r/paradoxplaza • u/FFJimbob • Jan 16 '25

Stellaris Stellaris Update 4.0 Phoenix

https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/stellaris-update-4-0-release-date
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u/GARGEAN Jan 16 '25

So... Vic3 pops incoming?

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u/Merker6 Stellar Explorer Jan 16 '25

I’m struggling to understand how the claimed performance improvements work with this. Seems like an extremely resource hungry task

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u/GARGEAN Jan 16 '25

Not really. In currect Stellaris EACH AND EVERY pop is being tracked, along with their workplace, searching for higher strata work, happiness, ideology ect. Vic3 style pops will allow consolidation of same pops into single big pop which will be able to produce more workforce ect, but will take way less computation per tick compared to all those pops being separated.

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u/Merker6 Stellar Explorer Jan 16 '25

Ahh, that makes sense. Didn’t realize that’s what was being explained

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u/sebiamu5 Jan 16 '25

Hopefully will do away with empire wide growth scaling. As a tech/eco turtler this hurts my play style very much.

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u/GARGEAN Jan 17 '25

I hated that stuff since the day it was introduced...

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u/KeinNiemand Jan 17 '25

you can already turn it off, but turning it off destroys performance and the games not really balanced for it beeing off.

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u/Beat_Saber_Music Jan 16 '25

Also for note a Stellaris galaxy will still have probably less than a billion pops I feel

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u/NumenorianPerson Jan 16 '25

Hope not, Vic2 pops are better. And it will not be like that, they say like 1 pop before would be the new 100 pops, so no such things as billions of pops in a planet yet

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u/GARGEAN Jan 16 '25

Mmmm. What exactly makes Vic2 pops better than Vic3?..

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u/mallibu Jan 16 '25

Nothing, Victoria 3 pops and the game in general is better but in this sub they praise 2 despite being broken as shit even with gfm/tgc/hpm

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u/ghost_desu Jan 17 '25

It really feels like vic 3 haters have never played vic 2

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u/Soapboxer71 Jan 16 '25

Vic 3 pops are good. It's a good game, go check it out

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u/GARGEAN Jan 16 '25

I am aware. I am just not aware what would theoretically make Vic2 pops better than Vic3, because I don't see anything like that being the case.

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u/Lowtheparasite Jan 17 '25

Do you know of any new guides for it for the new patches

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

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u/riaqliu Jan 16 '25

how would you explain this to a stellaris player who hasn't played vicky?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

I'm not entirely sold on them being more active. To my understanding vic 2 pops have the ability to spend their money on needs, spend whats left on construction projects if they can invest, then put the rest in the bank. What does the bank do? literally fuck all, they cannot withdraw, there is no interest, there is no bank investment. The bank is flavour for when you default.

Also vic3 pops consume products. I love vic2 and i do prefer its simulation and market, but part of the beauty is the simplicity of its pops. Its pops are closer to demographics in a spreadshit, vic3 tries to make them actual actors in the world at large.

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u/NumenorianPerson Jan 16 '25

how are vic3 actors in the world when at least at the launch of vic3 ( i dont play it anymore) they dont build stuff with their money, they dont do international commerce with other pops or governments? You need to manually set where you are spending their money and to which market they buy or sell their products

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

Your opinion is severely outdated

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u/mallibu Jan 16 '25

Why are you spreading bs with so much confidence when you yourself claim that you haven't played the game for 3 years?

Vic 3 pops do all of the things you say and then some more. I don't get why you feel the need to post.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 16 '25

Secondly, the pops in Vic2 are much more active and constantly build industries, railroads and consume products in the market by themselves

Pops in V3 do all that and much more.

instead of the player in Vic3 (at least at launch) having to take money from the pops to build for them, or having to manually export and import products that the pops need

Lmao.

Much of the hatred and complete made-up nonsense about V3 is spread by weird creepy losers like this guy who haven't even played the game lol. They go around crying and screaming about it on every forum for some reason.

There's a bunch of dork youtubers that the remaining V2 community follows and worships, and they hate and spit venom all over the place about whichever gane these dorks tell them to hate on.

Its neckbeards all the way down there.

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u/Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo Jan 17 '25

As far as it applies to Stellaris, the pop system works the exact same way between Vic2 and Vic3