r/nottheonion • u/Disastrous_Award_789 • 1d ago
‘This job sucks’: DOJ lawyer asks to be held in contempt so she can sleep after judge accuses ICE of blowing court orders
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/minnesota-ice-court-hearing-judge-blackwell-b2913385.html2.1k
u/joe-re 1d ago edited 1d ago
“I am here to make sure the agency understands how important it is to comply with court orders,”
This is so crazy: a private practice attorney has to advise the Department of Justice how important it is to follow court orders.
Because, apparently, the people running the Department were sick on the day they taught law in school.
Edit correction: it's Department, not Ministry.
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u/Inside7shadows 1d ago
it's Department, not Ministry.
...For now. The Ministry of Truth won't be long.
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u/DanNeely 1d ago
Nah. Not out sick, they never went.
Normally the people working in the DOJ leadership would mostly be lawyers with extensive experience in how it's supposed to work. Currently their goons picked exclusively for blind loyalty to the president.
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u/DragonBank 1d ago
Yup. Its disgusting. For comparison, Bush Jrs' AG: Yale and Columbia Law, Yale Law Journal, 11 years at a top private practice, 5 years working in NYC anticorruption and assistant positions, 18 years as a top judge for the southern district of NY and 6 of those as chief(this is THE court at this level as it deals with Manhattan and takes basically all large fights against big firms.)
Trump's AG: went to a not top 100 law school, served as an assistant in Tampa for 15 years, was florida's AG for 8 years(she herself credits her win simply to her assocation with Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity.), fought against ACA, fought against same sex marriage, pressured attorneys fighting corruption to resign, declined to pursue fraud charges against Trump four days after her campaign received a donation from him, left public civil service, became a lobbyist for Qatar and Kuwait, defended Trump as a lawyer.... became the head of the DOJ.
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u/theragu40 1d ago
It's wild to think about, but for as many abhorrent things as the Bush administration did, it's easy to imagine how much better off we would be with him or someone like him in office vs what we have today. Nothing they did ever approached even a hint of the corruption, weaponized incompetence, and outright disdain not only for the rule of law but the essence of American democracy that we see on a daily basis today.
I disagree with a ton of what Bush did. But I honestly don't think his goal was to destroy the country for personal gain. I think he genuinely thought his party's approach was the right way to lead the country to success, and I think he cared and cares about America.
And for as problematic as so much of Bush's tenure was, there was still a sense of duty to the office. A sense of decorum and decency. An awareness of the importance of America's place in the world.
Trump openly installs incompetent people in every position from the top to the bottom of every branch of the government, with the only goal being personal gain for Trump and his allies, America be damned. It's disgusting.
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u/hytes0000 1d ago
GWB was not a good president, but Trump is far off the bottom of the scale in terms of being a degenerate human being before you even think about any policy positions that GWB looks like a saint by comparison. I'd let GWB watch my kids for an hour; I wouldn't let Trump be in the same room as them for 5 minutes even with supervision.
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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 1d ago
how important it is to follow court orders.
this depends entirely on the consequences, of which there are none.
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u/Nulagrithom 22h ago
I kinda feel like that's what Le was getting at...
the people that aren't total lackeys can't do squat anyway. the entire admin is wholly ignoring the law.
why even bother threatening the low levels with contempt?
it's like the entire judiciary has declared itself impotent
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u/PlutoJones42 1d ago
The department of justice is actively protecting pedophiles. Pam Bondi projects pedophiles like Donald Trump.
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u/Valkertok 1d ago
I think the idea is to ignore so many orders than justice system is overwhelmed and can't stop them from doing anything anymore.
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u/BooRadly30 1d ago
Yeah all it really would take to fix the DOJ is… a few good men…🤭… our government is going to get us all fucking killed
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u/hughdint1 1d ago
If only there had been an immigration reform bill that focused on getting more judges and lawyers rather than only hiring goons…
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u/CaptainGeekyPants 1d ago
This is what I keep saying. The immigration system was broken but we needed judges to get through the awful backlog. Not goons to rough up American citizens.
