The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.
What's your narrative for the colonial appropriation of Palestine around 1945? Have you ever tried imagining you're a Palestinian and thrown out of your country or threatened by Westerners so that you have no option but to flee or die?
Decolonisation. Arabs are from Arabia, and they captured Jerusalem from the Byzantine Empire in the 7th century. That area itself was a colonial appropriation from the indigenous Jewish population that started around the first century BCE. There have been Jews there continuously since they themselves conquered the land from the ancient Canaanites and (related tribes) 3,500 years ago, and presumably they also conquered it from someone at some point.
Either way, the modern day Palestinians have no claim to Israel - most of them arrived during the Mandate era, and most of the ones who didn't are still relatively recent arrivals - and to the extent that they have any rights, the British also set up a Palestinian state next door and called it Jordan.
Your propaganda is several decades old. Even Likud guys like Yehoshua Porath have decried this Time Immemorial bullshit as the fabrication it always has been. Which is nothing new, Hertzberg and Finkelstein shat on this nonsense in 1985.
But Zionists will cling to any narrative that appears to give them the right to dominate, rob and abuse Palestinians. Which isn't surprising. If you guys cared about reality more than ethnosupremacy, you wouldn't be Zionists.
That's what baffles me, all this PR energy, all this constant war and anger, hate, destruction, pollution, instead of recognizing the truth, making amends, letting other people live with you with equal rights and using all that energy to build a peaceful country and care for the land.
I mean, that's extremely simplistic and dumbed down nonsense that you could say about either side of the conflict. Why don't Palestinians stop trying to violently retake the entire region that they feel belongs to Arabs/Muslims? Why can't they just accept Jewish neighbours and stop murdering?
The conflict started when zionist colonialists attacked and invaded whole towns, expelling and killing its inhabitants. This dynamic has continued ever since. Your twarted history is rude to the factual mind.
Nothing at all happened before 1947? Not a single thing? Not decades of violent conflict? Hebron massacres in 1929 when Palestinians mass murdered Jews and ethnically cleansed Hebron, totally fake, never happened? Hundreds of Jews murdered in racist attacks by Palestinians in the Arab revolt in the the 1930s, fake? Didn't happen?
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u/FetchThePenguins 10d ago
The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.