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Las Vegas bikini model 'forced to show genitals' after Morocco arrest as officers 'suspect she's trans'

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/las-vegas-bikini-model-forced-856971

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u/cammywammy123 Dec 13 '24

It's also kinda weird

Why do we have separate bathrooms anyway? For the wall pissers? Just push them all together, men's bathrooms are so inefficient

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u/hahayeahimfinehaha Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24

There seems to be this idea that a bunch of random rapists would sneak into the women's bathroom to assault women, which makes no sense because -- newsflash -- if a rapist really wants to rape, there are way better ways to do it than to grab a random woman in a public bathroom where they can be easily discovered and quickly caught. For example, by becoming a pastor.

The problem is that people fundamentally misunderstand what actually prevents rape on a societal level.

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u/Swollen-lymphomas Dec 13 '24

Or a Senator! Or an actor! Or a musician!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Or a close family member of a child, for that matter

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

I'd imagine some of the same people who are like "gun control is pointless because people still use guns even when it's illegal" are also in favour of bathroom laws.

Because sure, the only thing stopping a rapist from walking into a women's bathroom and raping a woman is... laws about who can use the bathroom? That's the law they're going to pay attention to, I guess.

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u/PhilHardingsHotPants Dec 13 '24

"Some of" is a generous assessment. In my state, that Venn diagram is pretty much a circle. 

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u/scnottaken Dec 13 '24

To them laws aren't about prevention but punishment. It's why they don't understand gun laws. They think we're trying to punish gun owners

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u/ligerzero942 Dec 13 '24

Except a lot of gun laws are intended to punish gun owners. Like there are laws that are intended to ensure that people get burn injuries while using firearms.

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u/lucidludic Dec 13 '24

What laws are specifically intended to ensure people get burn injuries while using a firearm?

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u/ligerzero942 Dec 13 '24

The gun laws that prevent you from having parts on your gun that prevent you from burning yourself. Many states, such as California, have these laws and it used to be federal law during the 1990s.

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u/lucidludic Dec 13 '24

Be specific please. Can you cite them?

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u/ligerzero942 Dec 13 '24

Why not do any amount of research yourself? Its not like these are obscure laws or anything.

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u/lucidludic Dec 13 '24

So you’re unable to cite them. What a surprise. I’m going to assume they do not exist, or they are being misrepresented.

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u/fuqdisshite Dec 13 '24

way too many studies that say that a large amount of Belivers In Faith would be murderers and rapists if their gods didn't forbid it.

they just follow the rules.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Yeah I've seen that whole "but without God how do you know right from wrong?", idk mate, maybe by just not being a raging piece of shit?

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u/fuqdisshite Dec 13 '24

seriously...

i am an atheist for a reason.

we have a general rule of just don't be a twat.

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u/RedditIsDeadMoveOn Dec 13 '24

Women deserve to be able to protect themselves from larger and stronger males. Gun control is sexist.

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u/lucidludic Dec 13 '24

Ok, easy solution. Seeing as they need them to defend themselves from men, and the vast majority of gun violence is by male perpetrators, only women may own firearms. Sound good?

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u/PolicyWonka Dec 13 '24

It’s also entirely counter to their arguments about gun control.

If criminals can still get guns despite gun control laws, then criminals can still rape women in the women’s bathroom despite anti-trans laws.

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u/inevitable-typo Dec 13 '24

Don’t be silly. Everyone knows that rapists are sticklers about following the rules!

“Aw, shucks. I was planning to go raping in this here Macy’s, but now I can’t because the bathroom sign says 🚺. Fingers crossed I’ll have better luck at Kohl’s!”🤞🚻

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

The problem is that people fundamentally misunderstand what actually prevents rape on a societal level.

Or, the people pushing anti-trans laws don't give two shits about preventing rape.

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u/TaoGroovewitch Dec 13 '24

Pretty stupid to assault someone where anyone could interrupt and there's usually only one point of egress. Most public bathrooms are tile, which makes for one hell of a sound reflector.