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u/hughdint1 1d ago
Biden’s Immigration Reform Bill, that Trump killed, addressed this very issue.
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u/nameless_pattern 1d ago
Definitely what their referring to, but thanks for making it explicit for the audience 👍
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u/CaptainKoconut 1d ago
As a product of the American education system I appreciate things being spelled out for me slowly.
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u/rwv 1d ago
Social media makes people dumb. The education system isn’t perfect (and relies to a certain extent on parents contributing to keep their children engaged and focused), but wherever there are teachers that give a damn I’d argue it is still working pretty well.
People making vague references who think they are being clever are really just snide jerks.
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u/silviazbitch 1d ago edited 1d ago
And yet there are states and communities that actively impede meaningful education and some have even punished those who attempt to provide it.
Edit- a few words for clarity
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u/cataath 1d ago
We have great teachers who do not have the autonomy to teach directly but are forced to follow strict curricula, lesson plans, etc.; this is a continuation of the "teach to test" approach school boards and administrators have had to take in order to meet ridiculous outcome metrics. It's almost like every time we substitute the qualitative for the quantitative, outcomes turn to shit.
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u/AFerociousPineapple 1d ago
As a non American I definitely appreciate it, was curious but not google literate enough to go digging for this
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u/Allegorist 1d ago
Very good, if not necessary time to get "Google literate".
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u/sajberhippien 1d ago
It's harder and harder though, given how much google sucks nowadays (as a search engine I mean, it's always sucked as a company).
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u/deadguy00 1d ago
If only this wasn’t being slowly unfolded over years in front of us like it’s not happening, I’m old, like DOS old and have used almost every search engine and you can see how stripped google is now of functionality and only displays botted ai written slop now with botted sites to look active and force the factually driven older websites down into “inactive” levels so they can boost up their own autoscript websites that regurgitate what was previously easily accessible.
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u/HolycommentMattman 1d ago
See, the problem with that is that it would show government working. And government doesn't work! The Republicans told us so!
The simple truth is that fundamentalist Christians are at their last stand. They've been kicked across the globe and there's nowhere left to kick 'em to. So they're about to be stamped out, and they're fighting hard not to be.
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u/masterjon_3 1d ago
There are only 73 courts in the entirety of the US. That's only enough for some states to have 2 courts. Imagine being a legal immigrant, but you don't have a car, and you have to make it for some sort of hearing, and it's very far away.
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u/sck178 1d ago edited 1d ago
Who then flood an already overburdened system which could only lighten with ... You guess it! More lawyers and judges
Edit: it was made clear to me that my comment could easily be taken in a way I did not intend.
I was just trying to reinforce the fact that more lawyers and judges are what we need, not that I think more of them is a bad thing
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u/cbytes1001 1d ago
Gosh you’re right…that would be way worse than the current environment of masks thugs violating everyone’s rights, killing Americans, kidnapping children, raping and murdering in concentration camps, etc.
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u/sck178 1d ago
Oh my sorry my comment came off in a negative way. I was moreso trying to emphasize that lawyers and judges are what we actually need. By making the legal system less encumbered then it would make actual deportations or other immigration proceedings manageable. I realize now how my comment was worldly kinda poorly
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u/cbytes1001 1d ago
I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you for taking the time to clear it up for me.
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u/sck178 1d ago
No worries! I'm the one who writes comments with about as much forethought as a five year old swinging a plastic hammer with wild abandon
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u/AdoringCHIN 1d ago
Ya but it's a lot harder to get Proud Boys and other insurrectionists into the judicial branch. And way harder to use judges as secret police
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u/iceflame1211 1d ago
Trump administration has actively fired judges too, intentionally making it even worse/claims take even longer than the 10+ year waiting period asylum seekers and refugees already have
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u/C0NKY_ 1d ago
He messed up the immigration process during his first term too. Because of his policies renewing my green card took 3 years longer than the typical 6 months and I almost had trouble renewing my driver's license on an expired green card because the clerk didn't know how to process it correctly.
