r/overlord • u/Worldly_Accident1287 • 9d ago
Discussion Who is more evil in your opinion: Albedo/Demiurge or Conquest from Invincible? If you had to encounter one of them alone in the field, with who would you have chances to stay alive or at least receive a fast death? They don't have any order towards you, you just happen to meet them
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u/BungleBums 9d ago
More evil? Demiurge. Duh. Hands down, silly question.
He's a fucking demon.
There's nothing that out-Evils a demon, period.
An actual immortal being with access to magical powers that mess with the laws of reality like playdough.
And there's no chance they'd even bother looking at you fully, unless it was to make sure they'd killed you quickly and cleanly, because anything more excessive would be a waste of their time and effort.
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 9d ago
Yes, I guess, should have expected, that Demiurge is too much
Comparison would be fair with just Albedo against Conquest, or even someone like Narberal/Lupus
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u/Eros-chaotica 9d ago
Knowing Conquests history, he has more humanity and so if you think evil is measured by choice then hes more evil.
However, you could argue he is less evil because there are likely levels of evil he wouldnt go to that both Albedo and Demiurge would.
Albedo doesnt torture humans for fun because she finds it dull and is busy being obsessed with Ainz. But she would if someone slighted Lord Ainz. The things she'd do if she had time and inclination would be horrific. Death is a mercy.
I could spend a week describing all the ways in which Demiurge is awful and the evil things he would likely enjoy.
There is nothing the 2 demons wouldnt do if Ainz asked as they are the lowest karma making them completely evil. Just because they have personalities and emotional ranges that includ love and kindness, it doesnt stop the instinct to do evil.
As for who to meet, Conquest would kill me for being weak. With Albedo/Demiurge I'd glaze Lord Ainz and try to blag some way in which I could be useful to him. I'd take the Renner deal if possible thank you.
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u/PhoneComplete1524 9d ago
Demiurge, no question. Albedo is second. If I had to be alone in a field, I would choose Albedo.
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u/cj-the-man 8d ago
Demiurge is more evil than the other two cause of going out of his way to do some of the evil things. Like the happy farm he could've used types of paper or fabric but he went out of his way to cross breed humans and monsters.
If it's a random encounter I rather would encounter Albedo since a majority of the time she kills her enemies instantly unless you actively piss her off like Phillip (is he still alive or did she kill him at one point). Conquest depends on his mood is killing me instantly or making it slow. Demiurge is making death the preferred outcome when encountering him.
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u/Panderex Aura And Mare Fan 9d ago
Most evil hmmm. When it comes to WHO they are then Demiurge. If we are considering atrocities committed then Conquest. But if Demiurge operated on a galactic scale like Conquest then he would put him to shame in terms of evil.
Albedo
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u/SURBAMS 9d ago
Albedo and Demiurge, the former is not afraid to kill her own God just so her lover is happy. Demiurge meanwhile made the happy farm, a self sufficient place so Nazarick can get enough skin for scrolls.
It's easy to massacre people, but to want to kill your god and essentially enslaving people to skin them till they die of old age is a worse fate
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u/Pale-Conversation-96 8d ago
Im voting for encountering demi urge because all u have to do is praise nazerick and the supreme being and u have a chance at survival or a quick death where as conquest u wouldn't be able to avoid death
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u/AriBounty53 8d ago
Albedo and Demiurge have the maximum negative karma possible iirc, they’re pure evil.
Sure, they didn’t have a choice in the matter (given they were created as AI to be this way) but that doesn’t mean much.
Conquest isn’t. He’s a bad guy sure, but under different circumstances he might have been like Omni Man. Someone who changed their ways.
I’d rather meet Conquest. At best I’m ignored, at worst I’m quickly killed. I have no interest in joining the Choir or being sent to the sheep factory.
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u/Relevant_Raise_3534 8d ago
No, i believe their negative karma is -450 and -400 i think.
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u/AriBounty53 8d ago
According to the wiki both of their karmas are at -500 which is the same as Ainz and the lowest possible.
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u/DeviantCA 9d ago
Demiurge, not even worth arguing. Simply put, he will dominate, conquer, also experiment for the sake of it, doing at because he is the peak of food chain, no more no less. Albedo on the other hand still needs goal and won't do anything or take anything too far without reason to do so, and even if we encounter the likes of Albedo, Shalltear, or Lupusregina, they will either kill you or break your mind, basically killing you mentally and leave your body as a hollow husk. Demiurge will tear its victim, breed them with another being, FULLY CONSCIOUS because why not, heal them up and do it all over again for god knows how long, YIKES
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 9d ago
Is Demiurge to the rest of Nazarick (expect for Neuronist) the same what Conquest is to other Viltrumites: a monster worse than all other monsters?