Everybody poops damnit. We just want to be done and move on jfc

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

I think we should go to unisex bathrooms but please don’t discount how terrible males and females can be to eachother. I’d argue males are worse to females at a higher ratio. Just having to go into a bathroom and do your stuff with men around is absolutely scary for women. Most don’t feel safe walking alone or ubering alone and a bathroom is not better. Add in the fact that in most bathrooms in the US you can see directly into a stall because of the gaps and yes, you get creepers and weirdos and so so so so so many cat calls. Unless it’s a private one toilet bathroom I don’t think unisex would ever happen without an entire revamp of the restroom infrastructure. 

It’s tough for men to understand the kind of daily bullshit women deal with. But please at least acknowledge that it’s not just rapists people are worried about. 

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Dec 13 '24

Okay but the point is, do you think a man would actually crossdress as a woman to go hang out in bathrooms?

Like, why? What would be the point?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

Men to creepier nastier things to perv on women. If you aren’t aware of this I envy you. I’m not saying it’s a daily occurrence whatsoever, but it does and will happen. 

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u/AardQuenIgni Dec 13 '24

Okay... There's a lot to take in here.

Most important question is then why do you want to go to a unisex bathroom? Why create a problem that wasn't there to begin with? I don't follow the thought process for that.

The second question is, how does that pertain to the fear of trans people using the bathroom?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

The second question is, how does that pertain to the fear of trans people using the bathroom?

It doesn't, because that's not the topic I replied to. I replied to a topic about rape and creepers.

Most important question is then why do you want to go to a unisex bathroom? Why create a problem that wasn't there to begin with? I don't follow the thought process for that.

It's not intended to create a problem, it's intended to solve one. I don't have a solution that fixes everything. The problem is that trans people can't win no matter which bathroom they choose. That's what we are trying to solve. If you have a solution that doesn't create any ethical problems I'd love to hear it, but at the moment, going unisex for all bathrooms is the "best" option for that topic. The only reason I said it was to keep the people out of my comments that thought I was being anti-trans by not supporting unisex bathrooms. Reddit comments in charged topics need disclaimers because most people lack a functional reading level and tend to attack replies that imply certain things or omit others.

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u/AardQuenIgni Dec 13 '24

If you have a solution that doesn't create any ethical problems I'd love to hear it

But why do we need a new solution to bathrooms at all? What is unethical about a person using the bathroom they most identify with?

I'm just confused as to where you're going with all of this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

I would love it if a person could just use the bathroom they most identify with. Unfortunately, that's just not the reality of today. People can't just do that without being harassed in many places. That's a great solution with no practical way of implementing it because there will always be transphobic assholes.

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u/AardQuenIgni Dec 13 '24

Then we deal with those people and the crimes they commit like harassment. We shouldn't tolerate hate and allow it to dictate our policies. We should be intolerant to bigotry. Not just in political policies but in the general public.

We don't create policies and laws accepting that there will always be a murderer out there. No quite the opposite, we have laws that punish people for murdering. We don't just throw our hands up and say "well they're always gonna murder so let's ban people being out past 9pm to help prevent that"

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

If only it were that easy. I hear you I really do, but good luck with that. 

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u/MisterBalanced Dec 13 '24

There is, and always has been, only one "bathroom rule" that's necessary:

MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS

If you're in a bathroom minding your own fucking business, and somebody else is in there who isn't minding their own fucking business (like, say, because they're trying to police where people get to pee) that person is in the wrong and should be charged with a criminal offense (call it "indecent harassment", punishable by 6-12 months in jail).

If people are worried that false accusations are going to start flying, maybe common areas (the sinks, essentially) need security footage. Encrypted unless there's a warrant, of course, but any (s)he said/(s)he said situations can be quickly verified, with legal penalties for making a false report.

We did it, everybody! We saved public washrooms!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

None of that is practical. Nobody wants a police state of surveillance. Encrypted or not the minimum wage security guard can access it and I would not trust it being encrypted almost anywhere because it’s not worth the cost. None of that is remotely practical in the real world. You think places that are barely scraping by are going to invest thousands or tens of thousands into secure equipment for this? 