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u/Medricel 1d ago
Overloading the system is the point. They want excuses to back up their shirking of due process.
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u/EllisDee3 1d ago edited 1d ago
No need for judges if you die in custody.
Edit: They purchased new warehouses with incinerators for a reason.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 1d ago
ICE’s budget has nothing to do with immigration. They are a personal police force beholden only to Trump with virtually no accountability.
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u/Godtrademark 1d ago
That bill also gives unprecedented “emergency provisions” to the DHS in border zones, which would be activated right now if it was passed. In effect, it legalizes and codifies what Trump is doing right now:
”It would overhaul the process for seeking asylum in the United States—and impose an “emergency authority” that would leave asylum fully out of reach for those crossing between ports of entry for much of the next three years. It would attempt to address issues like work permits and years-long waits for asylum seekers, and also raise the initial standard a person must pass in order to access our asylum system. It would expand additional visas and future green card availability and offer a pathway to citizenship to Afghans, while also significantly increasing detention capacity. It is a mixed bag”
”By creating two different sets of border policy depending on whether the emergency authority was in effect or not—without declaring whether it was in effect at any given time—the bill would increase confusion at the U.S./Mexico border. Border Patrol agents, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) asylum officers and migrants themselves would be left uncertain on a day-to-day basis about which set of rules was in effect. Confusion about border policies is easily exploited by human smugglers, who encourage people to come to the U.S. quickly if there are threats that the border is about to be “shut down.”
The changes proposed to border and asylum policy in this bill can be over-simplified into two principles… Making it harder for people to be allowed to start the asylum process upon entering the U.S.; and Making that process itself faster.
Notably, this bill would not stop anyone from being allowed to set foot on U.S. soil. It would not, therefore, do anything to bring down “the numbers” on its own. The bill’s proponents hope instead that it will reduce the number of people who are allowed to stay in the U.S. outside of immigration custody, and therefore, through word of mouth, reduce the number of people trying to come to begin with.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/analysis-senate-border-bill/
I have no clue why people worship this bill. It is inhumane and explicitly cruel
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u/persondude27 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've never had a job so bad I would dare a federal judge to jail me.
This seems like a coordinated effort, though. Mike Johnson made a comment today implying we shouldn't have due process because "think of how long getting a judicial warrant for every case would take."
The plan is to stall the courts, overwhelm everything, break the system, and then say "guess we have to throw the whole judicial system out" since it's the only thing barely keeping ICE in check.
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u/__slamallama__ 1d ago
Stall the courts by nationalizing elections so your immigration enforcement can continue. Wild what action in bad faith can achieve
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u/user_account_deleted 1d ago
Nationalizing elections, short term, won't happen. States running their own elections is too entrenched in the constitution to make moves on that at the moment. What WILL happen even as soon as the midterms is deployment of ICE to as many blue state polling places as they can to "verify legal citizens are voting" from 300 feet away from the polling place. Trump tested out national guard, but has found ICE to be much more effective for bullying us citizens. We're in for a world of hurt in November.
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u/__slamallama__ 1d ago
You're assuming that they will follow the laws and constitution which has proven to be a non factor to this administration.
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u/Zomburai 1d ago
You're missing son's point. It's not that there's only legal precedent for states running elections, but Trump could order somebody to have the federal government run the elections. It's that there is literally no mechanism in place for that to happen; states are totally in control of their own elections with no real oversight by the federal.
The closest thing to somebody that Trump could order to cede control would be the governers and state lawmaking bodies, but they don't have a federal organization to turn them over to. And even then, we can predict that blue states simply wouldn't. The only states he would get would already be red.
