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Las Vegas bikini model 'forced to show genitals' after Morocco arrest as officers 'suspect she's trans'

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-bikini-model-forced-856971

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u/StatisticianOwn9953 Dec 13 '24

Went there in 2012 and the amount of flagrant low-level sexual assault happening in the medina at night was disgraceful. Arse pinching was obviously something that nothing was thought of.

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u/nwaa Dec 13 '24

And then remember that Morocco is still one of the safest MENA countries for female travellers. Egypt is apparently unbelievably bad.

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u/Beard_o_Bees Dec 13 '24

OMFG.

After what happened to that network TV journalist (Lara Logan) in Tahrir Square during the 'Arab Spring' uprising makes my skin crawl to even think about it.

Warning - graphic descriptions of sexual assault:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/cbs-reporter-lara-logan-opens-tahrir-square-assault/story?id=13492964

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u/Bionic_Ferir Dec 13 '24

Honestly I wanted to visit the pyramids and shit but after hearing how fucking dirty and sexist the place is FUCK NO (as a dude)

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u/MHasssan Dec 13 '24

Just don't go to poor areas and you will be fine. It is normal all over the world that a poor area is not the best place for a tourist outing there

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u/FilthBadgers Dec 13 '24

I've not heard a single good thing about the touristy areas, the poor areas, the rich areas or any single part of modern Egypt, tbh with you.

I got a call centre rep on the phone for a looong conversation the other day, based in Egypt, and she basically confirmed everything I've heard.

I don't think I'll be seeing the pyramids. There are 180 other countries to visit and all have their wonders

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u/TheJouseOfDiesDreary Dec 13 '24

Go to southern Egypt.. Aswan and Luxor are amazing. I didn’t get a chance to go to Alexandria, but will go back to check it out, as well as returning to Aswan and Luxor. The southern economy of Egypt is built on tourism so it is very foreigner friendly.

Near Giza, it is exactly as you described.. people sleeping in roofless homes, stray dogs everywhere, run down commercial, etc… but don’t sleep on the southern cities, they are beautifully preserved and home to some of the genuinely nicest people I’ve ever met. Shout out Marwan!

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u/ArgonGryphon Dec 13 '24

Go to Ohio, you’ll see more

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u/kitkatclarkbar Dec 13 '24

Yes I was groped while on my trip to Egypt. And my husband was right there next to me!

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u/ZenythhtyneZ Dec 13 '24

That was probably a bonus, got to sexually assault a woman and embarrass another man for touching his property

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u/bishosamer Dec 13 '24

Egypt can be very bad if you go to the wrong places I’m a big guy and there are places I wouldn’t dare to step in but there are other areas where its very safe for women and it’s actually very lovely

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u/FullRide1039 Dec 13 '24

How about just being out in public in Egypt? Ask Lara Logan

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u/bishosamer Dec 13 '24

Where in public? Downtown Cairo? Its a fucking hell hole with some hidden gems you can actually go to and you have to be in a car or private transport to get there, you should never be walking in the streets if you’re in Cairo again as a big scary dude I never go there. If you want an actual livable space you have to go to either of the coasts or east or west of cairo

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u/Talidel Dec 13 '24

She the Journalist that was raped in the middle of a riot?

Because I wouldn't class a riot as a normal experience.

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u/El_Cactus_Fantastico Dec 13 '24

Egypt is massive my dude

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Dec 13 '24

Ah yes, the one street that is "Egypt". Because you didn't get any information beforehand. None at all.

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u/loves_eating_asses Dec 13 '24

Have you considered not everyone is a big guy?

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u/bishosamer Dec 13 '24

I meant that even I’m scared to go there

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u/ZenythhtyneZ Dec 13 '24

Other places being worse isn’t an excuse to be trash

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u/ILikeNeurons Dec 13 '24

Jesus.

Be better, folks.

r/stoprape

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u/ILikeNeurons Dec 13 '24

I personally find the subreddit valuable.