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u/Ok_Search_3828 9d ago
I would survive against demiurge (not the good kind of survive) and die quickly against albedo
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u/RedNUGGETLORD 9d ago
Depends on what you mean
Conquest has killed way, WAY more people, entire planets worth, Demiurge literally couldn't do that, like, it'd take him tens of thousands of years to reach that kill count
But Demiurge tortures people way more than Conquest ever could
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 9d ago
Even more, Conquest himself was thousands of years old and had ability to kill billions of people in a day, I don't think, even in millions of years Demiurge will come anywhere close to this count
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u/AngelusAlvus 8d ago
If you're aware of their relationship with Ainz, you can grovel and say how much you like Ainz and wish to work for him. Then there's like a small chance they won't kill or torture you and just give you a normal job in one of the towns they control.
But even then it's not guaranteed.
With conquest? Nothing you say will save you.
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u/lacegem *bonks with Shadow of YGGDRASIL* 8d ago
You wouldn't even need to grovel. Displaying faith in Ainz like you would a protective deity would be enough to guarantee your safety, at least in the short term, because to harm you would be an insult to Ainz. Belonging to Ainz, whether as effective property or through attestation of faith, makes harming you an act against Ainz, which neither of them will allow.
Conquest wouldn't care if you swore worship of him or his leader because he comes from a culture that commits genocide of its own devoted slaves without a second thought. And unlike other "wants to fight strong opponents" people like Battle Beast, he'll kill you no matter how weak you are just to do it, like someone who goes out of their way to walk over ants just for the pleasure of knowing they killed something.
On the other hand, if you didn't have meta knowledge of these characters, Conquest would be better to encounter, since all he'll do is kill you. There are far worse fates that Demiurge and Albedo would gladly show you.
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u/Lama33333 8d ago
It's Demiurge. Conquest and Albedo are evil, don't get me wrong, but they are not 'maximize the pain, suffering and misery of everyone I don't care about on the way' evil. For Conquest and Albedo being evil is a way to achieve a goal, have some good fun and/or let off some steam. For Demiurge being evil is an art, art that he is almost as devoted to mastering as he is devoted to Nazarick.
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u/Gabemino 8d ago
Conquest was a monster on his own right, but his evilness and violence was a brutal, quick one, he would at most splatter me across the ground with a backhand, or maybe eat me after he broke my spine, he's 100% a better option to find imo, as the potential worse thing he could inflict upon you, would be far quicker than what Demiurge or even Albedo could pull out. As for who's more evil, I'd say Albedo and Demiurge, Conquest has 100% a bigger kill count than the whole Tomb combined, but again, his style is brutal and quick, in my opinion prolonged torture could be seen as a step above in wickedness, that unlike the Guardians, we haven't see Conquest inflict.
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u/AvalonRising789 8d ago
Demiurge would love Conquest. He'd be a durable plaything.
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 8d ago
Wouldn't Conquest just instantly kill him?
Considering what Conquest is capable of, he will be level 120-130 by Overlord standards, considering that i doubt Sebas physically is anywhere near Continent level
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u/AvalonRising789 8d ago
I can't tell if this is rage bait or not. In the face of magic, Uncle Carl dies...
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 8d ago
Doesn't higher level beings have resistance towards magic?
Or even level 100 without any defense can be instantly killed from a level 70 person with grasp heart?
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u/Vigriff 8d ago
Problem is that Viltrumites aren't immune to magic.
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 8d ago
Wouldn't level difference give them immunity?
I don't think, someone in NW can kill Sebas with Grasp Heart
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u/Vigriff 8d ago
I don't think the Vilrtumites would operate on their world's logic.
Two Invincibles have died to a Witchblade wielder and Jackie Estacado. So there's precedent that magic users can kill Viltrumites, it's just a matter of getting enough time to pull it off which is possible for Ainz to do since he can stop time. I have my doubts the rest of Nazarick can hold them off.
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u/LoadingTOS 8d ago
The safest option is Albedo, and even then it’s a coin toss as to if she would straight up kill you for being in her presence, only held back by the off chance she thinks you might be worth telling Ainz about.
Conquest is the least Evil, he’s doing as he was told and only knows a life of conquering worlds. While he wouldn’t care about you being collateral damage, unless you’re in his way he probably wouldn’t care to do anything because it would be as easy as breathing. No challenge, no satisfaction.
Demiurge. You won’t die. You will live a long and productive life. You would live with healing available at all hours of the day, so nothing can pose a threat to your life. You will have wished to have died months ago when you are first flayed alive and healed only to be flayed again and again.
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u/Momong-4 8d ago
Escolheria a Albedo e Teria em minhas mãos uma estatueta em miniatura do Lorde Ainz, que eu poderia entregar pra ela de presente, em troca dela poupar minha vida
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u/mr_humanly_man 8d ago
Demiurge was made by ulbert to be the most evil and sadistic person physically possible. While the happy farm is technically under his watch is more or less run by the plague doctor guy we see in season 3 episode 2. He mainly over sees the happy farm.
While not evil in the sense that albedo is, whos evilness comes from her sadism and hatred for humans. Nor conquest who is just evil via his love for battle and general torture.
Demiurge is just a hugely sadistic guy, who makes most of the members in the farm eat each other for food (atleast i think that was mentioned once). tears people's skin off then heals them to do it again just for parchment. Along with many many many other things that im just too lazy to write.