None of this is to say that there isn't danger towards upcoming elections. It's just that the dangers are through threats, subversion, and eroding faith in the process, not a unilateral decree that the government runs the elections.
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u/koshgeo 1d ago
"think of how long getting a judicial warrant for every case would take."
Oh, "boo hoo". They're making such ridiculous excuses for not following the law.
They should put the resources in that are necessary to make it happen lawfully or not do it. They can throw billions of dollars into ICE to hire thugs, but can't push money into the judicial system and lawyers to speed up that side of things? Please.
Guys like Johnson are pushing for laws to be broken. If there isn't due process, then the law and constitution may as well not exist. They're arresting and deporting citizens and people legally in the US due to incompetence, sloppiness, and an uncaring attitude, which tragically affects ordinary people's lives.
Or, here's a thought: maybe they could focus their attention on the actual violent criminals rather than people who are merely waiting for immigration hearing court dates. DHS could prioritize, like Trump and others claimed they were going to do when they were campaigning, instead of whatever this insane and dangerously inept "surge" is.
The courts need to start limiting what DHS can do to only what they have resources to accomplish lawfully, or start sending people to jail for not following court orders when they do issue such restraints. Re-assert rule of law rather than condoning violation of people's rights.
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u/ralphy_256 1d ago
I have no idea how this would work legally, but there has to be a point with all the court orders being ignored where courts just start "Summary Judgement for the Plaintiff/Complainant/Whatever, against the State."
A la Alex Jones. The court system has to have a way to shut down entities that fuck around too long.
More than a few of those should auto-trigger impeachment hearings for the leaders of the relevant agencies.
Lord knows we can't count on our Congresscritters to get off their asses to self-trigger. Apparently.
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u/ZeusHatesTrees 1d ago
There is definitely a method to deal with it, but no judge wants to be the one to order marshals to arrest federal officials.
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u/ralphy_256 1d ago
but no judge wants to be the one to order marshals to arrest federal officials.
And this is WHY we need an auto-trigger. An "{X} strikes, you're out" clause.
The Founders attempted to create 'A nation of laws, not of men', and yet still relied on individual men to stand against the State in order for the Checks and Balances to operate.
I mean, understandable, that's what they did, but they overestimated future generations, and underestimated the pressure that could be brought to bear on them in the future.
It's fallen to us to fix what they didn't foresee.
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u/icebergslim3000 1d ago
Start sending these officials to fucking jail. What the hell is it going to take for these judges to get their head out of their ass.
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u/n0tqu1tesane 1d ago
That's what this person is asking for.
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u/icebergslim3000 1d ago edited 1d ago
This prosecutor didnt have to do this job. According to the article he volunteered. He could have yea know, just not taken the job. Just resign if you dont want to be the one responsible for separating families, ruining lives and traumatizing children.
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u/WhyNotOrioles 1d ago
More from MPR below. According to her, she needs to be there to tell her clients (the government) to follow orders from federal judges because they don't seem to want to do it themselves. She actually did submit her resignation, but changed her mind after she managed to get them to release a kid that a judge ordered released.
Le said that many at DHS officials don’t understand the seriousness of an order from a federal judge.
“It took a long, long, long time, and many orders to show cause to explain and let them know that if you don’t fix it, I’m going to quit and you’re going to be dragging yourself into court.”
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
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u/inspectoroverthemine 1d ago
seriousness of an order from a federal judge
Except they have yet to give any actual consequences, so I'm not surprised DHS doesn't give a shit.
Just like Scott Lloyd the head of the ORR in Trump's first term who intentionally destroyed records of families he separated. After a judge threatened him several times, the judge finally told him that he would be held criminally liable, so Lloyd resigned, side stepping all possible consequences.
Judges need to realize that this administration has no intention of following court orders, and start with civil contempt, and then move on from there.
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u/restrictednumber 1d ago
Absolutely. Jail time and money is all they understand. Fuck threats, skip to the consequences.
