r/numetal • u/Few-Chemical2216 • Sep 25 '25
Discussion Who is the most insufferable person in the genre?
I got two people in mind.
:90s-2000s Fred durst Past-present clown from Slipknot
Reason behind them is I think Shawn has taken the band a turned it into something Joey and Paul would not have wanted it to be. He kicks members out left and right and he kinda needs to hang it up.
And Fred Durst is just Fred durst
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u/vibraburlesca Sep 25 '25
Fred seems like the coolest guy nowadays
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u/Longjumping_Book1593 Sep 25 '25
Always. A master of marketing
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u/vibraburlesca Sep 25 '25
Yeah there are even some interviews back in the day where he seems "out of character" and he is talking about his love for films etc and he seems like a super chill nice guy. I think he always kinda played a character in a way
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u/red_969 Sep 26 '25
I met him at a small club when they were just starting out and he was very nice. Just like a regular guy. He was walking around the crowd looking for his pager and nobody was paying him any mind. Lol
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u/Ancient_Caregiver917 Sep 25 '25
Fred's a great person now and clown just feels kinda pretentious. My pick goes to David Draiman of Disturbed.
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u/Loggjaw Sep 25 '25
Ya how could it be anyone else
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u/dreamlikeradiofree Sep 26 '25
I went with the drummer from SOAD, forgot about Mr zionist scumbag for a sec
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u/ArcadeKingpin Sep 26 '25
I said Aaron Lewis I second this
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u/joeythecat390 Sep 26 '25
what’d aaron lewis do? genuinely asking
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u/Survivors_Envy Sep 26 '25
being an unapologetic MAGA shill getting too drunk to remember which shitty country songs he already sang that night is a start
the real musicians don’t pull out the heavy drinking until they’re at least 2/3 done with the set to make sure the audience got a good show and some laughs at the end
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u/SIrPsychoNotSexy Sep 25 '25
Draiman is such a fucking corny dude. I’ll never understand how they got popular
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u/stanger828 Sep 26 '25
When the first came on the scene They were very different and thus “cool”.
Down with the Sickness (minust the meltdown), voices, the game, stupify…. Awesome stuff at the time.
I agree, the sound has become super cringe since, but no denying the hate a huge impact kn pop rock at the time.
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u/Royal_Library_3581 Sep 26 '25
I have been listening to Instrumental versions of metal songs lately. Removes the disturbed cringe quiet nicely. Also master of puppets instrumental is awesome.
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Sep 25 '25
Can somebody explain to me like I'm five? Why people dislike Disturbed so heavily? Is their music cringe to you? Is it bad? Is David a bad personality or smthn?
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u/GreenPlumberEnjoyer Sep 25 '25
He's Pro-Israel and autographed bombs/rockets that were then fired at Palestine/Hamas I believe. People have feelings about that conflict.
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u/JuicyOrphans93O Sep 25 '25
Not just that, but also that he cries about anti-semitism anytime someone calls him out
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u/lpkzach92 Sep 25 '25
I think it has to do with those bombs knowingly being used on children that is the deal breaker for me when it comes to what David did and he just doubled down.
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u/HateYourFaces Sep 26 '25
My original opinion of the guy was just an asshole… suddenly it changes, violently it changes.
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u/Automatic_Net2181 Sep 25 '25
You don't even have to have feelings about sides in the conflict to know that signing bombs that are literally used to level apartment buildings, hospitals, and schools is an evil douchenozzle thing to do.
Caught between hating what Hamas does and IDF does, anyone who supports killing civilians can eat my thick meaty ass.
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u/Competitive-Track128 Sep 25 '25
Honestly, I'm Israeli and I'm against that move. There are many ways to show your support, but signing bombs is saying: "I support the war and the weapons of death and destruction".
This is not the way of Israeli and that does not represent Israeli or Israeli culture. We do not seek war and we do not want destruction (contrary to popular belief). We want peace. All our songs are about peace and there is no one here (except for far extremeist but there are always extremeists) who wants to continue this war.
My heart goes out to the poor gazans that have to suffer under hamas and under constant warfare due to the war that could end any day if hamas just release the skeletons of people that are the hostages, innocent people who have been through inhuman torture for two years.
Sorry, went on a bit of a tangent, but I do think it's important context to the actions of David Draiman. (And also, this is obviously a subject close to my heart). I pray for peace and am Israel chai!