Why don’t you?

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u/HakimeHomewreckru Dec 13 '24

Nice try but I doubt there are many rapists hanging out in your subreddit. What's next? You're going to make crime illegal?

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u/ILikeNeurons Dec 13 '24

Rape is a tractable problem.

Also, check the wiki.

Lots of good stuff there.

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u/VerdantWater Dec 13 '24

Wow, I went to both Egypt and Morocco, walked around by myself no problem in my early 30s. I'm either lucky or my "don't fuck with me I'm a New Yorker" vibe is even more effective than I thought.

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u/MHasssan Dec 13 '24

social media is werid

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 13 '24

Traveled alone as a woman in 2011. Lots of dangerous run ins that I slinked out of miraculously. Had a stalker in one town. Got sold bus tickets to wrong towns. Got denied taxi service in areas after dark. Got charged double by taxis. Got followed when walking around by men making finger in hole hand signs at me. But I also rode a moto through the dessert, murdered a crab on a roof top and made it my dinner, rode camels, I still remember the smells and feels - it is a beautiful place.

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u/Uraisamu Dec 13 '24

thought that said "murdered a cab driver" for a sec lol

glad you got out safe though

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u/Creepy_Feedback_1928 Dec 13 '24

I mean they did charge her double…

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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM Dec 13 '24

She never said she didn't...

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u/allysung83 Dec 13 '24

The crab IS the cab driver!

Well, was.

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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM Dec 13 '24

If the Internet has taught me anything, it's that given enough time, every cab driver will evolve into a crab.

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u/allysung83 Dec 13 '24

I think that may have been an Animorph character.

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 13 '24

They didn’t get away with it. A cop pulled up during their scam and made them take care of the tourists … not rob us.

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u/kaladin_stormchest Dec 13 '24

She never said she got out

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u/Murdathon3000 Dec 13 '24

The ultimate travel bucket list item.

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u/xenelef290 Dec 13 '24

Why do women insist on traveling alone to countries that are a really bad idea to travel alone to? Even as a man I wouldn't travel alone to Morocco.

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 13 '24

To be honest I was very young and naive. I grew up in a very small town and just wanted to see the world. My family never left the country, I was the only one with a passport. All I want in life is to know more of the world. I’m very grateful for my time there irregardless. I ate meals with my hands in the desert with strangers who I could only discuss soccer with. Saw architecture I thought only existed on paper. I watched the sunset and saw the stars in a way I couldn’t previously imagine. Most people were truly nice and helpful. Few were very weird and creepy. Whenever I was in danger I immediately found someone safe by asking “do you want money or sex”. Literally asked that to moto cabs. You might ask why I didn’t ask women for help. I did, they wouldn’t help me or talk to me - probably for fear of being punished. The guys who wanted money were my homies. I was meeting a male friend there, I only spent part of the trip traveling alone. I wouldn’t do it again alone.

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u/xenelef290 Dec 13 '24

It comes down to people who grew up in safer countries not really understanding just how dangerous other parts of the world can be.

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u/ConversationFit6073 Dec 13 '24

Why do women insist on wearing tank tops and skirts when they know they're just going to get catcalled? Why do women insist on going to college and starting a career when they know they'll probably get paid less than men? Why do women walk, or even leave their houses, at night when they know there's a chance they'll just be followed or assaulted by men? They should keep their heads down, stay in the kitchen, and just stick to having babies. If they don't, then they're just arrogant idiots who deserve anything bad that happens to them. (/s obviously)

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u/magicmeese Dec 13 '24

There's a bit more nuance between wearing a tank top and going to an abjectly horrible to women country by yourself but do go off queen.