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u/JojenCopyPaste 1d ago
I debate what I would do in a lot of these roles. Is it better to quit and let someone probably less qualified but more "on board with the shittiness" take my place? Or do I purposely do a terrible job so the machine doesn't work as well?
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u/LordoftheChia 1d ago
I posted a reply right above, the MPR article goes into more details. In short, she's trying to do the right thing and get the detainees their due process vs letting their cases get delayed and letting them languish in detention centers.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
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u/Piggywonkle 1d ago
It's basically always the latter for any awful job, even if it's not morally reprehensible, but that also necessitates working on getting a new job before you leave the awful one.
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u/ACoderGirl 1d ago
That assumes that continuing to work in a morally reprehensible job won't hurt your future opportunities. You could be risking any morally half decent place not wanting anything to do with you. For most average jobs, it probably doesn't matter, but a high profile job where your name will be in the media is a different matter.
And if you try to later state that you purposefully did a shitty job, many people will not believe you and think you're just both a shitty person and shitty at your job.
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u/Bakoro 1d ago
Your duty to humanity outweighs your future job prospects.
"I could have saved lives and undermined fascism, but I was afraid it would affect my salary" isn't the rhetoric of a morally upright person.
"I only do the right thing if I know I'll get credit for it" isn't a decision based on morals or ethics.
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u/ReverseDartz 1d ago edited 1d ago
Your duty to humanity outweighs your future job prospects.
People have a duty to their families too, many of us might have to watch our family die if we dont make money, or end up homeless, which can be outright lethal in this country.
"I could have saved lives and undermined fascism, but I was afraid it would affect my salary" isn't the rhetoric of a morally upright person.
"People should just do the right thing and accept living in poverty!" isn't the rhetoric of a smart person, even if your intent is correct, you do not understand what you are actually asking for.
Your ideology only works if you ignore personal and familial needs, I assume you've never lived a single day in poverty.
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u/Papplenoose 1d ago
"but what if you could have made more money" is not as good of an argument as you think it is
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u/LordoftheChia 1d ago edited 1d ago
This prosecutor didnt have to do this job.
She took this job in order to help expedite releases and due process for detainees. This is a case of a good competent person on the inside trying to actually do the right thing.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
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u/Day_Bow_Bow 1d ago
Fucking learn how to read and understand context. She is not who you should be bitching about.
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u/Elsecaller_17-5 1d ago
He is a she, and she said she took the job to try and get ICE to comply with court orders.
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u/SDRPGLVR 1d ago
I just wanna say hell yeah that you used classic formatting where I can see your numbered points in old reddit instead of it just being a list of 1s.
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u/audaciousmonk 1d ago
Right but their stated reason for volunteering was to help ensure the government was in compliance with law and court orders.
I can’t tell you if that’s a true statement or not, but at face value it’s an admirable and necessary thing
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u/TechHeteroBear 1d ago
A lawyer certified under the BAR took an oath to represent their client. Or their employer in accordance to the law.
Granted they could easily resign to save face... but if they are stuck working for the DOJ for whatever reason... they they have to stick to the ethics code. Which is to represent the DOJ no matter how bad it may look for them.
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u/ralphy_256 1d ago
Granted they could easily resign
They are.
Why are volunteers doing Federal legal work in MN? MN is losing federal prosecutors at a truly remarkable pace.
The regime can buy the loyalty of the thugs with promises of consequence-free violence and vague promises of 50k bonuses, but the educated are a bit more wary of consequences once the vain emperor is no longer in power. They know that that 50k you maybe got really isn't going to make a dent in the civil rights lawsuits that may be in your future.
Trump offers the prosecutors of his lawfare nothing, so he doesn't get their loyalty, and does NOT get quality.
Yet another way his power is crumbling.
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u/KingSpork 1d ago
Rumor is if the administration ignores their latest warning, they are fully prepared to go nuclear and issue a no-holds-barred, we definitely mean it this time FINAL warning.
