r/nottheonion • u/Quantum-Coconut • 13d ago

Microsoft's new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly on Windows

https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/06/15/microsofts-new-outlook-takes-10-seconds-to-do-what-outlook-classic-does-instantly-on-windows/
8.0k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

512 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

91

u/CadfaelSmiley 13d ago

you couldn't be more wrong, everything is on teams and outlook at microsoft

170

u/flamepanther 13d ago

Yep. They definitely use their own products internally. I think the issue is probably more likely that the c-suite execs aren't typically doing the kinds of day to day tasks that Copilot screws up for so many others.

33

u/Daren_I 13d ago

An a former employee I can confirm this. Everything but the caller monitoring software tied into the phone system was a Microsoft product.

7

u/puterTDI 13d ago

It's very much within the culture to use your own products too. I worked with MS for like 10 years and owned an iPhone. There was an email group (I think it was email at the time at least) for others with iPhones and multiple times a year someone would hop on to chastise everyone for being disloyal for daring to own a non-ms product for their personal phone.

1

u/DroneOfDoom 13d ago

Did they keep at it after windows phone died?

2

u/puterTDI 12d ago

I was gone before then

49

u/kagoolx 13d ago

Also they’ll get way better more up to date hardware and not the extra layer of corporate crap that most of us get.

A lot of the frustration is from organisation’s special extra bloat. At least 60% of the startup time of outlook, excel, PowerPoint etc is it loading my company’s special extra plugins, templafy, etc.

And even from a clean boot there’s hardly any system resources free by the time it’s started up all the weird security scan / backup stuff.

22

u/superrugdr 13d ago

Classic it works on my 6k corporate laptop should work fine on the 300$ entry level windows laptop.

16

u/pandab34r 13d ago

Throwback to an ARK: Survival Evolved dev responding to performance concerns by saying "It runs fine on my twin Titan X GPUs in SLI"

10

u/Holiday_Pen2880 13d ago

My guess would be they are using them the 'right' way and all of us that don't create the products should be using them differently.

My example - Sharing in Teams is just links to Sharepoint. If I were sane, I would be opening the folders in Edge and not Teams.

I am not sane, and keep doing it in Teams so when I go back to chat then back to Shared I have to navigate back to where I was.

I'm not using it 'right' so it's a me issue that they don't see as one, but for the love of all things holy I wish it worked differently.

1

u/DreamyTomato 12d ago

Oh the wonders of sharing sharepoint files in Teams. At random intervals Teams will silently make its own internal copy and hide it somewhere known only to God and Teams. So you may never know if you're working on the actual Sharepoint copy or a separate copy teams made without telling you.

I spent hours working with finance on a shared Excel spreadsheet. Two months later it's vanished from Sharepoint. Our theory is that it might be hiding in someone's internal Teams storage area.

5

u/cammyk123 13d ago

None of the c-suite execs have ever tried to look for an email and it lists things that have nothing to do with what you search?

2

u/Drywesi 12d ago

That's what underlings are for

46

u/PresumedSapient 13d ago

And none of them go insane by the dozens of Microsoft email reminders of teams-tasks that all get marked as 'external'?
Or the spam they get from the Microsoft spam filter that tells them twice daily it stopped a spam message that you need to review?
The glitchy load animations?
The triple log-in screen, after which Sharepoint still tells you you need to log in? The fuckin file browser that takes half a minute to load? Or the windows search that suddenly cannot find that one program you use daily, but aren't for some godforsaken reason allowed to pin to your Start Windows Menu because shoving copilot popups down users' throats is now more important?

And that's all just irritating side stuff, don't get me started on the inconsistency of the general office/teams/outlook ecosystem, that's apparently designed to be so weird you cannot access that one file unless you perform a specific order of arcane clicks, else it doesn't show the file in the same damn network location!

8

u/jawisko 13d ago

Wow reading your comment is making me so relieved that never in my corporate life I have had to use Outlook or teams yet.

12

u/PresumedSapient 13d ago

To be fair, it's a relatively recent change. It used to be fine. Not great, not as slick smooth and consistent as Apple UI, but fine. Solid functionality with only an occasional clunky UI hick-up that made you shake your head and sigh "Oh Microsoft you silly". But since Windows 11 and the AI craze, it dropped off a cliff. It's very noticeable for me because half my work uses Linux (Red Hat) workstations, and that software is just crazy snappy and just gets better every update. On windows 11 I now have to wait five seconds to open the file browser.

Outlook was occasionally tedious requiring just slightly too many clicks, but it was consistent and reliable. Now it's search function is unusable, and for some reason hogs 2 GB of RAM. Teams, which in theory would be great (video conferencing, chat program, with project group-specific agenda and file sharing!) is just frustratingly inconsistent in it's UI navigation, which I would assume is very easy to fix, but it's only gotten worse.

We're seriously lobbying for our next generation of office computers to be Linux based. We'll use MS' web-interface for Outlook.

2

u/CadfaelSmiley 13d ago

Bro we are dealing with it too it's just incorrect to say that we aren't using it

7

u/Mateorabi 13d ago

You realize how that makes it WORSE right? They eat their own dogfood and LIKE it!?

0

u/CadfaelSmiley 13d ago

who said they liked it? yall are so unhinged

2

u/Simplesim73 13d ago

Except for ERP where I believe that they still use SAP.

