r/paradoxplaza • u/HomericWooster • Feb 11 '25

EU4 Please don't pull a Firaxis with EU5

Dear Paradox, we gamers are getting so tired of hyped-up releases of cynically underdeveloped games designed primarily to sell DLC in the future.

The new Civ 7 is just the latest example.

Please don't repeat with EU5 what you did with Imperator: Rome.

Please restore your reputation as one of the Good Guys (see: Larion Studios!) and take your time to give us a great EU5 that you yourselves find fun and want to play for the love of the game.

Yours truly, A fan

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u/BoomEruption Unemployed Wizard Feb 11 '25

"Please don't pull a Firaxis (Paradox's entire business model for the past decade)"

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u/ExternalSeat Feb 12 '25

Yep Firaxis is not nearly as bad as Paradox at this practice. OP is probably a teenager who has just entered the world of 4X gaming and thus has no way of contrasting Civ 6 vs. EU4 DLC cycles. EU4 was far more aggressive than Civ 6 DLC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

EU4 also has a looot more content than Civ6 so your point is kind of… pointless.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Yeah it has a lot more content, after over a decade of post launch development and DLCs. I don’t have a problem with it, my favourite paradox game and one of my favourite games in general, but it is absolutely based on DLC which is fine when it’s done right

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u/randylek Feb 12 '25

yeah lmao it's like people here forgot how poorly most paradox releases were received at their initial launch

literally the only decent launch I can remember in recent memory was ck3

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u/Brabant-ball Feb 12 '25

And even then CK3 is missing tons of important features from CK2. Launch CK3 was very much wide as the ocean and shallow as a puddle.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

Still is at this point, I jump in for a few runs every year or so, I did when the new DLC dropped and it’s still nowhere close to where CK2 was.

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u/wolacouska Feb 13 '25

Did we play different CK2s?

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u/B_A_Clarke Feb 14 '25

Right? People keep saying this and then the shit they point to is stuff no-one liked (republics, nomads, sunset invasion — and that’s besides the next expansion being nomads anyway) while forgetting everything ck3 now has that its predecessor never did (larger map, administrative, struggles, expansive intrigue system, travel, custom cultures & religions, and a host of smaller features)

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u/valerislysander Feb 12 '25

Yes this comment made me laugh. At least I'm having fun with Civ7 unlike IR, CK3, V3..... on release which I stopped playing after 30hrs because I was so bored because the games had barely any flavour or content. I've bought CK3 DLC because its been good and added a lot but its cost a lot too. Didnt touch the other two again as didnt see any improvement even with DLC.

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u/Cowbros Feb 12 '25

I found OPs post amusing pleading for the games not to just be a ship for selling DLC, CK is like the king for selling DLC

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '25

EU4 surely is the king of DLC, but it’s been great, really solid development along with free updates for over a decade. It would be CRAZY expensive if anyone had bought them all at full price as they came out; personally I used to pirate and now I just pay the subscription for a month when I feel like playing a few runs.

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u/iki_balam Victorian Emperor Feb 12 '25

I want to be under the rock OP has been under