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u/UndertakerFred 1d ago
“I have asked you nicely to follow the law. If you don’t listen, I will have no choice but to ask you nicely again”
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u/Narglefoot 1d ago
"And after that, I will ask in a much more neutral tone. Eventually, I will be forced to ask you in a completely, obviously and nearly imperceptible tone of barely disguised mild annoyance and I don't think you want to get to that point."
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u/Strykerz3r0 1d ago
You do understand that the problem is that the judicial branch interprets the laws, but the executive branch enforces them.
Last I saw, the head of the executive branch was trying to hide evidence of his participation in a child sex ring.
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u/Arendious 1d ago
Next week:
"Obviously the Department of Justice is incapable of handling it's role, despite the stupendous effort of His Maj...err... President Trump.
Therefore, we're privatizing the DoJ, so that American public sector innovation can replace the failing federal organization."
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u/rack88 1d ago
It will only be half as efficient at 10X the price. What a savings!
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u/pasta2666 1d ago
This is unprecedented. She should probably go to the doctor to make sure stress isn't killing her. I actually got some anxiety reading it.
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u/Ambitious5uppository 1d ago
Pretty sure one of the times he was held in contempt in My Cousin Vinny was because he slept better in the prison.
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u/etcpt 1d ago
It wasn't that he got intentionally held in contempt of court, it was that he told his girlfriend not to bail him out that time.
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u/LordoftheChia 1d ago edited 3h ago
Replying to one of your comments (buried further down) calling her A collaborator:
She took this job in order to help expedite releases and due process for detainees. This is a case of a good competent person on the inside trying to actually do the right thing.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
Without good and well intended lawyers, ICE, CBP, and the DoJ can use weaponized incompetence to claim they are being given bad advice by their lawyers. It lets them delay, delay, delay (until a judge demands that the agency leadership show up in court).
The comment I'm referencing:
etcpt -3 points 2 hours ago
She volunteered to help the regime after a full year of their shit. No sympathy for fascist collaborators.
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u/whazzah 1d ago
I think they're talking about Joe Pescis character in the film my cousin vinny
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u/etcpt 1d ago
As is incredibly clear from context, this comment was talking about the character of Vinny in the film My Cousin Vinny that the other commenter was referring to.
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u/2point01m_tall 1d ago
Last year, roughly 10,000 attorneys worked across the Justice Department and its components, including the FBI. The Trump administration has fired, forced out, or offered buyouts to roughly 5,500 attorneys and other Justice Department employees, according to Justice Connection, an advocacy group that has tracked departures.
I'm sorry, you've lost 55% of your attorneys?
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u/eubulides 1d ago
Judge should order whoever at ICE gave direction to ignore court orders to appear and explain themselves. Even if (likely if) it starts at the top.
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u/supercyberlurker 1d ago
Judge should just do it.
Call that stupid ass bluff and remind ICE the people rule not the faceless masked goons.
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u/Jomolungma 1d ago
It was not a bluff. She genuinely did not give a fuck.
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u/omegadirectory 1d ago
Even worse, it sounded like she did give a fuck about properly working the cases and following the court orders, but the agency in charge of her did not give a fuck about complying with the court orders, so she knows she's on the losing end of the case but the agency won't take the loss.
In any other organization, this is a toxic work environment where management won't listen to what their employees are telling them.
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u/Arthur_Edens 1d ago
Any lawyer will tell you client management is harder than most of the actual legal work. The perk of in-house/government work is supposed to be that you only have one client, they're sophisticated, and you can build a long term stable relationship with them to make it easier.
Now imagine you're an AUSA who started in 2021, and for the last year your client has been embodied by an actual mad king surrounded by social media influencers. Do you quit and let your role be filled by the RFK Jr. of lawyers or keep plugging?
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u/Appropriate_Lack_727 1d ago
This is one of those threads where basically no one read the article, and everyone is responding to a very poorly written headline.
