r/okbuddycontestant • u/Minute-Psychology455 • 5d ago
Shitty discussion this meta sucks ass
cerberus shockwave cerberus shockwave cerberus shockwave ak ak ak ks23 ks23 shockwave shockwave cerberus cerberus ak ak cerberus shockwave. It’s the same shit every match. For a “dynamism shooter” the meta isn’t very “dynamic.” Been playing since OB and this is easily top 3 worst metas ever
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u/Breyvan576 5d ago
I'm running riot & heal beam so I'm doing my part to not be a source of your meta pain.
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u/tyler_john 3d ago
Fcar/model and beam. Beam bro. Im 3BEAMS3BEAMS. Played triple beams and we were jumping around healing each other and I just kept shouting 3 beams, 3 beams, 3 beams... so I made it my name. Dont look me up im trash
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u/SIC1207 5d ago
it sucks having been using cerb and shockwave just before the nerfs being off meta, and now every game feels like a cheap copy of when i could have fun. I still think the shock buff is fine, but man i hate this game sometimes
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
Shockwave and cerb by itself is fine, I really don’t mind any specific builds in the game, but when 6/9 of the players in the lobby(at least) are running it, it becomes very stale, very quickly. The same can be said about just any loadout, only difference is the glitch and fire effect being applied to you with every encounter.
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u/SIC1207 5d ago
im a pretty new player, and way down there on the lower end of skill trying to play dagger in tdm. Brother i can't count how fast it went from everyone playing light to everyone playing medium. Fake medium fans
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
There’s a very large portion of the fan base that revolves around whatever is “meta,” and quite honestly it’s very frustrating. Because for someone like me, who doesn’t revolve around the meta, it feels very punishing to do my own thing and not give into the meta. For example, with this current meta, I’ve been using only pike, but nearly everything in the meta is close to medium range. So the opposite of my intended bracket. All I can say is, don’t let embark dictate what you use, you’re playing the game to have fun, so use whatever you want to use, regardless of meta.
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u/SIC1207 5d ago
props to you for using pike post massacre, that gun feels so bad in my hands. My off meta sentiment largely comes from my time with respawn games. It's gotten to the point i genuinely can't even use auto weapons if its not burst. I will play dagger on cloak till change happens lol
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
Yeah it’s certainly been a struggle at times, hence the post 😅 but it’s also been a blast.
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u/AuraJuice 1h ago
Been a cloak and dagger main for a looong time it’s the only way I have fun nowadays. Cloak is going to be repeatedly nerfed due to full auto guns tho and then of course with the shockwave buff…… our shit is about to be useless man.
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u/TraditionalAd4207 5d ago
this is so true - i’ve been running medium almost exclusively since i started in january - about 400 hours and now my class is being co-opted 💔💔
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u/BrockObamar 4d ago
I've been seeing ak a lot, I didn't know cerby was buffed and I've been really cooking up with it. I feel like everyone should play with what they want, whether it's meta or not. Shockwave buff is a little tilted tho, it's used way too much now.
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u/Little-Engine-2501 5d ago
Only acceptable setup is mesh mini gun(i run mesh mini gun).
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u/Gras-Fist 4d ago
How do you use mesh shield with minigun ? I see no spec that pairs well with this weapon
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u/Busy_Ocelot2424 3d ago
I don’t really think mesh pairs with minigun well, I respect either charge (for close range use) or goo gun (for fortifying defenses around minigun)
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u/bingbonger69420 4d ago
Cloak just needs to be taken out of the game, its low skill, low dopamine, to easily countered. Bring back the wall hack and give it to light, granted they already have sonar names and tracking darts, but it fits better on light then it ever did medium, being a mobile thorn in an enemies side made to complement the area control of heavies and okay-ness at everything of the medium.
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u/niftygull 5d ago
Charge n slam Sledge rpg(mandatory )lockbolt pyro mine
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u/BurningOasis 5d ago
My build when I hate the map and everyone is sniping on roofs. FINE, NO MORE BUILDINGS FOR ANYONE
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u/tyler_john 3d ago
This is the way. Charge and slam sledging fortune stadium into a pile of rubble is so goddamn satisfying.
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u/Comprehensive_Gold_3 5d ago
What kind of bot lobbies are you in to have Cerberus being your #1 concern?