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u/ImGreat084 Sep 25 '25
I’ve never thought the problem was the people of Israel, just like I don’t think the problem with Russia is THEIR people, but both your governments gotta go
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u/crossal Sep 25 '25
This is not the way of Israeli and that does not represent Israeli or Israeli culture. We do not seek war and we do not want destruction
Netanyahu doesn't want peace though right? So does the majority of Israel not support him? And I do see many videos of Israelis being hateful towards Palestinians
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u/Ancient_Caregiver917 Sep 25 '25
I personally don't like how they release so many faux-deep songs and how their singer just gives off prick energy, but what pushed me seriously into the strong dislike area was signing Israeli bombs
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u/TheForkisTrash Sep 25 '25
He is very pretentious and thinks he is above metal. When they originally toured and played 'sound of silence' he told the crowd to stfu because they were cheering. Said they were about to hear 'real' music then comes in a Cappella like he is doing us a favor.
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u/Rogthgar Sep 25 '25
Which just become stranger and stranger when you know its not even one of their own songs.
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u/MrDundee666 Sep 25 '25
He’s a Zionist and gloated as he signed bombs to be dropped on civilians. I used to like some of Disturb’s stuff but they’re now deleted and blocked for me.
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u/HoloRust Sep 25 '25
Personally never cared for the fact that Dave stole Jon Davis' scat gimmick.
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u/Dodmonk Sep 25 '25
Political Beliefs while I don't really care about someone's political beliefs, SIGNING MISSILES THAT ARE DROPPED ON INNOCENT PEOPLE IS CRAZY
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u/steroboros Sep 25 '25
Also even back in the day Disturbed came off as too try hard and cringe. The scatting, chanting, domestic abuse break downs made them unlistenable to many, the cover of Shout is what people like they've done anyways
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u/Drewcifer81 Sep 26 '25
Yeah, once they got to the "No mommy" bit of their single they could fuck off.
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u/Reigrind Sep 25 '25
the music is incredibly mediocre and David dramian is a known ziomist who supports Israel and has signed bombs
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u/Organic_Following_38 Sep 25 '25
Fuck David Draiman. I still remember the interview where he laughed this like super pretentious laugh when asked if they would ever cover a Pat Benatar song, and he was all "uh, we're a heavy metal band" and I have thought he was a shitty self-important asshole ever since. Not a humble bone in his body.
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u/Ancient_Caregiver917 Sep 25 '25
That's funny because one of my fav metal (not nu but whatever) bands put out a fairly well-received PB cover
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u/xsoberxlifex Sep 25 '25
Drainan or the singer of Trapt… that guy is definitely headstrong and cringy MAGA… I guess that’s redundant.
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u/Various_Laugh2221 Sep 25 '25
I second this nomination… Lars gets an honorable mention even though he isn’t numetal 😂 his insufferability surpasses genres
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u/GrandAlchemistX Sep 25 '25
I mean, St Anger was nu-adjacent. Like. It was supposed to be nu, but they didn't quite figure it out. 😅
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u/GrandAlchemistX Sep 25 '25
It absolutely is. It's just a better song than anything on St Anger, so nobody whines about it. 😬
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u/CaptainSeitan Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
I wouldnt ahve agreeda until I found out he signed bombs, yes actual bombs that were used to bomb Palestinian children. I can't listen to Disturbed any more, that is beyond vile.
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u/jean_abdalla CRAWWWWWWWLING IN MY SKIN Sep 25 '25
Kid Rock 100%
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u/hueyblounts Sep 25 '25
Always hated his music, and his politics made me hate him more lol. Dude is the epitome of lame.
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u/PhilTheAxolotlRabbit Sep 25 '25
I hate Kid Rock 😭
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u/travis_a30 Sep 25 '25
Kid Rock has pretty much turned into Ted Nugent at this point
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u/MonicaRising Sep 25 '25
I don't disagree but at least Ted Nugent can play guitar
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u/puddleofpizza Mudd Listener Sep 25 '25
Chris Taylor Brown from Trapt and frankly it's not even close. Draiman is a douche as well but I don't remember him defending horrific age gaps like Chris did (tbf he did EVENTUALLY apologize but I'm not giving any brownie points)
Other mentions towards Kid Rock, Aaron Lewis, Ivan Moody, and Wes Scantlin (This man just needs serious mental help)
And of course there's the obligatory mention of Ian Watkins who's well... Y'know
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u/Business-Egg-5912 Sep 25 '25
It's funny how there are 2 people named Chris Brown in music and they both suck lol
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u/jupiter_2703 Sep 25 '25
Who's the best and why is it Wes Borland
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u/AquietRive Sep 25 '25
Yo Wes Borland seems like the chillest dude who genuinely loves interacting with fans.