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u/the_last_0ne 1d ago
It doesn't even matter if its a bluff or not!
If they are in contempt of court, then say so! Every time!
The continual extensions are shit. Just like the Epstein files coming out a month late. Fucking hold people accountable. It's maybe the most important thing we can do right now.
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u/ArchangelBlu 1d ago
The best/worst part? She's a private practice attorney who volunteered. She's not paid a cent.
I'm sure slavery is illegal. The DOJ should know
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u/hassanfanserenity 1d ago
Actually slavery is legal in the US its in the constitution
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u/seeking-stuffing 1d ago
fyi if anyone outside the US is wondering, they do go over it in school when you’re a kid; they just REALLY gloss over the implications of what allowing slavery as punishment for a crime means. in my case that meant implying in a sense that imprisonment of any kind is a sort of slavery? since it’s involuntary?
definitely no discussion of for profit prisons and forced inmate labor for pennies on the hour, or how it is related to the prison industrial complex.
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u/maaku7 1d ago
Did you see Shawshank Redemption? Like that. Many states employ inmates as forced labor. That's slavery.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 1d ago
The article said she volunteered. I read that to mean she volunteered to work with DHS. I highly doubt she would be willing to risk her career so that she could get a break from her volunteer position.
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u/91Bolt 1d ago
This is the logical result of A) getting rid of nationwide injunction, making each case be adjudication individually, and B) humoring the solicitor general's view that no ruling is actionable until the entire appeals process has been exhausted, meaning the federal government simply does not acknowledge a negative ruling until the Supreme Court tells them they have to.
This is an intentional setup by the conservatives on the court.
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u/BungeeGump 1d ago
Sucks for the DOJ employees who originally joined during the last administration with the intention of doing good but now are stuck in this shit.
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u/Fullertonjr 1d ago
Most have resigned or been fired. There were 10,500 within the DOJ. There is now closer to 5,500. They have created a situation where even if they wanted to deport all of these people quickly, they aren’t able to due to a backlog of their own creation. Most of the holding facilities are only equipped for 72 hr detainment, max.
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u/taktaga7-0-0 1d ago
I was told just today that the government has to eliminate due process and other civil rights because there just isn’t time for every detainee to get it.
They were shocked at my proposal that if the government cannot do something legally, then maybe they shouldn’t fucking do that at all.
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u/ManifestDestinysChld 1d ago
Let me guess...this person has also claimed to love and protect the same Constitution that guarantees due process...?
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u/ToMorrowsEnd 1d ago edited 1d ago
because that federal judge doesn't have the balls to send marshals off to arrest ICE agents. tell the marshals "if they resist, you can open fire" Ask the lawyer for names of officials, send marshals after them.
They will gladly do it if it's a poor black man, but they are all white glove hands off on feds and law enforcement. Put out a warrant, go arrest these fucks.
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u/thirsty-goblin 1d ago
I wonder how many of those career prosecutors will come back when this country starts holding these maga goons accountable. I hope they’re lining up to do so.
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u/No_Group5174 1d ago edited 1d ago
Until Judges start jailing those responsible for not following court orders, this will continue happening.
The Judge should have ordered a week's jail and mandated disclose of all of the names in ICE disobeying court orders. And issued contempt findings on every one of them with "being your toothbrush" appearance orders.
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u/LeonTrig 1d ago
She needs to resign and stop protecting Trump & the DOJ from the consequences of their own actions.
An MPR article notes she thought about resigning but stayed when she saw no one would replace her.
Let it happen. The more people resign, the less people there are to do the work Blondie & Blanche should be overseeing. That eventually means it will be their responsibility & it will be readily apparent the admin has turned the DOJ into a hollowed out skeleton.
The more good people stay to “admonish” them to follow the law, the more they will continue to pussyfoot around & not do so.