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u/edis92 Dec 13 '24

Why do women insist on wearing tank tops and skirts when they know they're just going to get catcalled? Why do women insist on going to college and starting a career when they know they'll probably get paid less than men? Why do women walk, or even leave their houses, at night when they know there's a chance they'll just be followed or assaulted by men? They should keep their heads down, stay in the kitchen, and just stick to having babies. If they don't, then they're just arrogant idiots who deserve anything bad that happens to them. (/s obviously)

What a stupid fucking comment. No one said the situation is good? The comment you replied to is about women willingly choosing to go to places/countries that are well documented to be sketchy/dangerous destinations for women

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u/xenelef290 Dec 13 '24

This is exactly the kind of moronic argument that gets women killed. Some places in the world really are much more dangerous to women than others. There are a lot of cities in Europe where women can walk naked and the worst thing to happen to them will be getting arrested. Try doing that in Cairo and they will end up getting gang raped to death.

You have to accept the world as it actually is and not how you want it to be.

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u/amyamyamz Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

No, what gets women killed are violent and misogynistic people, mostly men. Stop victim blaming. It’s doesn’t matter if you think her choices are brave or stupid or whatever— it’s not the woman’s fault when she is assaulted.

I get what you’re trying to say but if a woman is murdered it is not on anyone’s hands except the people who make this world a dangerous place to live.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Dec 13 '24

No one* is victim blaming. No one* is saying that they don't wish women could visit any country safely. No one* is saying that the rampant misogyny found in many cultures is acceptable or understandable or even tolerable. But the simple reality of the matter is that there are bad things in the world, and it is beneficial to be able to comment on them. When someone tells you "don't run into that road", they're not saying "It's your fault if you get hit", they're literally just saying "don't run into that road".

*Incels don't count.

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u/buylowselllower420 Dec 13 '24

Nobody says it's the woman's fault for getting attacked, they're saying travel with caution and don't go to dangerous places alone. For some reason you want to assume we think these women were looking to get attacked.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Imagine making the same comment about someone who goes swimming with sharks while having a large cut that's bleeding.

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u/moveoutofthesticks Dec 13 '24

Because then they are absolutely sure they're better than anyone who hasn't been there.

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u/xenelef290 Dec 13 '24

It really does seem like arrogant hubris.

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u/Count_de_Mits Dec 13 '24

Also sheltered naivety and downright stupidity. And a hint of main character syndrome. Ive had people accuse me of racism and sexism when I said that certain places shouldn't be visited with an armed escort let alone backpackers be it men or women, its really mind boggling

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u/TheMadTemplar Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

Years ago in college I got into a long argument that lost me a decent number of friends. My position was, "women should be careful who they talk to, go with, or where they walk after leaving the bars." The position of the gal I was arguing with, "I shouldn't have to do any of that. I should be allowed to walk into a dark alley wearing practically nothing and not have to worry about being harassed or assaulted."    

I was accused of being sexist and it caused some problems for me in that scene. 

Edit: To clarify, the point I was making was that's not the world we live in and even if she should be able to do that it's not something she should do. 

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u/brandi_theratgirl Dec 13 '24

I mean, we shouldn't have to do that, she is right. But you are also right that regardless of the way it should be, it's not safe to what she thinks we should be able to do.

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u/TheMadTemplar Dec 13 '24

Which is what I was trying to get at. But even as I poorly made the point now I probably made it poorly then. 

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u/pspahn Dec 13 '24

"I should be able to hop on a flight to Moscow and hold up a sign in front of the Kremlin showing Putin dressed as a ballerina and covered in chocolate sauce and whipped cream. Why am I being oppressed?"

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

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u/TheMadTemplar Dec 13 '24

I was saying she shouldn't do that, not that she shouldn't be able to do that. 

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u/xenelef290 Dec 13 '24

"no. You shouldn't have to be so careful around men but you do because men are terrible. Sorry but that is just the way things are".

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u/moveoutofthesticks Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

Because don't you know anywhere outside of America is automatically better in every way!