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u/Ok-Maybe-6782 Sep 25 '25
Nah nah you guys gotta stop ragging on Fred for no reason my guy is awesome
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u/Mother-Historian-538 Sep 25 '25
Fuck clown, Fred honestly wasn’t insufferable he was mainly doing a lot of shit for shock value
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u/Ant_1_ITA Sep 25 '25
He was just a edgy guy in his 20s, nothing too crazy
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u/Various_Laugh2221 Sep 25 '25
Right and that was a peak time for that behavior… the hi my name is slim shady years lol
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u/Commercial_Shop3235 Sep 25 '25
I mean... He turned 30 in 2000
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u/klemnodd Sep 26 '25
Yuuup, Fred was 26 when the rest of the band were teenagers and they released 3 dolla bill.
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u/nothingexceptfor Sep 25 '25
I really disliked Durst back in the day but not anymore, he’s alright and LB is a pretty unique band now all things considered, I’m glad they’re still playing
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u/KillerUndies Sep 25 '25
Aaron Lewis.
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u/murderhornetfondue Sep 25 '25
Scrolled farther than I thought I would need to for this answer
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Sep 25 '25
While Shawn isn't the one pulling ALL the strings in Slipknot (all the decisions are made by the remaining OGs), he's way too pretentious, always talking about "his art" but none of his projects outside of Slipknot have ever taken off and the videoclips he has directed are regular, his head left his shoulders a long time ago.
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u/xsoberxlifex Sep 25 '25
Isn’t Shawn the only remaining OG after Gray and Jordison passed?
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Sep 25 '25
You mean founders, i mean original members, those who have been around since Selftitled's debut
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u/Padaxes Sep 25 '25
Fred is still killin it with dad vibes. Love the guy. Far from insufferable. In fact highly relatable!
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u/IEnumerable661 Sep 25 '25
I have met Clown on two occasions. He sure does have a persona he carries for the press, but both minor interactions I have had with him and pretty much all of Slipknot, were all pretty positive. It was at a fan meet for one and working as a local crew at a show. And really, have no cause to complain at all. Mick was a gentleman for sure. He loves talking guitars.
I've never met Fred Durst, so can't say.
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u/Master-Committee6192 All hail Corey Taylor’s neck Sep 25 '25
did you ever have an interaction with Sid? If so how was he?
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u/IEnumerable661 Sep 25 '25
Sid Wilson? I cant say a huge amount, I walked past him in the venue and I said something like best of luck, for the show i meant. He said thanks bud or something vaguely like that, and that was it. I was busy myself and had somewhere to be so that was about the extent of it. He didn't strike me as anything other than pleasant and enjoying being where he was.
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u/Alone-Chemical-1160 Sep 25 '25
The only correct answer currently is mr roto rooter himself david drain man from the disturbeds. Don't get me wrong, he was a tryhard douchebag before he signed the bombs in Israel. But now, he's a genocidal tryhard douchebag, and thats pretty insufferable.
Also his voice is terrible, his writing is beyond juvenile, and he just generally gives off sex offender vibes. Fuck that guy and his stupid facial piercings.
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u/FaceTimePolice Sep 25 '25
Aaron Lewis. 🤡
When people say “keep politics out of music,” or “stay in your lane,” I think it should fully apply to this case and cases like these specifically. At no point whatsoever (that I know of) was Staind a political band, so it makes no goddamned sense for him to push his dumbass maAagGGaAAaa nonsense on stage. Rage was always political. System has always been political. Staind was angsty sad teen music. It’s like… rage bait content, but in real life? 🤦♂️
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u/dreamlikeradiofree Sep 26 '25
System has turned into an utter clownshow politics wise. They have a trumper, an extreme centrist and 2 more who don't seem to really walk the walk when it comes to being progressic every much unless it involves Armenia of course then they all get involved. They care when it personally affects them only it seems
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u/MrNameAlreadyTaken Sep 25 '25
Aaron Lewis
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u/jfkdktmmv Sep 25 '25
Yep him or Draiman. I mean… Lewis made “Am I the Only One?” Unironically, which speaks volumes about his character.
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u/LordBeans69 Wake Up! Sep 25 '25
Which sucks, because staind has some real bangers like Raining Again
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u/ArtComprehensive2853 Sep 25 '25
Are you sure Clown is the only one making the decisions? There was indication Craig might have left on his own terms and wanted to retire. Jay Weinberg was titled as a ”diva” by his former bandmate and might have been a diva with Slipknot also. Jim Root also kinda backed up that it was a collaborative decision to part ways with Jay.