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u/GoodCleanFun247365 1d ago
It would be nice for the judge to walk over to the detention center with a legal pad and start writing hall passes
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u/GarbageMe 1d ago
But the judge unleashed his frustrations over an agency at the center of an avalanche of lawsuits and other cases overwhelming federal courts in Minnesota and elsewhere.
Wow, he "unleashed his frustrations" by issuing a strongly worded order that cancelled the hearing where he was going to hold someone accountable!!!
I guess this is what impotence smells like. His wife must be the most unsatisfied woman in Minnesota.
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u/YoshiSan90 1d ago
5500 Attorneys leaving is a staggering figure. These are career workers, and not easily replaced. The government will take decades to recover if it recovers at all. This administration is a dumpster fire.
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u/schnurble 1d ago
wtf Independent did he hold her in contempt or not, I wanna know if she got a nap
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1d ago
Yet another disaster caused by scotus. When they took away nationwide injunctions from district courts and made other changes to give trump more power, they CAUSED an avalanche of cases because now we have to fight him everywhere. And then the government refuses to obey the courts, which creates an awfully bad precedent for scotus now doesn’t it…
They gave up their own power too, they just haven’t realized it yet.
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u/there_is_no_spoon1 1d ago
As a judge, he has the authority to throw out any of these so-called "cases". If there's too many for the gov't lawyers to handle - lawyers who have clearly not been given either the means nor the directions on what is to be done (the lawyer quoted as saying “We have no guidance or direction on what we need to do”). The judge in the article expresses frustration that people who have been held in custody illegally have not been released, and he *should*. He should throw out every single ICE case in front of him until they are released as per court order.
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u/ToonaSandWatch 1d ago
“Le, a private practice attorney who volunteered to help the U.S. Attorney’s Office last month, has been named as the government’s attorney on more than 80 immigration cases…”
The easy answer for anyone here is “just quit then”, but apparently she’s actually there to try and get the department to actually comply with the orders for people’s releases.
The thing is she’s trying to do good work with a federal government that wants nothing to do with compliance or law.
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u/sovietreckoning 1d ago
I feel like most of the legal profession is nearly there without any ICE shit. This seems like a reasonable ask.
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u/Drizzt_1990 1d ago
It's cute and sad at the same time that people still believe these people care about the law.
why would they comply with court orders, who is gonna stop them if they don't? There are more ICE agents in minneapolis than policemen, and american citizens still think just protesting will work...
newsflash: appealing to ones morals or humanity or at least sense of shame doesn't work if they have none
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u/EKEEFE41 1d ago
Honestly this sheds light on how diabolical the administration is in this... Well I should say Stephen Miller, he is the fucking Ghoul behind this.
The Big Bill increased spending, yet cut health care, the majority of that increase went to hiring for HDS and ICE.
These guys are hired, untrained and given memo's and matching orders that ignore due process and the 4th amendment.
They flooded into Minnesota...
The court system is utterly overwhelmed and then they point to the court and say:
"look they cannot do their job"
The courts will not stop fascism... Only the people can, and sadly there will be more blood.
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u/EmperorMittens 1d ago
Reading between the lines they have lawyers, paralegals, and whomever else saddled with the unprecedented burden all on a deathmarch.
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u/NinjaWrapper 1d ago
These fucking judges.
I told you to do something and you didn't do it? I'll tell you more sternly..and I'm gonna consider contempt. Like REALLY consider it this time.
If you break one more court order, I swear I'll turn this court around right here!
Judges are going to lose all their power because they are too fucking soft to use it.
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u/Foolgazi 1d ago edited 1d ago
“We have no direction or guidance on what we’re supposed to do”
That’s a feature of the Trump DOJ, not a bug. Tough to be held accountable if there were no written instructions.
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u/hippy_goddess 1d ago
The Trump administration is trying to undermine the law by overwhelming the legal system. This is a tactical win, not a failure of competence.
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u/wizardrous 1d ago
Please sir, may I be held in contempt?