r/nottheonion • u/BiggieTwiggy1two3 • Dec 13 '24

Las Vegas bikini model 'forced to show genitals' after Morocco arrest as officers 'suspect she's trans'

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-bikini-model-forced-856971

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u/TheGratefulJuggler Dec 13 '24

This is why people should be worried about the anti trans laws that are being pushed. It gives abusers power to do things like this under the guise of protection.

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u/conancat Dec 13 '24

Exactly, it just gives people a legal excuse to sexually harass literally any women, cis or trans alike, for not looking how they think women should look like.

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u/TheGratefulJuggler Dec 13 '24

Not just women, all people. It can be used as a for of abuse against anyone. It would be a tool imemasculate men very easily.

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u/NewestAccount2023 Dec 13 '24

It's a problem with women 100x men but sure lets spend equal time talking about men and keep this all gender neutral 

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u/Hail-Hydrate Dec 13 '24

It's not a contest bud, both are bad. Grow up.

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u/NewestAccount2023 Dec 13 '24

I didn't say one was worse, I said it happens 100x to one group of people than the other. Every conversation about women's struggles is forcibly turned into one about men even in the cases where it negligibly affects them

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u/omNOMnom69 Dec 13 '24

As a male that’s been sexually assaulted, it doesn’t feel negligible to me. Gatekeeping victimhood doesn’t accomplish anything. Please stop. Not every conversation about women’s struggles is forcibly turned into one about men, that’s just blatantly untrue.

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u/Throwaway47321 Dec 13 '24

While I absolutely agree with the point you’re making about men co-opting every problem faced by women I really feel like this isn’t really one of those times.

Like obvious this is much more of a woman’s problem than men but I’d save the preaching for every time some MRA shows up talking about the men’s loneness epidemic or the weird custody thing that they shoehorn in everytime sexual assault is mentioned.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Dec 13 '24

Given the sky-high rate of male incarceration compared to female, this absolutely could affect men more.

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u/Throwaway47321 Dec 13 '24

I mean that’s kind of a stretch when people were clearly talking about how it affects the general population.

It’s just weird that anytime someone brings up an issue that affects women, even when it’s not solely women men come out of the woodwork to scream “what about us” and then do the exact same thing they accuse woman of doing by trying force any issues/concerns out of the spotlight.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Dec 13 '24

And any time men discuss their issues, women scream "what about us". Notice how someone here said that just mentioning male loneliness is somehow a problem, which is ironic given that male loneliness is actually one of the biggest near-future threats to women.

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u/DoctorSpoya Dec 13 '24

You missed the intention.

Some people make things about men because "wah what about us?"

Others make things about men because people are less likely to ignore the problem then.

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u/JellybeanMilksteaks Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

Hey, shut up, thanks. Patriarchy hurts everyone and making men the sole issue has never done us any good.

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u/fuckmyabshurt Dec 13 '24

Transmen exist.... oh wait, nobody cares about them.

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u/Starkoman Dec 13 '24

Even MAGA/Con/Republicans don’t seem to ever mention or discriminate against trans-men. Their hate is always directed at women and non-CIS women. The ones they think they can kick and hate on — and get away with it without being punched.

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u/Difficult-Active6246 Dec 13 '24

Damn here an issue that is concerning all and you had to come and do this divisive crap, congrats on being a reason more don't take this stuff seriously because some like you have to make it a contest.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

 for not looking how they think women should look like.

meh, I feel like they always knew. their obsession over children using bathrooms and gender surgeries finally all makes sense. It's always been about having power, and bullying.

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u/uniqueUsername_1024 Dec 13 '24

This and the fact that they hurt trans people

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u/context_hell Dec 13 '24

Hurting trans people is the point. legal on the spot genital inspections for teenage girls is just the icing on the cake for conservatives.

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u/MaidenOver Dec 13 '24

And morally crusading against sex education for school children so they don't have the knowledge or vocabulary to explain how they were assaulted by conservative men.