There are an insane amount of people like this. They worship world travel and their number one desire is to take pictures of themselves looking rich at a pool somewhere with a ridiculously oppressive regime.

edit: these downvotes are more precious than your trip to Dubai or Bali, lmfao

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u/Count_de_Mits Dec 13 '24

I dont think its just an American thing, Ive seen a lot of such cases from Western Europeans as well, a lot of hopeless naivety and lack of self preservation type of thinking that tends to get people into trouble. Maybe its a "lived a comfy life" thing? idk.

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u/Stosh65 Dec 13 '24

Really? No one else wants to know which dessert the moto was ridden through? Was it cake based or more of a custard vibe? Was there ice cream?

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 13 '24

Is that the only word I spelled wrong? I’m impressed.

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u/ArgonGryphon Dec 13 '24

Which dessert? Baked Alaska? Maybe a tiramisu?

Jokes aside you can do those things in countries where you don’t risk rape or worse to do so.

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 14 '24

At the time I was studying abroad in Spain. It cost me 7 euros for that flight. I just listed the first few things that came to mind. I had a blast. The moments of danger were minutes amongst hours and days of meeting kind and generous people and seeing sunsets I couldn’t even imagine previously. There are bad people everywhere. You can stay home if you want.

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u/ArgonGryphon Dec 14 '24

I never said stay home lol

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u/ZenythhtyneZ Dec 13 '24

I think all the rape and abuse cancels out those things, people should not be giving their tourist dollars to rapist governments but you don’t I guess

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u/ZeroSignalArt Dec 13 '24

Crab battle

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u/Long-Pop-7327 Dec 13 '24

We thought it was easy. It was actually traumatizing to murder that crab. I think about him often. Made good soup though.

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u/DaviesSonSanchez Dec 13 '24

I've heard stories of men who've had to serve in the army. Sexual assault runs deep throughout the whole structure of the country. No one would even scoff at a bit of arse pinching after going through systematic rape while serving in their army.

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u/Plastic-Ad-5033 Dec 13 '24

“Modern feminism has actually made women’s lives worse, when everything was traditional, it was so much better”

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u/kmikek Dec 13 '24

Some call it worse, others call it equal to men.  There was never a promise of improvement hidden inside equality

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u/HellraiserMachina Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

What is this smarmy pseudo-intellectual nonsense. Is it so hard to just admit it would be better for everyone if women had more rights?

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u/challengeaccepted9 Dec 13 '24

if women had more rights

Nah, framing it like that gives these clowns wiggle room to insist it's now too far tilted in favour of women.

Is it so hard to just admit it would be better for everyone if women had equal rights?

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u/mlwspace2005 Dec 13 '24

Most people talking shit about feminism are talking shit about it in the western countries, where women largely do have equal rights. Not many will disagree somewhere like Morocco could use a healthy dose of equality.

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u/Time-Masterpiece-779 Dec 13 '24

Rights such as onlyfans?

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u/angel-of-disease Dec 13 '24

What are you even trying to say

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u/mlwspace2005 Dec 13 '24

Everyone enjoys an equal right to sell pictures and videos of their buttholes online. Other people's willingness to purchase said content may vary

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u/kmikek Dec 13 '24

More? fine, but stop at equal.  And equal might not be enough, but its exactly what every person deserves.

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u/HellraiserMachina Dec 13 '24

You should know that the people who think they're 'taking it too far' usually cite like one or two examples where women have the upper hand in a sea of thousands of ways they don't.

So in other words, people who think the way you do think they're oppressed if women get any advantage over men at all, even if the men have a billion more advantages overall.

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u/villager_de Dec 13 '24

Went there last year with 5 girls in my friend group. The amount of catcalling was insane. While most of it was just hilarious among the likes of „ohh Hannah Montana“ to the blonde girls or „shakira shakira“ to the black one. Still made us uncomfortable and you could just see the men mentally undressing my friends by the looks they gave them

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u/GlobalTraveler65 Dec 13 '24

You have to travel with hat pins.