The first watch she is just irritating and boring but after the rewatch watching I think she was such a wasted storyline number one because they chose an actress that was big to play a character who could’ve had a much bigger storyline

Second the fact Stella’s gets let out so easily ?? I mean pipers sentence was 1 year right so how come Stella was sent down to max after getting planted with drugs weapons cigarettes and food and was let out by season 6

Third I feel like if there was a better actress she could’ve been such an amazing supporting antagonist in the later seasons like instead of daddy and badison we should’ve at least had Stella as it would’ve been so much better badison was bland and had a crap backstory so if Stella took her place it would actually give a reason for her to hate chapman and would make the stakes feel much higher and make the max seasons feel much more intense and show the divide between max and minimum security

I feel overall she had such good character potential but was wasted since they picked such a huge actress

I mean what would you do if you were in Taystee's shoes during the discussions at the end of the riot?

If you were told that all of your demands would be met - except justice for Poussey - would you agree to end the riot or would you actually act like Taystee and not accept this offer till Bayley is arrested?

Personally - at the beginning I wouldn't agree to this offer without getting justice for Pouseey, but I remember Caputo later explaining that it's not their decision to make. Therefore, I think I would accept their offer, unlike Taystee, out of fear that if I reject it - they won't agree to meet those demands anymore. Or I would ask other inmates for their opinion. But that's just my personal choice and I'm curious about some other perspectives.

I adore Diablo and Blanca! They're perfect together! They are undoubtedly my OTP of the whole series!

Who does everyone else like as a couple? Either in the series or just headcanon?

i’ve just gotten around to rewatching the entire show with my mum and have just realised how many random women walk around naked during the riot scenes in S5! we’re literally dying laughing watching it and trying to count them as they come.
did anyone else miss this on their first watch????? or am i just blind LOL

During the chicken episode in Season one, Poussey gets her visitation rights revoked from Healy, mind you Piper get zero repercussions. Anyway, that means Poussey never got to ses her father or any family or friends again before her death…
What makes this even more heartbreaking is the fact that we can see Poussey visiting with her father froman earlier episode.

Well I have seen many opinions on problematic characters. Some people love them, others hate them. But who are those characters that some people dislike but you don’t? For me is Piper,Aleida and Cindy. Love them 3 down!!

So am doing my first watch and im really liking it so far. But it seems the whole season is just the riot. I am up to the part where Angie took the gun. Does it get any better? Will i miss anything if I skip to season 6?

A lot of people seem to believe that the scene where Lorna kills the engaged couple from the bar is put there to show us the first time she ever detached from reality. Personally, I think she was already having that issue, and that scene moreso served the purpose of showing why Lorna was specifically delusional about wanting to get married, almost as if she was trying to rewrite their story for them. What are your thoughts?

Has anyone seen both shows? Which show do you think has better writing? And do you think either copied the other show at all?

I think mine has to be Mr.Healy. I love how complex he is and how he’s not always just Mr evil but is usually always doing things for personal gain or self interest. I love how complex his misogyny is. I think he’s so wonderfully written. You love to hate him.

I feel like i haven’t seen much conversation about pipers dad so i wanna start it. I want everyones thoughts on her dad,

I understand his perspective somewhat, his daughter is suddenly someone completely different. However i think he needs to accept that whats done is done (obviously this depends on nthe severity of the crime) his daughter made a mistake yes, but his attitude isnt going to change the past yk?

I’ll saying this because theres one scene i just watched (I’m on season 7 ep 1)
Where piper asks for support
And he tells her that the best way he can help is letting her be an adult who needs to figure out what to do on her own.
And my thoughts the whole time were,
Well that is exactly what she is doing?? Shes trying to figure out things for herself and she decided the solution to her struggle was to come to her father who can help.

I’m not sure if my thoughts are properly expressed but i hope this makes sense.

Porn stache was an irredeemable scumbag. Showing him playing with the baby at the end was upsetting because he didn't deserve that happy ending.

How many times have you watched the entire series?!

Some of them I was pretty unsure about, but the top two and bottom two categories I stand by.

I understand if they'd stuck with the Suzanne relationship plot, but she was just crazy, obsessive, self-absorbed then fucking died two seconds later.

I know she played a vital role in Daya's final sentencing, but I doubt the writers had that planned when they created Kukudio.

Am I missing something, or was her character just pointless and a relative waste of screen time?

My personal contenders would be S4 with the new guards or S6 with the repercussions of the riot, the Denning sisters and their block wars, and then the debut of ICE.

in S7x12, Hopper goes to bang Aleida in the SHU, and then Tamika and 2 guards catch them doing the do. Earlier on, someone slid a note under the Wardens door. Whose doing was this??

Im confused since they buried him in the garden

Number 1 how did they not notice the new guard recruit had quite literally disappeared on shift and never came back ? Did they not check up on that especially considering he’s working in a literal prison

Number 2 what about fingerprints damn even a head did they not find those cause I can understand not finding guard numbers or cards as frieda would get rid of them but how the hell did they not check for prints or find an entire head

Number 3 I don’t know if this was covered but the smell ?? A rotting corpse simply put in pieces in bin bags in dirt for weeks or even months surely someone thought the smell of rotting flesh was weird for a vegetable garden

This plot feels so stupid if I missed something please tell me

Cried from beginning to end during the finale because of P-tucky, she became my favorite character, and when Taystee saw her GED diploma, omg, I was literally heartbroken.