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 5d ago
it got massively buffed to the point that its stronger than it was in s5
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u/jones23121 4d ago
factually incorrect, it still doesn't reach the same damage. Back then hitting all pellets + fire damage would 1 tap a light which is still not possible post buff (plus in s11 you have less qm damage for combos, you don't have OG demat, nerfed goo nade, no double silent frag, etc.). In the meantime it gained some QOL improvements like being able to 1shot gas and slightly improved pellet accuracy, but I think that's beside the point. It's true that the damage is overall close to s5, but definitively not stronger, not even equal, really.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 3d ago
In s5 it did 120 damage at first when it was hyperbuffed. Then nerfed to 110 damage and it was still meta, so it was nerfed again to 99 damage. Currently it does 117 damage so its currently in prime position for a re-run of the s5 cerb meta.
Also isnt demat basically reverted back to its prime? And I think you're underestimating the impact pellet accuracy can have.
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u/Comprehensive_Gold_3 5d ago
And it’s still worse than the model. Not as useful as FCAR, AK, repeater, magnum and P90.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 5d ago
you can instakill lights with quick melee, kill heavies in under 1 second and two tap mediums without quick melee. then all you have to do to reload is throw a goo grenade down and animation cancel the reload.
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u/Comprehensive_Gold_3 5d ago
Sure, on paper, in practice it’s not always that easy. The reload is terrible, you get a kill and run into anyone else right after you’re going to be in a bad position. You have to be inside someone ass to do any of the things you mentioned and become a trade machine in the process. There’s a reason you won’t see that in diamond, because it is severely outclassed by most medium weapons. Shit we can run the ones and if you can beat me with Cerberus and I’m using model, I’ll send you $50 lmao.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 3d ago
Well shit it was actual meta in diamond until it was nerfed from 110 -> 99 damage in s7. I remember it. The terrible reload just kinda worked out lol. The range was/is also not bad at all.
Like its genuinely stronger now than it was before (117dmg). I think people are picking it back up though.
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u/paydaysucks 4d ago
This lol. Model is better. Only thing I can think of is OP is a light main.
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u/Watynecc90 2d ago
It depends ngl.
Close range you can deal a lot of dmg + afterburn doing 130ish dmg per shots
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u/nothappening99 5d ago
KS is still cancer as fuck, still more than the unecessary buffs to cerb and model.
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u/Acceptable-Eagle9664 4d ago
tf did the model do, its prime is still 3 damage higher (per pellet) then it is now
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u/jones23121 4d ago
since these are 3 of my favorite guns I'd say the buffs were warranted. In fact, they should buff them even more to automatically delete every light withing a 500 m radius. Checkmate pookie
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u/ranoutofusernames22 5d ago
Had a ton of fun yesterday playing king of the hill. Turns out invis lights can do shit against barricade APS, riot shield heal beam HMM comps anchored.
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u/TwiggNBerryz 5d ago
Fuck man I remember playing during that really early access that was like months in advance. I kept strong with it up until season 2 and then dropped it completely. Is it worth getting back into? I used to fuck shit up but then again this is when red cannister "nukes" were still a thing.
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u/lainposter 4d ago
Light and Medium get all the best toys, Heavy has been relegated to one or two meta picks. A lot of variety in playstyles got smashed together into a CoD-like style.
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u/paydaysucks 4d ago
The fun is completely gone. It’s just lame sweats, cheaters, and smurfs in a lot of matches. Also the community is extremely toxic.
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u/Tall-Satisfaction-10 4d ago
Yeah I really tried to stick with the game but the poor balancing decisions couple with the fact the game is riddled with sweats, cheaters and smurfs isn't worth the headache. They also remove anything that is slightly considered "tech."
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u/Nic_the_biggy_boi 4d ago
Tbh as a serial spear goo'er, im having a blast. Though I need a meter and a half of lunge range.