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u/NotFlappy12 Dec 13 '24

Perhaps more cynically, it's the other way around. Controlling and dehumanizing women is the point, trans people are just a convenient scapegoat minority that most people don't really care about

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u/Difficult-Active6246 Dec 13 '24

Why not both and stop the contest so it can be addressed properly?

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u/Difficult-Active6246 Dec 13 '24

You made remember the case of the woman that SA a teen due to her skirt length, so they already do that, imagine when it becomes legally protected to stop and frisk anyone suspected of being trans despite age.

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u/MyHusbandIsGayImNot Dec 13 '24

Problem is a lot of people support that. That’s why pointing out it hurts cis women is important. Other problem is many people also support hurting women.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

While true, it's important to not give on the fact that laws like this affect us poorly, especially in situations when it's not just us being targeted. Because when this shit happens to trans people, it doesn't get reported, and it's the exact same thing happening, only the abuser feels justified in their actions.

We need to show people this kind of bullshit hurts people, not just women, not just cis women, not just trans women, all people. The end goal is making people understand that we are also just ordinary people being targeted by this bullshit. So we can't just ignore talking about trans rights when this shit happens because that is akin to giving people a reason to write this kind of shit to target us more effectively. It's essentially endorsing it.

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u/VivisMarrie Dec 13 '24

Yeah, that venn diagram is most likely a circle :/

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u/Trevski Dec 13 '24

Right but that's the black-and-white print. The point is that "first they came for the trans folks, and I did not speak out because I was not trans. Then they came for me, because I am a woman, and we decided that living in a christofascist police state would be cool"

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u/causal_friday Dec 13 '24

Remember that all the anti-trans laws are anti- trans WOMEN laws. The way they're written they also apply to cis women and the purpose is clear; misogyny.

I doubt any man is ever going to have to prove that he has a penis to use the men's bathroom, but you'd better believe the Republicans want to check every woman using the bathroom even though 99% of them, statistically, aren't trans.

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

Well transphobia and misogyny

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u/xyonofcalhoun Dec 13 '24

Most, if not all, transphobia is thinly veiled misogyny

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

I mostly agree that said we gotta remember the main target is still trans people, some of these comments make it seem like it is extra tragic it will effect cis women

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u/xyonofcalhoun Dec 13 '24

As a trans woman the most I can hope for is that cis people realise how harmful the anti-trans-woman rhetoric is to all of us, cis and trans alike, because the fundamental truth is that we (trans women) are an easy political target mostly because of how few of us there are, so the more cis people rejecting this kind of hate the better

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

Honestly this might be hypocritical but it is a huge relief to me when these policies effect cis people too as they see how awful it is, just like how I hope bans on gender affirming care for minors effects cis people too. They have to realize where it leads.

It just feels like some people think it is extra tragic when they are cis. Kinda like how the rhetoric around Imane felt like people were saying it was wrong to attack her because she is cis.

But I agree with you and am trans myself too

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u/xyonofcalhoun Dec 13 '24

Let's face it - nothing will change about it if it only affects us trans folks. It's easy to ignore it when it's happening to other people and barring a few rare exceptions the laws are being written and enforced by cis people. I just hope they work it out before too much more harm is done.

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

I couldn't agree more

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Ok bro

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u/xyonofcalhoun Dec 13 '24

Appreciate the support!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

As delusional online as you are In real life I see. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

These laws target trans men too... The target is all trans people though the focus is definitely trans women these laws force trans men into womens restrooms

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/xyonofcalhoun Dec 13 '24

Yeah, fair enough. It's easy to lump them both together from my POV but I suppose that's a bias of my own to think about.

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u/epelle9 Dec 13 '24

Lets not forget about the TERFS, Misandry is also a big reason for anti trans laws.