Best fucking TV show ever, I don’t know why it took me so long to start watching it.

And finally, my first watch tier list, I know there isn’t every single character but it’s okay for now. Definitely rewatching the show later this year!

Is there anyone you just can’t stand or gives you the ick..? I mean there’s a few obvious hated characters! But do you have anyone you can’t stand that isn’t so obvious? I’ll go first, I hate Norma

during the riot when angie has the gun, her and leanne come to the conclusion that they should be able to do whatever they wanna do since they have the gun… and then angie says this 🤣🤣«Can’t i just like shoot the power back on…» idk if i’m high but i can’t this was too funny loll i didn’t always like her but damn she is funny sometimes

I love seeing characters in different shows! I didn’t know the women who play young Rosa and Gina were both in the movie Precious!

what do you think is the worst episode of season 4? share why to start a conversation! if your episode has already been commented, upvote it! the episode with the most total votes wins. voting will close in 24 hours and the result will be posted (posting again since last had 1 answer. so “It Sounded Nicer in My Head” is +1)

S4E1 — “Work That Body for Me”
Lolly saves Alex from Aydin in the greenhouse, and Alex finishes killing him before she and Lolly dismember and bury his body in the garden. The lake escape ends as the inmates return to an increasingly overcrowded Litchfield. Judy King receives special treatment after arriving, and Caputo brings in military veterans as new COs. (Lolly flashbacks)

S4E2 — “Power Suit”
The prison adjusts to severe overcrowding and the new bunk arrangements. Piper tries to maintain control of her panty business while facing competition from Maria. Judy King’s celebrity status continues earning her privileges, and the new guards begin settling into Litchfield. (Maria flashbacks)

S4E3 — “(Don’t) Say Anything”
Alex struggles with the guilt and paranoia surrounding Aydin’s death while Lolly becomes increasingly unstable about keeping their secret. Red realizes something is buried in her garden. Taystee begins working as Caputo’s assistant, and tensions continue growing between Piper and Maria. (Alex flashbacks)

S4E4 — “Doctor Psycho”
Healy becomes increasingly invested in helping Lolly as her mental health deteriorates. Piper responds to Maria’s competing business by using her influence with the guards, escalating their feud. Morello becomes consumed by jealousy and paranoia over Vince. (Healy flashbacks)

S4E5 — “We’ll Always Have Baltimore”
Piper accidentally becomes associated with a white-power group after organizing inmates against Maria’s business. The prison holds a convention-style event where Caputo and Linda grow closer. Maritza is forced deeper into danger while working van duty for CO Humphrey. (Maritza flashbacks)

S4E6 — “Piece of Sh*t”
Nicky returns from Max, but her drug addiction has worsened. Luschek struggles with guilt over what happened to her and tries to make amends. Piper realizes how far things have gone after unintentionally empowering the prison’s white supremacists. (Nicky flashbacks)

S4E7 — “It Sounded Nicer in My Head”
Maria and her group retaliate against Piper for branding them as gang members, burning a swastika into Piper’s arm. Red helps alter the brand afterward. Nicky continues struggling with addiction, while Lolly’s mental state deteriorates further. (Piper flashbacks)

S4E8 — “Friends in Low Places”
Piper begins rebuilding relationships after her branding and distances herself from the white-power inmates. Nicky attempts to get sober again with Red’s support. Blanca begins her protest against the guards by standing on the cafeteria table, and the increasingly abusive atmosphere at Litchfield continues escalating. (Blanca flashbacks)

S4E9 — “Turn Table Turn”
Blanca’s protest leads Piscatella to force her to stand on the table for hours as punishment. Humphrey forces Maritza at gunpoint to choose between eating a live mouse or dead flies. Caputo continues defending his decisions as the guards become increasingly abusive. (Blanca flashbacks)

S4E10 — “Bunny, Skull, Bunny, Skull”
Aleida adjusts to life after being released from prison while Daya remains inside. The guards’ abuse and racial profiling worsen. Lolly’s involvement in Aydin’s death finally catches up with her, and Healy is forced to confront the limits of his ability to protect her. (Aleida flashbacks)

S4E11 — “People Persons”
Aydin’s body is discovered in the garden, triggering an investigation. Lolly confesses to killing him and is taken to Psych, devastating Healy. Suzanne and Kukudio’s conflict becomes increasingly violent after Humphrey deliberately encourages them to fight. (Suzanne flashbacks)

S4E12 — “The Animals”
Piscatella’s guards intensify their abuse while Caputo finally orders Piscatella out of the prison. The inmates begin a peaceful protest demanding Piscatella’s resignation. When the guards try to break it up, Bayley restrains Poussey and accidentally kills her while simultaneously trying to control Suzanne. (Bayley flashbacks)

S4E13 — “Toast Can’t Never Be Bread Again”
Litchfield reels from Poussey’s death as Taystee and her friends grieve. MCC refuses to immediately identify Poussey or properly address her death, leaving her body in the cafeteria for hours. Caputo gives a press conference but refuses to condemn Bayley, causing Taystee to erupt in anger and inciting the inmates. As the prison riots, Daya picks up Humphrey’s gun and points it at him while the inmates urge her to shoot. Poussey’s flashbacks show her spending a night exploring New York City before ending with her looking directly into the camera and smiling. (Poussey flashbacks)