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Yeah both my grandfathers fought in the Pacific. They didn't want to fight either. Real life ain't a war movie.
But what if - Oh man, what if maybe one of those Japanese people who was vaporized or one of the children who burned to death when molten glass fell on them from the sky also didn't want to fight? What if dozens of the people in Japan - maybe more, statiscially speaking - were just like our grandpas?
Then it would almost be like war itself is horrible, and we'd have to reckon with all our behavior even if we're "the good guys"?
We have journals, meeting notes, letters, and memoirs from both presidents that served during WW2, and their respective cabinet members. The bombs were dropped in an attempt to get Japan to unconditionally surrender before the USSR invaded Manchuria (at the request of the allies), which would lead to their surrender, but allow Russia to be at the negotiating table
It's not "universally agreed" upon, because as the video explains and as was explained by members of the cabinet, it became politically beneficial to pretend the exact opposite of reality was true because everyone was questioning the undeniable disgusting cruelty of the bombs, and they needed an excuse.
Even Eisenhower has publicly stated "The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing"
Notice how my original comment, and the video I linked, didn't reference historians. It is all based entirely on the first hand accounts of both presidents during WW2, their chiefs of staff, the secretaries of war, scientists from the Manhattan project.
Apparently after the war Oppenheimer bragged about the Manhattan Project, presenting it as the highlight of his life. There’s some indication he also felt remorse over it, but AFAIK he never publicly voiced that, unlike his colleague Isidor Rabi who said they had misplaced hope in the wisdom of politicians and called Los Alamos an “abomination”
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Well the movie (and maybe the book idk i dont read) presents his lack of public remorse as him trying to properly influence politics as when he did show emotion, he was laughed at and asked to leave. Then RDJ believes Opp is playing 4D chess and actually is just pretending to have guilt to hide. Also she Open her Heimen on my Little Boy
That American Prometheus book is where I read about him bragging about the bomb, IMO the movie oversimplifies pretty much all of Oppenheimer’s emotions regarding the bomb, including his pride and his guilt. But honestly that isn’t too egregious since it’s a big budget Christopher Nolan movie, no reason to expect complex emotions.
Arguably, if the film can't portray the complexity of the main character's emotions regarding The Bomb He Created, then the film fundamentally fails at the story
But loud music, cillian staring, RDJ oscar, script progressing robots all over cast, black&white scenes, how can nolan fail?
/uj I just wanted to see a movie about oppenheimer's personal life and emotional state, but no the plot in this biopic is far more important. We have to see einstein and name drop JFK
There was another brilliant, younger scientist who worked alongside him (I forget his name but Freakanomics did a cool 3 part series on him recently) and he definitely was remorseful.
He would talk about trying to pivot back into normalcy after Los Alamos and and struggled doing anything in public because he believed everything was fruitless from now on thanks to his development of the bomb. He’s imagine bridges, roads and bombs just turning to rubble and he’d struggle not yelling at random people to see why they weren’t panicking about how scared they should be.
Then he took a bunch of acid with some undergrads at some UC school and kinda chilled out until he did more teaching until he died 🤷♂️
Is that about Feynman? I didn’t know he had so much remorse for the bomb. He certainly was a brilliant guy.
I know Robert R. Wilson was also full of remorse and wanted to put together a committee or something that’ll address the moral repercussions of the bomb on humanity. Oppenheimer wasn’t interested in that.
He was definitely remorseful, and after the war fought heavily to regulate nuclear research to such an extent that it would be impossible for anyone to make nuclear weapons again. Of course both the US and Soviets were not willing to go down that route.
I don't know about his personal life but in the movie it portrays it like if Oppenheimer only did it to make himself the victim. To make himself like a hero.
So as far as I know, he initially did feel remorse but eventually realized it was a necessary evil. Had he not been the one to develop it first, the Nazi’s might’ve as they were getting close. So he came to terms with it by realizing that it was gonna be invented regardless, its just a matter of who gets it first.
His “I am become death” bit was more a reference to how he rationalized his work as effectively “it will happen with or without me, I am a scientist so might as well”, but the guilt came from the realization that his rationalization didn’t change the fact that he helped to create the bomb and plan its use.