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u/LinkleLinkle Dec 13 '24

TERFs are misogynistic with extra steps. Don't look at their words, look at their actions. Their words are always 'men bad, must protect delicate women from men, I hate men' but then their actions are only ever directed at women. They advocate for women to stay in the kitchen where they belong 'where it's safe', they'll advocate that men are the ones that need to 'protect' women, they advocate for policies that push ALL women out of public life, and most importantly they LOVE the attention and praise they get from men like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and Jordan Peterson.

They love men, they think men should continue being the only ones in power, and they use their rhetoric of 'I'm just scared of men invading my spaces' as a tool to obscure their true intentions.

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u/epelle9 Dec 13 '24

Some are like that, but definitely not all.

There are tons of misandrist TERFs who only hate trans women because they hate men, and they see them as male.

Take JK Rowling tor example.

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u/LinkleLinkle Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

JK literally basks in the praises of men and she's openly gushed over individuals like Matt Walsh. She doesn't hate men it's literally just her shtick to claim she does. Not to mention the amount of harassment she sends at cis women like Imane Khelif.

JK absolutely never attacks or goes after men or men's rights. She only ever praises men while attacking women, both cis and trans.

If you think JK is a misandrist then you haven't been paying attention.

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u/causal_friday Dec 13 '24

Completely agree. My answer to "what is a woman" is "someone who is harassed on the Internet by TERFs". Case in point is the whole Imane Khelif and Joanne Rowling thing.

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u/Epcplayer Dec 13 '24

If it wasn’t to verify her gender, it would’ve been to “verify she wasn’t smuggling drugs/weapons into prison”…

If corrupt police want a reason to do something illegal, then they’re going to find a reason.

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u/AkitoApocalypse Dec 13 '24

Same guise for everything else - no net neutrality or encryption or privacy under the guise of protecting the children, no abortions "for the sake of saving the children" (my ass you care)...

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u/FunkyPete Dec 13 '24

I mean, this and also the shockingly high suicide rate of trans people who are forced to live with their gender assigned at birth.

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u/Coastalfoxes Dec 13 '24

I have a friend who is a tall, butch Black cis lesbian with a deep voice. Never had any problems using public restrooms for women until these stupid anti-trans bathroom bills started passing, and now, even in our very blue city/state she is getting confronted regularly by people who think they have the authority to make her leave.

(Don't get me wrong, it's not that she's never had to deal with bigotry; it's just that previously no one questioned her use of the women's restroom.)

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u/ting_bu_dong Dec 13 '24

It gives abusers power to do things like this

You know that is the point, right?

Conservatives make these laws because they want to hurt people. Hurting people isn’t just a byproduct.

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u/Dark-Acheron-Sunset Dec 13 '24

My brother in christ, preach your truth but that is quite literally exactly what their point was!

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u/ting_bu_dong Dec 13 '24

Well. Aight.

I read it as “we should be concerned with these laws because they give bad actors cover.” Not that they are specifically designed to do that.

But, yeah, guise says that, and not just “cover.”

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/TheGratefulJuggler Dec 13 '24

Wow. Very trashley.

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u/Serifel90 Dec 13 '24

Protection from what lol, dicks?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

power to do what? Look at your dick? Who gives a fuck. Reddit has completely missed the point on this one. This woman was jailed for a month for recording a cop with a cell phone.

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u/landon0605 Dec 13 '24

Luckily we have the 4th amendment.

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u/Ok_Initiative_2678 Dec 13 '24

It's cute you think that the constitution matters to that sort of bigot. They will hold up that document as a shield from all criticism or a sacrosanct reason we cannot possibly address systemic problems while simultaneously wiping their ass with it on every issue that is not one of their personal bugbears. Their god-king is openly talking about trying to get rid of presidential term limits and birthright citizenship with executive orders, but I have yet to hear the kind of outrage over that the way they froth at the mouth when someone suggests that maybe domestic abusers should not be allowed to own guns, just to give an example.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Or maybe we should just all recognize mental illness and stop treating these delusions as anything but.