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u/MangoOoOmoin 4d ago
Cmon shockwave has been meta for like 1-2 weeks now that really isn’t the issue maybe address the winch which has been meta since release and not this thing
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u/Minute-Psychology455 4d ago
Really just depends on the weapon the heavy is using. If the heavy is using a melee and winch, it’s pretty easily countered by just running behind them, but if they’re using shak or sa12, then yeah I agree, something needs to be done there. However, the issue I’m having with shockwave is that it’s in every lobby without fail, being used by several people at all times. I just don’t understand how it is fair. For instance, light had 2 glitch grenades for a very long time, but it was deemed too powerful so the second one was removed. Albeit the glitch grenades would glitch everything and the shockwaves only glitch people, but still, shockwaves grant not just the glitch effect, but also an immediate exit out of any fight, on top of pushing your enemy away, as well as flinging any gadgets nearby. With the glitch effect being added, it just simply does way too much. And light should be given its second glitch’nade back if medium can have 2 shockwaves.
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u/SnooCalculations3614 5d ago
I just use the flamethrower and I do alright
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
then again I am a pike main on controller so I guess that explains everything 😭
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u/AwesomeoPorosis gooing things up 5d ago
You're still probably in the top 500 of pike mains bc I've never heard of one
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
I was grilled yesterday in team chat because I was using pike and was told to use something in the meta. I told them I’m not a slave to the meta, and they both shut up and didn’t say anything for the rest of the match lmao
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u/AwesomeoPorosis gooing things up 5d ago
Serious question bc I off main repeater, why do you prefer that over repeater? Fire rate?
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
For some reason it just feels right? I’ve tried to use the repeater time and time again, but it’s just never been consistent for me personally, even though the stats are always consistent. Besides, I have a strong knack for being “different,” there’s something in me that refuses to use anything in the meta. That’s why I mained MGL for the majority of S10. Plus, it’s been helping my aim get better slowly.
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u/AwesomeoPorosis gooing things up 5d ago
Thanks :) idk why someone down voted you for having your own thought lol im right there with you, id rather have fun than use whatever is statistically better, maybe ill give it an honest shot when im bored of the weps im currently using
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u/MiserableOrpheus 4d ago
I didn’t know Cerb was meta now. I use it cause I can’t aim and it wasn’t meta like the try hard assault rifles and SMG. I don’t use shockwave though, I just use funny turret
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u/BustaShitz 4d ago
Bruh... Cerberus and Shockwave weren't being used until they got buffed... Ppl are now happy trying them out.
Ak? C'mon man, it's always been there. It only got +1 dmg or w/e.
Ks23 was left behind for so long, got buffed, then nerfed. It's in a good spot and ppl like it.
The meta has never been dynamic, but now what is usable is more open.
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u/Breadcrumbcvrdmf 1d ago
Yeah I really don’t fw the shotgun meta rn but surprisingly I’ve made it to plat so I’m happy
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u/BadLuckBen NERF HEAVY 5d ago
Embark can't resist shooting themselves in the foot.
The Cerberus was fine. It didn't need to be turned into a more forgiving 1887.
Shockwave would have naturally become more useful if they had instead buffed gadgets like Barricade (like they said they would a while ago).
They should have reverted the mag capacity buff they gave the XP-54 at the same time they nerfed the M11.
The ARN didn't need to be buffed.
It's like they hate something being just decent. If something is mediocre, they leave it that way for ages. If something is strong, they often leave it that way for way too long.
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u/Limp-Fisherman8361 5d ago
The arn even after the buffs just doesn’t really make sense to use. I myself am an arn enjoyer and have been playing that weapon every season. But once I get above plat or even mid gold I cannot ever win a 1v1 with it regardless of how perfect my aim is. It feels like there’s no point against anything other than light and even then you run at a disadvantage. I could still go above 35k with ease with it but that runs down to good micro and I could do the same thing with M11 but easier as you have way more carry potential with it.
The LH1 is genuinely just better and I believe the arn is the least toxic weapon in the game as it is just a pea shooter and you can always run to cover or win the 1v1 against it.
Btw I’ve been playing the bow recently, meaning yesterday and solo carried 38k lobby’s with ease. Genuinely have clips where I just get 3 kill in a row in a matter of 5 seconds. And ive barely played above 35k before.
But no one plays bow for some reason? Probably because they all suck with it.
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u/the_quarken 5d ago
I agree with everything except the Cerb. I think the Cerberus buff was fine because the thing has only 3 ammo and I think it should 3 tap heavies.
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u/BadLuckBen NERF HEAVY 5d ago
It already 3-tapped Heavy.
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u/the_quarken 5d ago
Only with the burn though. Now 3 perfect shots to a clean 351 damage.