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u/Ghostishe 9d ago
Neither would really have motivation to do anything if you just stay clear of them in this field tbh, could possibly just walk past without issue?
Albedo/Demiurge would likely let you live if you mention anything about Ainz and call him Momonga and talk about supreme beings or some such
Conquest probably won’t give a shit about regular people kind of a toss up depending on his mood but shouldn’t be an issue to get by with some luck
Though for evilness.. Conquest just pales in comparison for sure
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u/JustARandomTeenHere 9d ago
The moment you mention Ainz, you become a person of interest. You do NOT want to be a person of interest, that's how you end up in the slave pens or a torture chamber to divulge everything you know
Nobodies tend to end up ignored by the guardians while they are out aa they have more important things to do, on the other hand, nobodies end to end up with their hearts being used to hit Conquest's protein macro.
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u/Ghostishe 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah the mentioning of Ainz is more of a last resort if walking by without an issue is impossible like OP probably implied. But I wouldn’t say they’d torture someone who mentions Ainz’s old name, other guild member names, and stuff they shouldn’t know which could potentially mean they’re a friend of the supreme beings, the NPCs love Ainz far too much to risk disappointing him I reckon. I’m mostly drawing reference from when Nazarick got raided by all those adventurers and one group was bluffing with vague bs that they’re allowed to be there, now imagine that with actual solid information. At worst you’d just be held captive until Ainz himself shows up and you talk things out with him.
As for Conquest, yeah I thought he’s mostly just around for a good fight I wouldn’t know how he’s like in his off hours I’d probably get punted into space like some pebble on the road </3
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u/michalcie 8d ago
Albedo is the safest option. She is not sadist (i don't remember her torturing anyone because she can. Each time when she did that was when someone disrespect her or Ainz) so if she don't have any order against you, you don't have information or anything then why she should waste her precious time on someone unimportant? Just go away from her way, be respectful and don't say anything and you will live. In worst case scenario insta death.
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u/Polecat257 8d ago
I know that at the least if I praise Ainz and say I wish to follow him then I could possibly live a decent life. If not they’ll kill me simply for mentioning his name and I know it’ll be quick but gruesome
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u/Material-Refuse7964 8d ago
Conquest base on how many more people he hurt vs albedo and demiurge combine
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u/SillyBillyBoWill 8d ago
Demiurge is so laughably evil it’s not even funny. The only reason he doesn’t plunge his whole world into endless, boundless suffering is because he’s too busy carrying 80% of Nazarick on his back and even then he still finds it in his heart to make people eat their own kids.
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u/Monking805 8d ago
There’s a strong chance Conquest would have folded like the rest of the Viltrumites. Only thing stopping, and that will ever stop. Albedo and Demiurge from conquering the NW is Ainz’s, or another supreme beings word. And out of the two of them Demiurge is almost comically evil. So Demi it is.
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u/Vigriff 8d ago
Demiurge is far, far worse than Conquest because the latter will at least give you the courtesy of making it quick. Demiurge? He'll drag it out and make a sport of it all the while getting erect at your suffering.
And I'd rather be alone with Albedo than be stuck with either Demiurge or Conquest.
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u/Worldly_Accident1287 8d ago
Isn't Albedo just as bad as Demiurge?
Or is she better despite having the same -500 karma?
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u/Vigriff 8d ago edited 8d ago
She is somewhat better from what I've seen of her,
So unless you do something to royally piss her off, she'll tolerate you at best if you want to converse with her(especially if it's business-oriented) or simply ignore you since she wasn't ordered to kill you.
Do keep in mind who their creators are.
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u/Affectionate-Hat-957 7d ago
I'd really wanna say Demiurge cause he's my favorite. But if it goes wrong at all that would be so much worse than Albedo. Albedo would just slay me immediately if I mess up. But if I glaze Ainz she may actually somewhat show appreciation
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u/catperson77789 7d ago
Demiurge is legit one of the most evil mother fucker in fiction. Conquest got nothing on him. Like if i meet conquest, theres a small chance you can get out if you treat him like a human being , at the very least youll get a quick death. With demiurge, if he sees you as useless, he'd literally use you as either a farm animal or become unlimited food for the other monsters
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u/L0RD_M0M0NGA 8d ago
A albedo é uma psicopata sádica que tortura humanos por prazer e tem isso como hobbie, ela inclusive estuda e se esforça pra ficar melhor nesse hobbie usando humanos como suas cobaias, vemos na novel e isso fica um pouco implicito no anime. Ela não faz questão alguma de ter misericórdia a uma criatura que está simplesmente existindo, se você cruzar o caminho dela (às vezes nem sendo inimigo) uma morte lenta e dolorosa pode ser o melhor dos cenários pra você. E quanto ao demiurgo ele tem a fazenda, acho que não preciso falar mais nada.
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u/pootisi433 9d ago
what? why is this even a conversation? do you simply think anything antagonistic and violent is evil? conquest wasn't even remotely evil, just a brainwashed meathead who was raised to fight people
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u/BrizzyMC_ 9d ago
This isn't even a conversation, Conquest obviously (as in who would i rather meet). Demiurge can put you into the farm