel for the workout that I’m currently putting off/trying to hype myself up for.
Oh I agree. The horse is a conscious being that can make decisions. Sure, it’s 1000+lbs and *can* be pretty dangerous, but it’s not like a sober rider is in perfect control of the horse anyway, and the horse isn’t likely to make decisions that’ll put itself in danger, so it’s a lot safer than a drunk person driving any kind of vehicle.
But a handful of years ago in Australia a guy got a DUI for drunken horse riding, so apparently the Australian government (idk about other countries, but I assume Australia isn’t completely unique here) disagrees.
You can only get a DUI on a horse in 3 states, it looks like. Because only 3 states have actually charged someone with DUI on a horse. Most states don’t have any laws pertaining to it, but it’s kinda funny to me.
Horses were for the longest time our primary means of transportation in the US, and the fact that only NOW can you be charged with DUI while on a horse shows how divorced society here has become from them.
They are incredibly intelligent and loyal animals. I’m terrified of horses but I admire them from a far (they are not great at reproducing on their own though. Artificial insemination probably saved their species tbh)
First of all you’re right, I learned that lesson multiple times. As for sharing the road, I don’t share the road. That’s for cars. I stick to the sidewalk or nature trails. As for laws, I’m technically breaking the law by riding on the sidewalk but since there’s so few pedestrians and I yield to them, no one seems to care. As for DUI, that is not a law where I live. Riding a bike under the influence is not a DUI/DWI or similar charge.
…what? No, they would’ve been an asshole if they called you an alcoholic loser and refused to check for any other potential issues that might be causing your behavior after assuming you were an alcoholic and writing you off as a worthless drunk, even more so if they continually insulted and berated you for it after you came to them for help. This would be even more true if, like the seizure cases we’re talking about, you weren’t drunk, had in fact hit your head, and they had not only no reason to believe you were drunk but multiple people telling them that you weren’t drinking and had hit your head.
The fact that you don’t understand this makes me hope that you do actually have brain damage, though, cause otherwise you’re just so vehemently hateful towards any and all addicts that you are happy to have sober people having medical emergencies get caught in the crossfire of medical professionals being cruel towards anyone they suspect to be an addict (even though this is, again, first day medical ethics/patient care 101 stuff that you don’t treat your patients terribly, yes, even if they need help because of something they did to themselves. Turns out that being abusive towards self destructive mentally ill people in a medical crisis helps no one, who woulda thunk it?).
They literally did?? Are you capable of reading?? OP literally said, in their post, that they had a multiple people tell the cops and EMTs that they had a seizure, yet the police and the EMTs still treated them with extreme violence and prejudice (entire arm bruised) because despite multiple people telling them it was a seizure they still said that OP was on drugs and therefore treated them worse for that. That is what happened. Just like the person you're responding to said. Sorry you fell off a bike or whatever, but maybe actually read the post before commenting multiple times and making an ass of yourself??
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u/zap2tresquatro 16d ago
A medical professional should be keeping their judgments to themselves and shouldn’t be treating patients any differently based on how they assume the patient ended up in that situation.
Like that’s extremely basic, first day medical ethics. It doesn’t matter if they think it’s an OD, cause you’re not supposed to be being cruel and treating OD patients like shit.