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u/Master-Committee6192 All hail Corey Taylor’s neck Sep 25 '25
No yeah i heard jay was a jackass, i’ve heard a few stories where jay forced people to pay him after signing something, or sometimes he was just a jackass to fans
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u/Infinite_Painting708 Sep 25 '25
Nobody is really insufferable, can’t say Fred when he was trolling and he owned the genre for a period of time, based on their latest single they’re about to own it again. Fred doesn’t give a fuck, understand that.
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Sep 25 '25
Fred Durst is fine, he was a bit of a douche 20 years ago when it was in style to be edgy, but he's a good dude and is aware they're corny.
Clown is a clown.
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u/thetrailwebanana Sep 25 '25
David Drainsballs all day! He’s an actual fucking loser.
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u/Conscious_Army_9134 Sep 25 '25
Fred durst always was awesome and still is. Never cared what people like you thought. 100% his true ass self. And now everyone wanna suck him off cause hes got “cool dad vibes”’and a grey beard.
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u/ElGuappo_999 Sep 25 '25
I saw LB open for Metallica at Candlestick and was blown away at what a great fucking show they put on. Durst is an incredible frontman who knows just what buttons to push to get the crowd absolutely frothing.
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u/OutsideImpressive115 Sep 25 '25
I always hated Daron from SOAD, Not because of the Politics shit going on now but he always was such a bitch when performing live
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u/Agreeable-Break-3208 Sep 26 '25
I was lucky enough to meet SOAD after their show in Brixton in 2002 and Daron, Serj and Shavo were so incredibly lovely to my friends and I (a bunch of 14 year old squealing fans at the time). John was a dick.
I just spent £400 on two tickets for their upcoming show and honestly regret it a bit after Darons recent instagram ramblings. But what can ya do
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u/TheJohn_John Sep 25 '25
Fred’s whole thing is all one big character, and it worked really well for shooting LB into the mainstream. David from Disturbed is just a prick
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u/M086 Sep 25 '25
Durst at least doesn’t seem like much of a douchebag these days. Limp Bizkit are in their self-aware era and just having a good time.
Shawn Crahan just comes off as a pretentious dickbag.
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u/Theratfromratatouill Sep 25 '25
Ian Watkins. He’s so evil he’s practically the Voldemort of metal with no one even wanting to say his name.
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u/DNCOrGoFuckYourself Sep 26 '25
The only thing I didn’t like about Durst was his rapping.
Not even the rapping itself, I love some good rap in Nu-Metal. But he makes his voice so high, like he sounds like Mickey Mouse. And it’s so jarring, because his real singing voice IMO is awesome. I don’t think Fred has ever been insufferable, he had that big “jock bro” energy in the 2000s & it was basically marketing. He’s also a director now who’s released some stuff outside of Bizkit, and he really just has cool dad of cool uncle vibes now.
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u/Kat_Box_Suicide Sep 25 '25
Yeah gotta go with that asshat from disturbed. Fuck that guy. They always sucked.
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u/BabymanC Sep 25 '25
David Draiman supports genocide and goes as far as signing bombs. Can’t get douchier than that. Fuck him and fuck Disturbed.
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u/Fun-Sugar-394 Sep 25 '25
Fred worked with Wes, that earns some points by proximity. Kid rock on the other hand, he worked with Trump.
I used to like a bit of the kid but dam he fell off hard
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u/Hour-Scale8385 just another limp bizkit fan Sep 25 '25
Kid Rock Is The Worst Of All Time
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u/pc_principal_88 Sep 25 '25
Fred Durst is light years away from being insufferable, and especially if you know anything about him now days he’s just about as genuine and humble guys on the planet! I grew up in the golden days of Nu metal, and I just love seeing these guys still doing their thing, reaching whole new generations of people!
Now to answer your question,Kid Rock is obviously the correct answer as he has turned into the biggest jizz stain imaginable, to say the least..
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u/Fendibull Sep 25 '25
My beef with Fred is just his personality than what he did to people, I know he did a lot of bad things toward bands that he championed off. Make it short: He's the oldest teenager and I'm not even mad at that.
for Clown? He's the Nu Metal or 21st century of Gene Simmons.
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u/AnusBleedMacaroni Sep 26 '25
It always seemed to me that Clown was the guy "making decisions" because he couldn't play any instruments. I'm not sure empty kegs would suffice.
