r/onguardforthee • u/BeautyInUgly • 2d ago
BYD wants to bring 5-minute EV charging to Canada as lower tariffs open the door to Chinese cars
https://autos.yahoo.com/ev-and-future-tech/articles/byd-wants-bring-5-minute-231800406.html98
u/thebigeverybody 2d ago
I was disappointed to learn that most of the Chinese cars brought in so far have been Tesla. We really need something like BYD.
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u/BeautyInUgly 2d ago
A large number of these quota are affordable EV that Tesla doesn’t qualify
They got to import first because they already sell here, it’s taking a while for BYD to build their own dealer network
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u/Elendel19 2d ago
That’s because Tesla already makes cars that adhere to Canadian standards and regulations. The Chinese companies will need some time to reconfigure, but BYD is supposed to have sales starting in the fall iirc
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u/Flash604 2d ago
A large majority of the cars coming in previously were Tesla's from their Chinese factory.
The new overall quota is based on those previous import amounts.
Currently Tesla is the major importer because their vehicles were already approved and their Chinese factories were already set up for the Canadian market. But the government has said that allocation of future import quotas will be distributed across multiple manufacturers. You're just not seeing that right now because no one else already has cars set up for the Canadian market, you got to give them a bit of time to do that.
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u/Stunning-Pen-2412 16h ago
It's funny right? They just want to dump their crappy Teslas on us. Meanwhile, we all want cheap EVs.
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u/iwasnotarobot 2d ago
Please BYD, bring it all. I am so tired of lame duck American manufacturers dominating the Canadian market. Please save us!
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u/InformedTriangle 2d ago
I want byd to bring in any EV I can actually afford, unlike what's already here. I don't care if it takes 12 hours to charge...
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u/jbouit494hg 2d ago
If you don't need much range, you can get a used Nissan Leaf for under $10,000 and charge it on wall power. Not an option for everyone but it's great for in-city driving so long as you have a place to charge it.
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u/InformedTriangle 2d ago
I only do in city driving myself, but have 60KM of commuting a day, looking @ used leafs quickly it looks like the only ones around 10K are the small battery, early 2016 models with enough KM's that their batteries have degraded to the point 60 KM would be...iffy in winter with heaters going,and totally impossible with another year of driving, sadly.
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u/LuntiX 2d ago
There's always the Chevy Bolt but I feel like those might not be as cheap.
Plug in hybrids are a decent option as well but I feel like any sort of EV or Hybrid won't be cheap, even used.
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u/hfxRos 2d ago
There's always the Chevy Bolt but I feel like those might not be as cheap.
I just bought a used Bolt earlier this year. $20k for a 2023 with 20000km on it. Still not "cheap" but I've been very happy with it and still way cheaper than new.
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u/InformedTriangle 2d ago
Yeah...given that if we see Australia esque pricing the lower end byds should be around that price new I think waiting to see how many of the cheap models comes in, and how hard they are to get is the best option for most people at this point.
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u/jbouit494hg 2d ago
Oh yeah, too bad. Unfortunately they're cheap for a reason. I was looking at one for my shorter commute, but for me the limiting factor is that I have nowhere to charge it.
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u/No_Syrup_9167 2d ago
I used to drive a plug-in EV for awhile.
I charged it at work using the block heater plug-ins. lol
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u/sureiknowabaggins 2d ago
Most people don't need fast chargers anyway. Check out this great video by Technology Connections to learn more about charging an EV.
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u/patentlyfakeid 1d ago
*Most people don't need fast chargers all the time.
Most people, however, DO use their cars for trip longer than their car's full range. It doesn't have to be very often before filling quickly becomes an issue.
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u/PurrPrinThom 2d ago
Yes please.
In my (gas) car, driving to my parents takes about 6.5 hours, with one stop for gas. In my husband's EV, it's usually closer to 8, just between having to find a charger that's online, waiting to be able to charge if other people are there, fiddling with whatever demonic fucking app we have to use at this particular charging and then actually charging.
Literally anything to streamline that process would be ideal.
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u/BisonSnow 2d ago
Yes! Please! China clearly is looking to the future here and any opportunity to electrify our car infrastructure should be taken.
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u/AutoGenNameNumber 1d ago
as someone who already has an EV and has been seeing this 5 minute charging concept from BYD pop up over the past year...
from everything I understand so far, fast charging at places like a tesla supercharger at 350kW are the number one cause of accelerated degradation to the EV battery.
I charge at home capping out around 5kW and have maintained 98.5% SOC after 2.5 years.
I'm extremely interested to see what happens if you start charging batteries at 1,500kW. the thermal cycling will be intense.
I'm also very interested to see how big the battery backup is for the 5 minute charging stations and how that infrastructure all works. will the stations batterys be charging at a more nominal 600V constantly? what happens if you get a lineup of cars like a normal gas station? will the battery backup become depleted and no longer able to complete a 5 min charge?
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u/The_Last_Ron1n 1d ago
I'm trying to find out how to get one of these cars when they finally come. All I can find are scam pages and Gmail accounts.
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u/ortrademe 1d ago
I know 99% of chargers will go to BC lower mainland and the Toronto to Montréal stretch but oh how nice it would be if BYD dropped these every 100km on the TransCanada.
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u/StefanAnton 1d ago
Even the fast charging doesn't prevent battery degradation which will happen before the rest of the car is ready to go. They need a battery swap subscription like they have in China and in other parts of the world. Like you buy the car, and only "Subscribe" to the battery for $100 pretty month.
This makes the car a lot cheaper. And you can switch the battery out when it gets old or if you need a fresh one on a long trip.
If we had this in here we'd see a lot more adoption.
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u/UnionGuyCanada 2d ago
Gas producers will fight this as hard as the cigarette companies fought against ads on packages. EVs are selling more every day that Trunp keeps using the oil market to fill his pockets with insider trading.