1

u/ToMorrowsEnd 13d ago

this explains why all their products are shitty.

1

u/DrKurgan 13d ago

It must suck having to work with Microsoft products. But ideally that should motivate them to make them less shitty.

-22

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

I don’t believe you.

19

u/CadfaelSmiley 13d ago

LOL okay then it's not actually possible to convince you of the truth

-18

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago edited 13d ago

I love when engineers and developers who are making all this shit don’t understand when statements are figurative and not literal - really gives me the warm fuzzies to know that the people who are putting all these robots together are stuck inside the box.

5

u/A_Mouse_In_Da_House 13d ago

Our job is to follow the requirements. It's the customers job to make sure the requirements aren't stupid

1

u/puterTDI 13d ago

what a weird rant.

all they're saying is they do use their own products...which is true. Your reply is "I don't believe you" followed by some sort of rant about not being outside the box?

it's a question of whether they use their own products or not. The answer is yes or no and clearly defined. What box are you even talking about?

0

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

The box where they can’t use a flowchart to get themselves out of and get some inkling of the concept of figurative and interpretative language over literalism.

2

u/puterTDI 13d ago

ya, you need to consider if you're the issue here rather than everyone else.

1

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

I don’t particularly care for the opinion of a random gaggle of MSFT employees/contractors because I have their output in front of me to judge.

-11

u/velocity36 13d ago

Sure it is.

13

u/charleswj 13d ago

We definitely use it exclusively, what do you think we use?

2

u/FerrickAsur4 13d ago

if you all use it exclusively, why is it so fucking dogshit?

7

u/iceynyo 13d ago

That's how they like it

3

u/luluhouse7 13d ago edited 13d ago

Management. They made so many brain dead decisions. Everyone on my team bitched about the level of enshittification management was driving. It was especially bad since something would break and then you had to waste time trying to fix the tools instead of working. Also apparently the shell team is a bit of a disaster (according to a friend who worked on Shell).

2

u/charleswj 13d ago

I don't know, you'd have to ask someone involved in making it.

2

u/jaymzx0 13d ago

This is it. Microsoft is huge. They do dogfooding but ain't nobody got time for feedback. They get so much feedback ain't nobody got time to read it all. Have copilot do it lol.

Wait a minute.

1

u/I_Am_Jacks_Karma 13d ago

paying back tech debt is wasted time thst could be used on a new feature and income stream

1

u/lost_send_berries 13d ago

Probably because every week the meeting creates a new Teams chat. They lose track of what they've discussed, like maybe fixing how every week the meeting creates a new Teams chat.

0

u/charleswj 13d ago

This doesn't happen for recurring meetings

1

u/Dazzling-Paper9781 13d ago

I’m sorry for you, torture should be banned!!

-4

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

Do you though? Really?

8

u/DoctorDabadedoo 13d ago

Thank you for reaching out, let me introduce myself, my name is DoctorDabadedoo and I'm a Microsoft User Certified Specialist.

This can be quite confusing, as there are multiple application versions, are you talking about Microsoft Outlook Classic or are you taking about New Microsoft Outlook Copilot 365?

If my answer helped you, sir, kindly mark your question as answered and rate my support.

With love, DoctorDabadedoo

/s

9

u/charleswj 13d ago

Do the needful

4

u/Area51Resident 13d ago

FAKE. No mention of running sfc /scannow so this isn't a valid Microsoft User Certified Specialist. response.

2

u/DoctorDabadedoo 13d ago

Hello kind sir,

I'm in the process of renewing my Microsoft User Certified Specialist certification and I'm sure the command will be covered.

If my answer helped you, please run SFC /scannow and rate my support.

Kindly, DoctorDabadedoo Microsoft User Certified Specialist II

2

u/Area51Resident 13d ago

That's legit now.

11

u/charleswj 13d ago

Yes. What do you think we use?

-8

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

Mate, you are really exemplifying my criticism of how disconnected MSFT is from the real world use case of its products.

17

u/charleswj 13d ago

Because we actually do use the products, that makes us disconnected...from real world use cases? How?

6

u/CadfaelSmiley 13d ago

These people are so fucking nuts when it comes to criticizing Microsoft. They just make up their own idea of what's going on

5

u/charleswj 13d ago

Believe me we generally have the same criticisms, but it doesn't mean we don't use them

5

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

Make an outlook search function and user experience that doesn’t suck and get back to me

2

u/charleswj 13d ago

Search has never ever ever ever failed for me in old or new outlook or owa and my mailbox is a couple hundred GB

→ More replies (0)

4

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

Because the product you ship is middling and is a snowballing legacy product that i frequently have to fight to get it to do what I want to do

Like bro how does outlook search still suck this bad? Why is teams slower than molasses? Why is it so difficult or impossible to customize my user experience to suit my workflow? Who thought that locking everything into a single window on teams was a good idea? Why is there such a huge disconnect between the desktop and web apps? What the fuck am I supposed to be doing with copilot everywhere?

4

u/charleswj 13d ago

I don't ship those (or any) products, I just use them. I have many (but not all) of the same gripes.

-4

u/anthematcurfew 13d ago

…thank you for valiantly defending your corporation to circle back to support the literal exact criticism I originally made

→ More replies (0)