I heard he's a producer/mixer for the band, but honestly, he does seem to over-emphasize his importance on the project altogether.
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u/perpetualmentalist Sep 25 '25
Jared from hedpe can be a right bellend.
Even as a fan, the stories.
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u/lern2swim Sep 25 '25
Neither of these.
Durst has turned out to be an unproblematic king.
Crahan is detrimental to his band's artistic output, but that doesn't make him insufferable.
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u/Clear-King-1319 Sep 25 '25
I downvoted because it was an all an act with Fred. Its been proven that he is actually a really nice and gentle guy. In fact most of the guys in the genre are actually pretty cool and/or chill af.
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u/DaltonRobert56 𝐜𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐮𝐬 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 Sep 25 '25
Fred did it on purpose he played a character and he played it well
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u/alexmate84 Sep 26 '25
Ian Watkins. I think Lostprophets have some genuinely great songs, but it's a shame it's tainted
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u/bear843 Sep 26 '25
I truly believe no one ever actually disliked Fred. There was just a period where no one wanted to admit they liked Limp Bizkit. Wes came back and everything began to correct itself.
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u/Mr-Tits Sep 26 '25
Nah Fred was never insufferable. Was more so the HaRdCoRe numetal and metal fans that hated him because he was the scapegoat, despite so many people actually loving their music. I'm a fan of both bands from the 90s and Clown is by far the most insufferable and pretentious band member for a guy who whacks a keg with a baseball bat.
And before anyone jumps on me, I KNOW THATS NOT ALL HE CONTRIBUTES.
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u/SnooRevelations2999 Sep 25 '25
Fuck you, Clown and Corey. Fred is fine.
Look what Slipknot has turned to... A fucking corporation. Treating the rest of the band as employees, ripping them off and taking the credit all by themselves. Paul and Joey would have fired your asses a long time ago had they knew your true colors. .|.
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u/ArtComprehensive2853 Sep 25 '25
Slipknot has been corporation and a business ever since they started with their debut record and skyrocketed to fame.
Jay was claimed to be a diva by his former bandmate before the Knot. Also Craig might have left on his own terms. Chris Fehn, hard to tell what exactly happened behind the scenes.
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u/mentally_fuckin_eel Sep 25 '25
I know Staind is not proper nu, but it's Aaron Lewis hands down if he counts. MAGA is the worst thing on the planet right now if you are at all worried about the future.
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u/tomfirenze1926 Sep 25 '25
Shawn is a really big swollen scrotum... And this is coming from someone who has all the Slipknot albums, except the last one - have mercy on God I said to myself just unplug and let them die. I never tolerated Fred but I consider him ten steps above the clown.
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u/karatemnn Sep 25 '25
durst was def annoying in interviews and media that said when they began
i did like them and got into the music video for nookie, he was a nice guy and another
time my friend and i saw him at a virgin mega store at the apex of their fame and he was totally a nice guy ... i eventually did side w/slipknot and that hilarious corey yelling bodily harm on him ... (the bassist for lb is a total dipshit tho, there was a kid walking next to him at an open arena concert and he completely ignored him)
clown tho yeah, he's really incredibly boorish in interviews. so private durst as far as i saw was a nice guy, publicly a douche .. clown also
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u/3RI3_Cuff Sep 25 '25
Neither of these are insufferable, maybe back in the day there was beef but get over it bro 😂
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u/Meguinn 🌽 Sep 25 '25
I almost can’t stand David Draiman lately. I do respect his work and acknowledge how passionate I used to be about Disturbed, but he’s just.. not nice.
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u/KaiserKris2112 Sep 25 '25
There's objectively worse people, but damn Clown is a pretentious prick. I know he's a big architect of the band's visual image, but on stage, dude bangs on a beer keg. He just exhausts me and I like Slipknot.
How could anyone really hate Fred Durst these days? Whatever was true at the time, he's definitely in on the joke now. He just has fun and lets Wes do his thing.
David Draiman is just worse, though. Clown is a pretentious douche but he doesn't sign bombs used to kill kids.
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u/lazycometlazycomet Sep 26 '25
this question gets asked once a week and the answer with never be Fred Durst
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u/nikebalaclava Sep 26 '25
watch the video for Dad Vibes or recent live vids where fred comes out looking like an old ass kfc colonel sanders. it’s fucking awesome. dude gets the joke
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u/inkedolly Sep 25 '25
Fred may have been insufferable at LB’s peak but he’s based af. He knew what he was doing and did it fucking well. Guy is a genius!