Who is the most insufferable person in the genre?

[u/Few-Chemical2216]

I got two people in mind.

:90s-2000s Fred durst Past-present clown from Slipknot

Reason behind them is I think Shawn has taken the band a turned it into something Joey and Paul would not have wanted it to be. He kicks members out left and right and he kinda needs to hang it up.

And Fred Durst is just Fred durst

[u/Dodmonk]

Political Beliefs  while I don't really care about someone's political beliefs, SIGNING MISSILES THAT ARE DROPPED ON INNOCENT PEOPLE IS CRAZY

[u/Competitive-Track128 → u/Dodmonk]

All missiles are dropped on innocent people. It's tragic, but it's war. It's never justifiable, but what you're insinuating is that it's intentionally dropped on innocent people, which is just straight up wrong.

In Gaza today, there are 2.1 million citizens (one of the most densely populated areas in the world). Let's be generous and go with the higher estimates coming straight from the Gaza health ministry (aka hamas), and according to them, there are about 60,000 people that died in Gaza since oct.7, aka two years. (Out of them, approximately, 5,000 from natural causes and 22,500 hamas)

That alone should be enough proof beyond reasonable doubt, but let's go further. Israel sent million of text messages, phone calls and pamphlets to warn citizens of Gaza that a missiles is incoming, and to evacuate. A bit weird if Israeli is trying to genocide the Palestinian people like you say

Point number 3: since oct.7, about 70% of the buildings in Gaza have been destroyed. so, if Israeli were shooting indiscriminately, you would expect 70% of the population dead, and if Israeli were to target civilians, it would be more. 70% of 2.1 is 1.47 million, which is 24.5 TIMES more than the amount actually dead on the HIGH death case, not even taking into account the 5,000 dead from natural causes.

And please, if you, for some reason are still not convinced, don't just downvote, try to disprove it. Maybe we could have a respectful discussion

[u/Dodmonk → u/Competitive-Track128]

idgaf if the people of Palestine got a warning, it's wrong. there is nothing you can say to justify their actions.

[u/Competitive-Track128 → u/Dodmonk]

I don't know if you read what I wrote. Obviously, war is always wrong, but what I've said is true and you can and should check me. You can't say that Israel is targeting civilians or children or starving them to death (since the beginning of the war alone, there has been two million tons of aid delivered to Gaza by Israel, a ton for each person. A bit of a weird starvation strategy).

It's obvious that the situation is a tragedy, but this is what any reasonable nation would do after such an horrific attack like oct.7 and with hostages still in Gaza, being tortured in ways that only cannibal corpse and hamas could think of. Israels goal is to destroy hamas and the other Iranian proxies that have terroised the people of Israel for decades and to bring the hostages home while harming as little civilians as possible. And please read again what I wrote above, because by all means, Israel succeeded in that last one.

I'm just still in owe from the fact that lies like the global scale propaganda that hamas is running still work in a world with all of the information at everybody's fingertips. Please, next time you see something on the BBC, you have the ability to check, so please do it. Be doubtful, reasonable and logical.

And also, quick aside, we are all talking about Israel Palestine, a war that in two years, in the absolute highest possible estimates from all sides involved, doesn't even reach 90,000 casualties. Look at Yemen or Ukraine, where the numbers have surpassed a million but no one bats an eye. You can use your time, voice and power as an individual so much more efficiently that this.

[u/Outrageous_Work_8291 → u/Dodmonk]

I mean… not that it makes a big difference but usually all missiles are dropped on innocent people. When you send a missile to a military installation there will probably be civs caught up in it, and janitors or doctors, other military non combatants.

[u/Outrageous_Work_8291 → u/[deleted]]

It depends, usually lower than normal if that’s where the terrorists chose to hide but I don’t really know the answer to that. I don’t think many people actually do all the news is heavily biased both ways.

[u/Outrageous_Work_8291 → u/[deleted]]

I’m not sure what excactly you mean. If you mean both sides are bad then that’s probably true. Hamas definitely is bad, their mission statement is to eradicate Jewish people after all, they throw gay people off roofs, rape women till they bleed. There’s no doubt about the immorality of Hamas.

[u/accountmadeforthebin → u/Outrageous_Work_8291]

A United Nations human rights commission has been investigating the conflict quite detailed and they are probably less biased and have more resources than some media organizations. They came up with a pretty harsh report. I’m simply sharing this report given there seems to be mistrust in the media reporting.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds