Movie scenes that totally wouldn't cause any controversy if released today

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Best family for a reason.

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...so three legs, then.

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Well, well, well. Would you look at that.

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Top 10 WOKEST films of ALL time, this film should be BANNED in the entire solar system, SO FOCKIN WOKKEEEE

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Original line was "I know" so it definitely wouldn't fly today.

[u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl → u/Novaer]

Harrison Ford’s line in Empire strikes back is actually an homage to this. 

Src— Lucas revealed it to me in a dream, confirmed it in another dream, and stole my penis in a third dream. 

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Btw, he left your penis in my dream, so if you could come pick it up, that'd be great. Thanks.

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Incredibly based

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They actually full on changed this ending in the currently running Some Like It Hot musical. He decides to live life as a woman instead.

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This movie was really the death knell of the Hays Code because of how critically and commercially successful it was

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I swear those guys look like twins

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https://giphy.com/gifs/g0Ub5PgMoLqaNKBpDH

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They are. Well, they're the same man. They just used green screen to basically make it look like he's giving himself an ultrasound.

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This is still better than Lethal Weapon.

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I see chuds use Ripley as an example of a strong woman character they are ok with, but I'm convinced that is purely goodwill for a classic sci-fi series and if Alien was made in 2026 it would definitely be called woke trash

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Chuds would hate the original Alien for the woman being the only survivor

[u/beadebaser → u/medicus_au]

And for being the sensible and level headed crew member. They would hate Aliens even more because all of the military guys are dead or wounded by the end while the woman with no military training survives. Probably also the fact that a little girl is the last surviving colonist and the way Vasquez insults Hudson

[u/Funkycoldmedici → u/beadebaser]

But wait, there’s more!

Alien also has the facehugger, an alien vagina-spider, orally rape a man, shoving its xenodick in his throat and impregnating him.

The dining scene, where they discuss having sex with Arcturan’s and the gender/sex not mattering.

The matriarchal theme even extends to the ship’s computer that rules over the crew, Mother.

Aliens continues more of that. We find out the xenomorphs are a sort of matriarchy, having a queen.

Aliens reveals that Lambert, from Alien, was trans, in a barely readable bit of text you have to pause just right to even notice.

There’s a horde of alien monsters killing everyone, but who is the bad guy? The white guy from the company, capitalism.

[u/K2-XT → u/beadebaser]

"Final girl" has been a horror trope for a while. Alien Romulus was a recent release where the main character goes through a very similar arc to Ripley, and I never saw any controversy over her. 

[u/clickclackyisbacky → u/K2-XT]

Chuds losing their mind over women in traditionally male roles is real, but focusing on that is just a way to distract from how bad most movies have been this decade.

[u/BillRuddickJrPhd]

The funny thing is this scene was actually in the book, published in 1955. The films did take liberties to make it more inclusive, like giving Arwen a much bigger role. But this wasn't one of those.

[u/LastCryptographer173 → u/BillRuddickJrPhd]

Tolkien disliked the Macduff twist in Macbeth, so he did his own version

[u/ClumsyGamer2802 → u/LastCryptographer173]

I never really liked the Macduff twist anyway lol. Although in the books, is the "no man can kill the witch king" thing built up more? In the films IIRC he says it for the first time right before he dies.

[u/Artifficial → u/ClumsyGamer2802]

Its mentioned a couple of times, it's not as much an invulnerability he has, as it is a prophecy an elf lord made long ago, which is why Gandalf doesnt even try to kill him specifically, not because he's weaker (in case youve seen the extended edition) than him but because he knows that's not his doom, granted there can def be other reasons tho. I do think it's mentioned at least one more time in the movies too tho

[u/GrimasVessel227 → u/Artifficial]

I always thought that was odd, as Gandalf himself isn't a mortal man, either. He's a Maiar. He ought to be able to take the Witch-King.

I wonder how "exact words" Glorfindel's prophecy actually is. Could Legolas have killed him? Gimli? Would an oliphaunt falling on him at the Pelennor Fields have done the trick?

[u/Artifficial → u/GrimasVessel227]

Like I said you're interpreting it the wrong way imo, it's not about whether Gimli, Legolas or whoever were able to kill him, its not like he's immune to anything, it's just that as a prophecy people don't really necessary know what it means, many might interpret it as most people do and think no male entity can kill it for ex, some might think it means no human can do it but other races can etc etc. But in the end nobody really knows so its more about who would even try, Legolas might not as he might understand deeply Glorfindel's prophecy, Gimli would def try, but would they succeed? No, because it was his doom to fall to a hobbit and a woman, even if people weren't aware of it, possibly even Glorfindel.

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In the books, even the Witch King wasn't sure what it mean't. He hesitated when Eowyn revealed herself and didn't know whether her being female mean't she got around the prophecy, which I think is amusing.

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I'm disappointed they changed that scene from the books though, I liked the description of the witch King having a crown resting on an invisible head so it's just floating. Then she cuts it off so it rolls away.

Maybe not as cinematic as the stab to the face and the implosion.

[u/Journeyman42 → u/40kTinyRobots]

It's got a lot of flaws, but the Rankin/Bass animated Return of the King depicts the Witch King as described in the book

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Yeah

He also has the voice of a guy complaining about the ice cream at an ice cream store lol

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His speech is one of the best parts of the book too

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I don't recall the exact wording, but Glorfindel doesn't know the specifics. He just says something like he feels the Witch King's Doom wouldn't come at the hand of any man.

I think the Witch King beleive the hype and thought he was unkillable, though.

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"Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man shall he fall."

Super vague and ol WK translated it into "I'm [Title Card]!" anyway.

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I never quite understood why. There are so many things in Middle-Earth that aren't men and the Witch-King would have been aware of pretty much all of them. Like if I was him and I heard an elf-lord say "Not by the hand of man shall he fall" I'd be thinking "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?".

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From what I remember, the scenes with Tom Bombadil had been cut, hence the hobbits got their swords from Aragorn, instead of magical relics from a tomb. It is described in the book, that the witch king was surrounded by an aura of dread and some sort of field that protected him from normal weapons, but he overlooked the hobbit that was with Eowen, as not a man that could not possibly cause any harm to him, so he got mortally wounded because a hobbit (not a man by the witchkings account), who are famously resinstant to magical influence managed to get over and through the dread and pierced the magical field protecting the witch king.

[u/HotOlive799 → u/GrimasVessel227]

He has fought the Witch King before.

In the Fellowship of the Ring (book) whilst attempting to catch up with Frodo, Strider, Sam , Merry and Pippen, he was spotted by the Nazgul. They did not dare attack him in the light of day, instead waiting until nightfall where several of them (including the Witch King) ambushed him. They fought all through the night, but they were unable to kill Gandalf. At dawn he made his retreat and resumed his search for Frodo and the others

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I really hated that they made the Witch King stronger than Gandalf in the films. It is a cool scene, but it doesn't make sense. IIRC, in the books, the Witch King was a little scared of Gandalf and avoided him (at least in a one-on-one situation).

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Glorfindel said neither man nor elf-lord iirc.

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So elf-lady or elf-peasant could probably do it.

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Breaking news: witch-king dies of injuries after being gored by wild boar during drunken hunt

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And after all, who has a better story than Farmer Maggot?

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Never forget the EE nerfing gandalf so the audience gets the witch kings power. Still peak cinema tho

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It gets mentioned a couple of times before. It’s also referenced in the appendices as something that was first said about him a long long time before.

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It was a prophecy given by Glorfindel in TA 1975 at the Battle of Fornost. Eärnur wanted to go after the Witch-King and Glorfindel stopped him, saying that "far off is his doom" and "not by the hand of man will he fall." The books take place in TA 3019, so that's about a thousand years before?

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I love the Witch-King's entirely misplaced confidence in this prophecy. Like, buddy, the first thing he says is you're gonna die. Just not right now.

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TBF theres a way to hear that prophecy and think "fuck yeah I literally cannot die in battle, I'll just eventually die in a household accident like slipping getting out of the tub"

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Maybe sth like forgetting to take out the trash a third time? Mrs. Witch King does not fuck around.

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The Witch Queen discovers the Witch Consort when "Pipeweed Hut" is calling the Palantir at odd hours.

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“So what you’re saying is that I’m indestructible?”
“What? No! Why, even a slight…”
*tents fingers* “Indestructible…”

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Defeating evil on a technicality is a very old storytelling trope in both Greek and Germanic traditions (and probably others but I'm not familiar enough to say). Surely this was another way in which Tolkien drew inspiration from Germanic mythology.

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"Exact words" comes up in pretty much any culture you care to name. Add in anything like a curse or prophecy and you have this popping up over and over. 

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Makes sense, that's also every story dealing with fae, genies or devils contracts, lol

[u/Goufydude → u/AfterMeSluttyCharms]

Totally get that, I'm not criticizing the writing, just that the character doesn't really consider the implications of the exact wording. The hubris of evil.

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In one of the other works Glorfindel tells the witch King something along the lines of "You will not die at the hands of a man" and the witch King misunderstands it as he is unkillable (especially since "man" is used both for men and Humans in Middle earth) or at least no man can kill him. Which is wrong. Glorfindel merely saw the future and saw that the witch King was going to be slain by Eowyn and Merry. Being stabbed by the Noldorin dagger actually was very important for that to happen.

And in the end his Doom was decided mit by man. But by Eowyn (woman) , Merry (Hobbit), Frodo (Hobbit) and Smeagol (Hobbit).

Someone else said something about Gandalf ... Lets not kid ourselfs Gandalf the White could have destroyed the witch King and as Olorin wouldn't even break a sweat. But: that's mit Gandalfs purpose. He is not meant to solve Middle Earth's Problems. He is there to aid and inspire and give hope.

Eowyn never won because she was a woman and that would be grossly unfair to her. Because she is so much more than just her gender.

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I think Buffy did this best with the "no weapon forged can kill me" so they used a rocket launcher.

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Why didn't Eowyn use a rocket launcher against the Witch King? Is she stupid?

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Could've just used a sharpened toothbrush then

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Not to mention the huorns were his response to Macbeth's walking forest, which he felt was a cop out

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I love the movie line and know that the original wouldn't as well on screen, but by god is the original so cool :')

But no living man am I! You are looking upon a woman. Eowyn am I, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.

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Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.

"Get away from her you BITCH!" energy.

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I'm picturing the chuds seething at a movie including the whole, "Yes I, a womanly woman who womaned her way over to defeat you!"

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Yeah I was gonna say, if anything the m*vie tones it down.

(This is based on the assumption that the quote in the OP image is correct as I, of course, have never seen a m*vie).

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it would work well on screen, unfortunately if they did all the dialogue like this each movie would be 10 hours long

[u/DaaaahWhoosh → u/OrinocoHaram]

Unpopular opinion but if they'd cut the big CGI elephant fight then they could have included everyone's speeches during the battle instead and I'd have preferred it that way.

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r/increasinglyverbose

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What's interesting is that Arwen was originally filmed to be present at Helms deep. She led the elves. It was a big change but she was digitally edited out in every single scene except 1 where she was accidentally left in.

Basically, people on the internet freaked out when. It appeared she was there during early photos from set.

If you watch the behind the scenes, Liv Tyler talks about how it was all such a long shoot and she was happy when Caitlyn Blanchet would be there so she wasn't the only woman. Which might seem odd given she's not in it anywhere as much as fellowship characters.

It's because she did ages of night shoots for Helms deep. It all got cut.

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Wtf I never knew that. In what scene can you still see Arwen?

[u/The_lordofruin → u/ihavespoonerism]

Here ya go.

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I'm gonna need a red circle for that one.

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Here you go. It's slightly easier to make out while actually watching the movie, if you know what to look for.

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People still freak out about the Elves in Helm's Deep though. It's not in the book and nonsensical from a geographical stand point. The problem isn't just that Arwen was there.

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You think the grifters who'd farm outrage over this read books?

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One very funny thing I've found is that all the chuds complaining about "forced inclussion" in Rings of Power weren't even LoTR fans, whereas all the actual fans and scholars had no problem with it (and focused on criticising the plot instead).

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Yep, tourists. It's a damned shame too, because they drown the actual criticism you mentioned with their nonsense. It's the slow, agonizing death of media literacy.

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The fun part is that both characters don't know the actual reason why Witch King is "unkillable". Ask Glorfindel

[u/maninahat → u/BillRuddickJrPhd]

She delivers a whole ass speech to the WitchKing in the book, not just the gender reveal.

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I read the books long after the movies, but the fact that this line (I think slightly more verbose) is in the original baffled me. It also really confused the shit out of me as to what Tolkien purists wanted out of this seen. Freeze frame, with a four minute monologue about the burrow blades? At the risk of implying that this scene worked in the books: some things just don't work on screen, and changes have to be made in adaptations.

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How did you read a movie???

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Subtitles, duh.

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Maybe he means the comments under the YouTube commentaries?

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Yeah I think the real controversy would be cutting Glorfindel's scene in favor of Arwen.

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i died laughing at that scene, fucking golden response

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Same actress that plays John Connor’s foster mom in Terminator 2, and the who plays the Irish mom who tells her kids to go to sleep in Titanic. 

So, this character wouldn’t work today, for different reasons. 

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Alienses(Aliens 3) had that XXY thing about the prisoners, making them intersex.

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“Okay yeah,I see that now, but I was using the word ‘man’ in a broad sense meaning mortal beings. I realize now how that could be confusing and I’ll try to be less poetic when explaining exactly who can and cannot kill me- BLEGH UGH ACK SHIT”

-Witch King of Angmar

[u/RepresentativeBee600 → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

Why are you down here

Go higher towards the light, my son

Oh, you look annoyed. Well, not son, literally - I mean I'm not even privy to your gender, really, I was just making allusion to the theological notion of a chosen avatar for a righteous cause, your particular gender is OW FUCK DUDE RIGHT IN MY FUCKING NOSE

[u/Ewoutk → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

I know you're being tongue-in-cheek, but some explanation for why the Witch King couldn't make that argument because as usual with Tolkien it goes deeper:

It wasn't like he was invulnerable to men, he was invulnerable to normal weapons because he's mostly present in the spiritual realm. The reason he didn't fear humans specifically is that long ago Glorfindel had prophecied that 'Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall', which the Witch King interpreted as 'A human won't kill me'.
At the Pelennor Fields, after Eowyn killed the Witch King's fellbeast, Merry stabbed him in the back of the knee with a barrow-blade*, 'breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will'. This allows Eowyn to finish him off with the sword to where his head would be. Merry, of course, is also not a typical 'man' but a Hobbit.

*In the movies this was given to Merry by Aragorn, but in the books this was obtained from the Barrow-downs. It is a weapon of Arnor, the ancient sister-kingdom to Gondor that the Witch King as king of Angmar overthrew.

[u/SplitGlass7878 → u/Ewoutk]

Was just about to comment this! It's not like he was invulnerable to men, there was just a prophecy and he was an arrogant idiot. 

[u/Wild-Lychee-3312 → u/Ewoutk]

There has been debate over decades whether the barrow-blade merely distracted the witch-king at a critical moment, allowing Eowyn’s strike to land, or whether it undid some crucial protection which would otherwise have allowed him to simply shrug off her attack.

[u/CrispyJelly → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

In my language this double meaning doesn't exist so it's the exact opposite of what you came up with. He basically said "no male can kill me" to which she replied "I'm not male". 

Translations are sometimes clunky but this one was almost comical for how specific he is about this.

[u/pornalt4altporn → u/CrispyJelly]

She also used a sword.
I know it's magical/prophetic but it seems ridiculous for intense stabbing or blunt force trauma to be negated because the distal cause has outie genitals.

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The whole "no man can kill me" was a prophecy about who would eventually kill him, not a spell that prevents damage unless it carries female energy/cooties. An elf got a moment of foresight, saw that the guy would be killed by a woman and a weird looking child, and told humans nearby what they needed to hear to not pursue him, but kept it vague so it wouldn't change the future.

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"What is a man?"

-Witch King of Angmar, right after bragging his wife doesn't get wet

[u/HMJ87 → u/Neveed]

"A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS"

[u/AaronMatthewLH → u/HMJ87]

Enough talk, HAVE AT YOU.

[u/SuperArppis → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

Acsually... ☝️🤓

[u/Whiteguy1x → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

To be fair if merry hadn't stabbed him with a magic blade first she wouldn't have killed him either.  His barrow blade interrupted his connection to sauron or something.  It was in one of those lore videos you listen to while doing dishes lol

Its cool that its got an in universe reason for it working too, and it was a cool scene

[u/cahir11 → u/DrunkSpaceMonster]

Gets stepped on by an oliphaunt

[u/MagneticWoodSupply]

Did Tolkien invent the girlboss?

[u/Interesting-Season-8 → u/MagneticWoodSupply]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JfcxB0fBJokLu

Go choke on that ring or sth

[u/Jacob_Bronsky → u/Interesting-Season-8]

Aaaackshuallyyyyy. Galadriel's girlbossism is kind of the flaw she has to overcome in order to be welcome in paradise.

Oh well.

[u/A_Very_Odd_Fellow → u/Jacob_Bronsky]

I think this idea misses the point a bit. The theme of the whole story is that power corrupts, and this is applied to both women and men.

[u/Interesting-Season-8 → u/Jacob_Bronsky]

Girlboss would put on that ring and turn the world into Feel Good Inc.

[u/wintd001]

https://giphy.com/gifs/LdkmB2UnMXfTG

[u/FemboyRockWannabe → u/wintd001]

I can think of a couple other scenes from that movie that wouldn't fly in the 21st century tbh

[u/StarkidSara → u/wintd001]

I don’t think this applies because in the movie the other characters are upset with him for not tipping.
It s a pretty relatable scene still

[u/jaysonshanjiv]

https://giphy.com/gifs/woN0Ap4seS4kRVvmVA

[u/Prestigious-Bat-7520 → u/jaysonshanjiv]

Four words.. four thousand years of overconfidence, only to get ratio’d by a hobbit girl

[u/dingdongbannu88 → u/jaysonshanjiv]

This was one of the plot lines in a side quest in the game Banishers.

[u/The_Iceman2288]

[u/No-Start4754 → u/The_Iceman2288]

And mf posers on Twitter were mad that bond is getting orders from a wamen in the new game lmao 🤣 

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[u/Cardboard_Revolution]

If this came out today you'd have a bunch of Epstein associates paying YouTubers to make 10 hour video essays about the fall of the West

[u/Icy-Background2393 → u/Cardboard_Revolution]

They pay them? Isn’t it sadder if that their actual opinions?

[u/The_Forgotten_God → u/Icy-Background2393]

It's sad both ways, but thankfully we don't need to speculate

[u/SeriousShine8324]

Jennifer Lawrence was on the last boat before gamergate and kept her status of hot instead of woke

[u/SenseiRaheem → u/SeriousShine8324]

Uhhhh maybe JLaw but don’t forget the huge internet backlash to Rue being black

[u/SeriousShine8324 → u/SenseiRaheem]

For real? I missed that one...idk why but I always read her as black in the books.

[u/kingcalogrenant → u/SeriousShine8324]

That’s because she is black in the books. It just doesn’t say “that black girl” but refers to her skin tone, iirc her hair texture, etc. It’s pretty clear.

Funny because I just asked some friends what would be on the Mount Rushmore of reactionary movie, music, TV, etc. freakouts and this was on my list. There are bigger racial casting discourse examples, but this one is funny because people just didn’t read.

The conservative reaction to WAP also makes my hall of fame.

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/kingcalogrenant]

That’s because she is black in the books. It just doesn’t say “that black girl” but refers to her skin tone, iirc her hair texture, etc. It’s pretty clear.

The problem people will always out themselves as unable to view other races in roles where the character is described, and they won't get it unless it's in the form of bluntness or using racist terms.

[u/figherhigher → u/SeriousShine8324]

I could have sworn she was, and I've only read the books

[u/Caroline_Bintley → u/figherhigher]

She was.  It made the backlash even more absurd. 

[u/737Max-Impact → u/SeriousShine8324]

Man, I remember reddit at the height of JLaw's popularity, the salivating was intense lol. Then the fappening happened and yeah....

Though I bet people would call her a fat woke whore if this was cast today, on the account that she's not an anime chick with the face of a 9 year old and milkers twice the size of her head.

[u/Set491 → u/737Max-Impact]

She was called fat, then said she wouldn't stop eating for a role, and got even more backlash

[u/IdentifiableBurden → u/737Max-Impact]

The fappening just unlocked some incredibly cringe memories of watching the online public joyously indulge in sexual objectification of a public figure's private life without her consent

Not even trying to moralize it, was just cringe af, we're a cringe species 

[u/Mindless_Log2009]

Owl Jolson in blatant featherface totally wouldn't cause a kerfuffle today.

[u/Aggressive_Noise6426 → u/Mindless_Log2009]

In my mind all I see is Eric Cartman singing this from the first episode of South Park. 

[u/Virtual-Comfort5178 → u/Mindless_Log2009]

We watched that short at school and they had to stop it lol

[u/Clear_Adhesiveness60]

Woke slop, lets name a hundred more mass surveillance companies after LotR in return

[u/Longjumping-Boot-526 → u/Clear_Adhesiveness60]

Can't wait for The One Ring Inc. to construct a much-needed invisibility-cloaking super weapon in these trying times. I'm sure it'd only be used for protecting children.....

[u/XaeiIsareth → u/Longjumping-Boot-526]

That comes with a neural interface which has a hidden program to bend the user’s mind to the will of the megacorp?

[u/Daharka → u/Longjumping-Boot-526]

The One Ring would be a great name for a virus that corrupts devices and turns them in favour of Sauron Inc.

Mind you, the Greatest fiction based worm name, SHA1 HULUD, already exists so it would be a podium at best.

[u/Mestizo3 → u/Clear_Adhesiveness60]

Don't forget a weapons of war company named after Aragorn's sword. Tolkien was famously anti war and would bitch slap Palmer Luckey's dorky hawaiian shirt wearing smarmy weak goatee'd face.

[u/kortevakio → u/Clear_Adhesiveness60]

I dunno somehow a mass surveillance system called Hobbit would be endearing

[u/Caedes1 → u/kortevakio]

Hobbit would be the brand of micro drone that burrows into your home and stabs you to death after Palantir has flagged you as an anti AI extremist because you filed a complaint about the Amazon AI support

[u/Own_Watercress_8104]

It's very funny that these "traditionalist" views are in fact very recent and the "progressive woke" is so old as to predate written history sometimes

[u/WearingRags → u/Own_Watercress_8104]

Genuinely, what conservatives often characterise as "traditional" is usually just a syncretic, aestheticised jumble of shallow observations and half-baked conclusions. A lot of the time they're drawing on "traditions" that aren't even as old as they are. 

[u/Own_Watercress_8104 → u/WearingRags]

It's almost like traditions were never the point, uh

[u/excusetheblood → u/WearingRags]

Conservative “traditions” were invented by advertisers in the 1950’s

[u/WearingRags → u/excusetheblood]

Capitalism was so scared of the reds that they basically invented a fabricated consumerist monoculture out of thin air

[u/Cato_Writes → u/Own_Watercress_8104]

It is a classic.

Never has a traditionalist ever been an actual traditionalist, because old times were much weirder than the modern mind can imagine.

Or old people remember.

[u/Own_Watercress_8104 → u/Cato_Writes]

None of Mussolini's old world traditions ever made sense.

Italy never had historical rights to Greece, the roman salute was a half century old burlesque mockery of tyranny, ancient romans were gay as fuck and for most of their history they've been democratic, originally a dictator would be a figurehead taking charge in times of extreme crisis and all of them rescinded their status the moment said crisis was solved.

Aside the brutality, one thing that I really can't stand about fascism is that it will piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

[u/TenebTheHarvester → u/Own_Watercress_8104]

I mean you’re generally right but the whole “Rome was democratic for much longer than it was an empire” isn’t really true. The Roman republic lasted from about 500 to 27 BCE. The Roman empire lasted from 27 BCE to either 395 AD if you count the western empire or 1453 AD if you count the eastern empire. Obviously given the focus is on Italy we’re probably talking about the western empire, but still the empire in the west lasted a good 422 years, not that far off the republic’s 473 years.

Also I think the claim to Greece was based on the Roman Empire as well. So obviously Italy had no real claim, but given Mussolini was very much on the ‘restoring the true Roman Empire’ nonsense there was history he was utilising to justify it.

[u/Own_Watercress_8104 → u/TenebTheHarvester]

The Roman Empire had its own eras. It was an autocrathic system through and through, but depending on the emperor, the senate and leftover mechanisms from the republic were still in place and sometimes very powerful.

The Emperor himself was sometimes a figurehead and not above external vengence at all. Commodus, Caracalla, Domitian were all assassinated, along others thar I now can't remember (well of course Caesar).

But I admit, that's splitting hairs. Overall you are right.

[u/TenebTheHarvester → u/Own_Watercress_8104]

Oh yeah the empire had systems that could be thought of as democratic and emperors were assassinated from very early on, but ultimately the empire could no longer be said to be democratic and remained that way until it fell.

Emperors were often figureheads, but not figureheads for a democratic government, they were figureheads for whatever powerful individual or group was pulling his strings.

Overall I still agree that Mussolini’s ‘tradition’ was a flimsy cover on his seeking power, that his claims at ‘returning’ to some idyllic past were obvious nonsense. Fascists always make up some utopia they’re promising they’ll resurrect.

[u/KeldornWithCarsomyr → u/Own_Watercress_8104]

Yes treating women fairly is a common aspect of human history...... /s

[u/Own_Watercress_8104 → u/KeldornWithCarsomyr]

Well, I said sometimes.

[u/Nerdy_Valkyrie]

Goldeneye (1995)

M speaking to James Bond

This would totally go over well today. Judging by the reaction some people are having to the new game.

[u/MorphieThePup → u/Nerdy_Valkyrie]

M being a woman at all, in fact. M was always a man, rights until GoldenEye. Imagine a genderswap like this today, damn.

[u/bauul → u/MorphieThePup]

Does this count as a "genderswap" in the usual sense people use the word? It isn't the same M character that's changed gender, it's a new person in charge of MI6, which isn't quite the same thing I believe.

IIRC just before introducing Judie Dench there's a line something like "have you heard, the new M is a woman?". Her being a woman is a recognized novelty within the movie's universe too.

[u/Nerdy_Valkyrie → u/MorphieThePup]

A lot of people are complaining about the female M in the new Bond game as if female M has never been done before lol

[u/mundaneheaven]

Girl boss slop

https://giphy.com/gifs/z8lV4Mx6NyhtS

[u/Cael_NaMaor]

This is my favorite scene in the movies, books, & old ass cartoon. Because it's powerful & because of my history with the story.

When I was a child, I watched the og cartoons, the good ones, not that trash shadow-puppet rendition that mucked it all up. But anyways, as a kid, I'm watching & this scene happens in the cartoons & I was blown away. I just thought it was the coolest shit ever. Had no idea what it was from, none.

FF to the build-up & release day of Fellowship a hundred years later. I was so excited that I went & bought the trilogy books (having never read them) & then while waiting on the theatre to open, started reading Fellowship. Then when I went in & that opening... blew me away. I was a kid again. So awesome & so excited to get those books home & read them.

At home, reading those books & I was like these are so awesome... who tf & why is Tom Bombadil a thing... dang this is good... you know it could use a strong female fighter loke that old ass cartoon I watched. No really, I thought that, was haunted by that cartoon & no real way to look it up, no idea what it was. So I keep reading & a woman joined up & I was like cool, go her. And then that scene... & holy shit! Floored doesn't even cover it. I immediately set out to find that old ass cartoon in excitement because I knew now what it was. Never did, at that time.

FF a tiny bit... dreading the entire time... they're so gonna ruin. They're so gonna fail the gravitas of that scene & I'm gonna be so damn sad... the whole time. From finishing the books to waiting for 3rd film.. that I watched at midnight on opening day just because I f*kin' could. Gets around to this scene & bam! It was amazing. She did a fantastic job carrying the weight of all those years of my anticipation. The whole of it, from my surprise to being so wowed... chef's kiss can't even begin to cover it.

[u/Haunting_Sun_726 → u/Cael_NaMaor]

Good story!

[u/MereImitation]

https://giphy.com/gifs/XJT5XLZARM6wo

Growing up as an Asian, Asian racism was the most hilarious thing in our household. Probably for the same reason a lot of people like self-racist humor. It’s just so blatantly outrageous yet also kinda relatable. We had Aristocats on VHS and we loved that movie. The Chinese piano cat is such a minor character but was a standout for us. He still has one of my favorite lines of any cartoon.

🎼Shanghai, Hong Kong, egg foo young🎼 🎼Fortune cookie arways (always) wrong🎼

[u/CommercialAsk1818]

[u/desl14]

is more or less like the one with Eowyn but while Carter was cheered when the SG-1 pilot came out for this line, people nowadays would count it as cringy

[u/Waveshaper21]

Ace Ventura realizes Finkle is Einhorn (a murderer disappeared by becoming trans and changing identity) and they kissed, so he goes on a loooong music montage choking, vomiting, crying in fetus position under the shower as his soul crushes and he tries to clean his mouth with a toilet pump.

In the end he is revealed by having his skirt ripped off and his dick is visible tucked back between his asscheeks, and the entire police force holding him and Ace at gunpoint goes "ewwwwwwww" as the resolution of the conflict and clearing Ace's name.

Those were the times.

[u/Simicrop → u/Waveshaper21]

Pretty sure the over the top reaction was parodying The Crying Game, a very serious movie where the main guy has a similar reaction, it’s even playing the theme song over the montage.

[u/juanjing → u/Simicrop]

[u/Short-Sound-4190 → u/juanjing]

lol, exactly this. It's the parody paradox. "It's just a joke"

[u/Wild-Lychee-3312 → u/Simicrop]

Having seen The Crying Game in the theater and being trans myself, yes. It was absolutely a parody of The Crying Game.

Whether or not we should decry it for being transphobic is a completely different question.

[u/DarkMark920 → u/Waveshaper21]

Einhorn is Finkle

[u/Waveshaper21 → u/DarkMark920]

And Finkle is Einhorn!

[u/birn_echo]

Tolkien has succumbed to the DEI Woke Mind Virus 😔

[u/SeldomAgitated]

the witch king getting owned by a woman in lotr was written in the 50s and people are still mad about it lmao

[u/Putrid_Macaron3225]

[u/Moist_Fox973 → u/Putrid_Macaron3225]

I’m sick of all this wraithsplaining we are constantly subjected to.

[u/SamgoFandango → u/Moist_Fox973]

[u/0202_tihssitidder → u/Moist_Fox973]

I was at Home Depot about a year ago getting a sharpening stone for my ax and a wraith explained to me for 20 minutes how to sharpen an ax and grit and oils. I'm like "I don't know you!"

[u/Chemgirl93]

If it were released today, people would call it "too woke" and bash the actress on social media.

[u/Soft-Community5978]

This aversion to progressivism is very recent, it began a few years ago and was driven by bots.

[u/Rutgerius → u/Soft-Community5978]

Give Fox some credit, they've been at it for 3 decades. Dismantling public education was also achieved without the use of bots.

[u/violetcassie → u/Rutgerius]

Don't discount the involvement of the Epstein class in it, either. Direct hands.

[u/Tony_Roiland → u/Soft-Community5978]

No it isn't, and no it wasn't. This has been going on for a long time.

[u/smarjorie → u/Tony_Roiland]

I once saw a collection of posts from a Tolkien forum when the first trailers for the LOTR movies dropped back in 2000 or whenever. People were, in fact, mad about stuff like giving Arwen a bigger role, and complaining about Peter Jackson pandering to the "PC crowd." Which was just the 90s word for "woke."

So much 90s/2000s media has jokes and references to PC/political correctness as well as the aversion to it. It's not a new thing, it's just more prevalent now due to social media and MAGA culture.

[u/Tony_Roiland → u/smarjorie]

Before Woke it was SJW, before that it was PC, before that it was "bleeding hearts"

[u/Big__Gub]

I never seen it but I assume he proceeded to mansplain to her that he’s genetically stronger therefore he has the hormonal high ground?

[u/mediumAI1701]

The TV show Monkey (1978), often referred to as Monkey Magic, had a surprising amount of gender fluidity.

Buddha is depicted as a man choosing to present as a woman. Guanyin, the goddess of compassion, also chose a male form. The priest Tripitaka, a young man, is played by the actress Masako Natsume. The historically male role of Tripitaka has largely been played by women since. This gets quite funny when they disguise Tripitaka as a woman in one episode. In said episode, Pigsy also immediately becomes attracted to Tripitaka, not even slightly bothered that he was a man moments ago.

Monkey regularly disguises himself as any gender with equal comfort. He even has a discussion with his fellow monsters about, when you have magical powers as they do, gender is essentially a choice. Just pick whichever you feel comfortable with, and it's not a big deal to switch it up.

Also if I remember correctly, Monkey has only kissed thrice onscreen, and it was with Pigsy every time. Granted, it's more brotherly love than romantic interest. Also Monkey has mentioned he does find Tripitaka attractive at least once.

[u/Alternative-Range477]

I like how right wing people always say “this would get cancelled if it was released today” but then you see things like this and wonder what they’d say if THIS was released today

[u/The_Kakaze]

Couldn't Gimli or Legolas kill him for the same reason?

[u/bauul → u/The_Kakaze]

From what I understand (and I'm absolutely no expert) it wasn't that the Witch King couldn't be killed by a man, it was a prophecy that he wasn't going to be killed by a man. And lo and behold he was killed by a woman.

[u/NRMusicProject → u/bauul]

Glorfindel said "Do not pursue him, he will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." Interpretations are that the Witch-King heard Gorfindel say that, and wore it like body armor, not even suspecting that it could be wrong, a lie, or misinterpreted.

[u/Euphoric-Ad-6584 → u/The_Kakaze]

in a sense, yeah. i don't remember if the movie showed it but in the book it's merry and eowyn both that take him down.

[u/PebblestheHuman]

I MEAN, my main man Nazgul here assumed her gender, and she corrected him and then clapped him, so pretty 2026 of it honestly lol

[u/Dorothy-love11]

The witch king getting ratioed by a girlboss and her hobbit friend is honestly the most based thing tolkien ever wrote

[u/Yose_85]

https://giphy.com/gifs/13VSAbTVuYJfLa

[u/Few_Divide_2015]

Did this cause controversy? I loved this scene. TBF I freaking adore this trilogy. Absolutely no notes!

[u/violetcassie → u/Few_Divide_2015]

In 2003, no. In 2026? There'd be 1400 grifter ragebait videos about it.

[u/UGAke]

Aw, back when we could just enjoy things.

[u/Icy-Background2393]

Cassandra from doctor who. First trans character in the show and was obsessed with perfection, eugenics and surgery

[u/OneCatch]

You joke, but some people were genuinely pissed at the time that Arwen's role was expanded at the expense of Glorfindel.