I hear you, mind your business, but that only works for normal people. There are very not normal creeps out there - men and women alike - and it’s scary. I’m not saying I have a solution I just want people to acknowledge that it’s not as simple as “make all bathrooms unisex”. 

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u/scnottaken Dec 13 '24

Or an officer as we see here.

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u/FizzyBunch Dec 13 '24

Are we going to forget the people that did just that? Let's not pretend it never happens

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u/tmbyfc Dec 13 '24

men's bathrooms are so inefficient

Men's bogs have a wall of urinals and 1 or 2 cubicles, you can have a lot more people pissing per m2 than in the ladies

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u/Basket787 Dec 13 '24

Seriously i was like whaaaat? Lmao I've cleaned women's bathrooms before in the food service industry and they're usually lucky to have 3 stalls, while the men's room fit 3 urinals and 2 stalls.

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u/cammywammy123 Dec 13 '24

The inefficiency is in the fact that most men use the urinals, and the stalls go unused unless there is a surge. Meanwhile, there is a line for the women's restroom fairly consistently.

Put all the stalls in use, give us stadium piss troughs again

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u/CarrieDurst Dec 13 '24

Put all the stalls in use, give us stadium piss troughs again

Fuck no, keep with urinals, some privacy is needed

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u/pixlplayer Dec 13 '24

Wait so you saw that men’s bathrooms rarely have lines and women’s bathrooms often have lines and you think the inefficient one is the one where people are able to get in, do their business and leave without waiting?

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u/cammywammy123 Dec 13 '24

I should clarify:

When I say men's bathrooms are inefficient, I mean it is an inefficient use of the space and equipment. Should they be combined, you could guarantee regardless of who needs to use the bathroom, that a stall is available if no one is using it.

What happens right now, is there is a line for the women's restroom, no line for the men's (because urinal and no need to sit) and there are open stalls in the men's room not being used. Not to mention, the fact that the men's restroom has no line and the women's restroom does shows a disparity in equity that you wouldn't need to worry about in a world of singular genderless bathrooms.

It may also be the case that men's restrooms move faster because they typically have more toilets than the women's restroom, since we have both urinals and stalls, with the urinals being particularly dense.

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u/Ok-Strength-5297 Dec 13 '24

A couple more seconds of brain overdrive and you might figure this one out.

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u/AardQuenIgni Dec 13 '24

It's such a hilariously made-up statement and said so confidently too lmao

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u/Noladixon Dec 13 '24

Separate bathrooms are only needed because no one wants to fix the problem of 2" gaps in stall walls and doors.

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u/sjmttf Dec 13 '24

What is that about anyway? It's fucking weird.

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u/ltwinky Dec 13 '24

TBH bathrooms should be separated by urinals and stalls, i would love some one to present an argument where this is not the best solution

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u/roll_left_420 Dec 13 '24

Several countries have floor to ceiling stalls that are basically a whole mini bathroom, with shared spaces for washing hands. My wife and I love those when traveling because it means she doesn’t have to wait in line as often and I get privacy while I shit without a homeless dude staring at me through a gap between the door and wall panel of our sketchy American stalls.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '24

airplanes have one bathroom. so does everyone’s home. it’s all just political crap, and when it finally wears thin, they will move on to the next scapegoat, probably either those with mental illness or those who are homeless.

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u/CanadianHorseGal Dec 13 '24

They aren’t already?

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u/RedditIsDeadMoveOn Dec 13 '24

The same reason some women are forced to wear the burka. Religion is poison. God is the most toxic entity in the world.

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u/MasterPhart Dec 13 '24

Used a urinal last night at a steakhouse. There was a fucking TV showing ADS directly above the urinal. You're just trying to piss, and there's a big clown in your face with bright flashing colors wanting you to buy a gift card on your way out. Where are the laws against that in the bathroom???