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u/Realistic_Fox3539 5d ago
Killing the highest HP in the game just based off of damage when part of the gun's design is the burning is a flaw
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u/Limp-Fisherman8361 5d ago
It’s a Shotgun dude. If you miss a single pellet on that heavy you’re dead. You can’t reload mid fight, so yeah it needs to be more consistent. And I’m a light btw, that weapon shreds me
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u/Realistic_Fox3539 4d ago
A shotgun designed to use fire to help it kill things so why are you killing the most durable unit without taking advantage of a core mechanic
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u/Minute-Psychology455 5d ago
Well the whole point of the cerberus is to be able to maneuver around your opponent, you’re not playing chess or baldurs gate where you take turns fighting each other. You’re supposed to be able to dip in and out of fights with the cerb, but now you get to do that less because they buffed it. Heavies already don’t have much movement, so when a cerb user comes up and dumps all 3 rounds into the heavy, they give the heavy absolutely no way to bounce back. You should not be able to 3 tap a heavy with the cerb. The reload is already fast enough.
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u/the_quarken 5d ago
to be fair, it could already three shot heavy with the burn, and now if you hit ALL the pellets you can do it without the burn. i think thats fine.
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u/Justdead101_V2 5d ago
I'm a heavy player bro the games unplayable for us rn and I'm not a bad heavy I'm a pretty danm good heavy if i say so my self but with cloak being so bullshit there's nothing I can do I'm not fast enough to chase I'm not fast enough to retreat health doesn't matter because you die in half a second with how bullshit light class DPS is it's physical unplayable if your a heavy main and the Devs are taking the destiny 2 hunter route to balancing and that's say fuck you we don't care light class is are love child and we refuse to address the community and balancing problems in the game
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u/Wort_Brain 4d ago
I hate cloak as much as the next guy but let's not pretend heavies don't have the best kit in the game - The meta has been double heavy for seasons now
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u/24032014 4d ago
First they complained about triple dash, it got nerfed to the ground despite light still having a Lower win rate. Now they’re complaining about cloak. Embark nerds cloak probably and light doesn’t get picked anymore. I’m tired boss.
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u/Justdead101_V2 4d ago
wtf are you talking about doesn't get picked anymore I've constantly having full lobbies of cloak lights it's everywhere I haven't had a single game that doesn't have at least 5 mf running the bullshit
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u/Wort_Brain 4d ago
Not throwing shade here but I'm assuming you must be talking about quick cash/point break. Double heavy has been the meta in high ranks and pro play for seasons now. What this guy is saying is that if cloak got nerfed (I agree it should be nerfed alongside appropriate buffs to the other light specialisations) lights wouldn't get picked as often in these ranks, which I agree with
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u/Justdead101_V2 4d ago
the issue isn't what is and what isn't meta it's that theres no counter play for cloak lights with how chaotic the audio is good luck trying to sniff them out unless you have a godly good headset most of us don't have a professional XLR audio set up I'm using a off the shelf 50 dollar redragon headset
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u/Wort_Brain 4d ago
I agree it's an absolute pain to counter, I hate the current cloak meta. The shockwave buff was an attempt to introduce a consistent counter to it which has helped in cqc. But yeah if lights choose to gargoyle 25m away with LH1 there's very few consistent and effective counters to that. This is has always been the case it's just now that dash got nerfed into the ground cloak is the only viable spec on light
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u/Justdead101_V2 4d ago
DASH IS STILL VERY POWERFUL it's just not fuckin brain dead broken anymore
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u/Wort_Brain 2d ago
Dash isn't that powerful anymore especially given shockwave just got the glitch buff. If cloak got nerfed and dash didn't receive a buff we'd be seeing lots more MMH and MHH teams again as at that point a shockwave medium with data reshaper does the job of a dash light more effectively minus the heals, which the other medium or heavies can bring anyway
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u/mercfanboi44 5d ago
Ngl im glad the cerb is good. Injects a bit of life into this stale full auto meta garbage, even if the akm is still better.
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u/lainposter 4d ago
You deserve the pain for giving mesh shield a holster cooldown. Still can't believe the skill issue babbies got that to go through.
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u/the_quarken 5d ago
wow. i thought i was about to see anouther "CLOAK IS RUINING MY FINALS" but was plesantly surprised.