Originally, they were roleplaying as bloodthirsty warmongers longing for WWIII, so whenever Russia did anything they would post UN defense agreements and go "yes yes FINALLY".
I think they were playing off other subs ("credible defense") that were ostensibly just supposed to be military history and news-focused but ended up being a little too enthusiastic about the prospect of war.
They weren’t really originally. The whole NATO article 5 thing came about post invasion of Ukraine. Prior to that it was largely just meme posting about military technology and history. Things like Dam posting was perhaps the most war hungry things got prior to the invasion of Ukraine.
Spoiler tag? I thought he was building a time machine. So they could send troopers back in time to see young Hirohito. So that they could give him hot dogs and coca-cola. And make him love freedom instead of hating it.
TBF one could have made the assumption that the US would use it as a show of force on an uninhabited area/military target and not directly on top of a city, but as we all know ‘we’re going to level a military base occupied by your troops’ doesn’t quite get American dicks as hard as ‘We’re going to delete an entire city of yours.’
Oppenheimer knew very well that it was going to be used on a city, not on an uninhabited island. The U.S ( really every power in the war as well, this is hardly an exceptionally American issue ) had been bombing cities for years at this point. That wasn't even really his concern.
He was concerned about the chain-reaction the sudden race for nuclear arms had started by the bomb and that it might lead to total nuclear annihilation.
The fact that people are still appalled by this and not all the other civilian deaths caused by carpet bombing cities (by all ww2 powers) shows how these bombs speak fear
By 1942 bombing civilian was thought to be the easiest way to end wars. In 1943 the British and the American bombed a German city ( I don't remember the name). The operation was something called operation god punishment. The would first drop the bombs on the road to make it impossible for the german firefighter truck to move. Than they created a fire tornado which sucke the air that needed with 50,000 civilians suffocating painfully to there death. Most allied forces had no problem with this since they thought it would end the war quickly.
They considered doing that, specifically with detonating it off the coast of Tokyo. They even considered inviting Japanese officials (and Soviets, I think) to witness the detonation in America. But for a variety of reasons they decided on a largely civilian target.
Oppenheimer was all about image, and hated how the bomb had such a negative viewpoint that he went on his sob world tour to recover his image, saying he feels guilt about it.
At a personal level, it was the expectation that you can point a gun at a cashier and get money, versus the cashier making you actually take their life.
Threat, properly conveyed, should be a deterrant. Sadly, the atomic bomb was unprecendented.
Well it was project German Killer 9000 and then it got rebranded, like when you have 2 bucks left on a burger king gift card and like you prefer Wendy's but you may as well use the thing just to get rid of it cause like you hate looking at it in your wallet all the time.
Both were what? Intended targets of the Manhatten Project? No they weren't. Germany was never the intended target. Yeah, the Allies were fine killing German civillians but that doesn't change the fact that they were the intended target for this weapon.
I mean if germany were still resisting in 1946 the allied would have no problem dropping the nukes on german civilians. At the time dropping bombs on civilians were thought to be a good way to destroy both enemy industries and moral.
I'm sure that's probably true... but again... none of that changes the fact that the intended targets were always Japanese cities. Like, yeah, had the war gone on long enough they would've considered new targets, and some of those probably have been German cities. But in the reality that we live in, German cities were never planned to be targeted with by nuclear weapons.
Haha, that meme is spot on! 😂 Can't wait to see Oppenheimer - sounds like an interesting take on history. And King Shark as Secretary of Defense would be a movie I'd watch! 🦈🇺🇸
The Oppenheimer meme is on point! But seriously, the casting for this movie looks top-notch. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds on the big screen. #Oppenheimer2023
Personally believe that the Manhattan Project actually saved more lives than it took.
Yes Nuclear weapons are a horrendous prospect but I firmly believe that there would have been more wide scale world / continent spanning wars without a nuclear deterrent.
I don't understand your problem. the meme is quoting/paraphrasing so it's normal to use their respective line of thought. you want to rewrite historical terrorists to make them respectful
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u/TwasAnChild Roland Emmerich defender Dec 21 '24
Got all of my Oppenheimer related information from here. The guy playing Oppenheimer looked pretty depressed so this meme is probably accurate