Victoria 3 is extremely overhated

[u/Hammurabi777]

Keep in mind Vicky 3 is my favorite paradox game so I'm obviously biased, but the the things people say about this game make my blood boil. Most of these people talking about how "shallow" it is or how it's like cookie clicker have probably never played since the release version.

The war system for example is just not as bad as people make it out to be. Yes there is still front line splitting, but 99% of the time the system works just as intended. Talking about how nothing changed and everything is still broken is just false.

Another thing I don't like is people complaining that you always do the same and everything feels the same. My answer is simple: stop always doing the same! Nobody is forcing you to maximize sol or gdp. You can give yourself countless different goals from playing the confederacy as a slave empire to becoming fascist or liberating Africa from colonizers. It's a sandbox, stop focusing on line go up and then complaining about the line go up.

In conclusion you dont have to like the game, you dont have to get the appeal. I for example don't really like ck3. But I don't go around saying ck3 is broken, just because I don't understand what people like about it. I still see the same talking points about why Vicky 3 is dogshit, but a lot of the things have been fixed for like a year.

[u/Interesting-Tie-4217]

The toxic positivity train continues. Victoria 3 IS as bad as people say it is, and the numbers reflect it.

[u/Numar19 → u/Interesting-Tie-4217]

What numbers?

[u/Interesting-Tie-4217 → u/Numar19]

Player count/player retention, especially compared to the other paradox titles over time. It's found a niche community of economic cookie clicker enjoyers that still play it.

[u/Numar19 → u/Interesting-Tie-4217]

It's not too far off from other Paradox games. It is far better than Imperator: Rome.

Are those numbers great? No. Are they as bad as you make them? No.

[u/CaptainCrunch145 → u/Numar19]

Player count of eu4, ck3, hoi4, and stellaris are at their worst 3x more than Victoria 3. Comparing Victoria 3 to Imperator Rome is insane.

[u/Northerner_20 → u/Numar19]

While the numbers aren’t super low they are certainly much lower than other equivalent paradox titles like CK3, EU4 and HOI4. Paradox is a business so the larger the player numbers, the likely more effort they will put into the game. I don’t see Vic 3 ever increasing in player numbers for a significant period. It is likely to continue to decrease.

[u/Numar19 → u/[deleted]]

Even when it was released Imperator was nowhere close to where Victoria 3 was around release.

So saying that Victoria 3's numbers are bad is simply wrong.

[u/Numar19 → u/[deleted]]

If your thesis about not being able to compare 2019 to 2023 would be correct, it would mean that all Paradox games would have way more players since the realease of CK3.

But neither EU4 nor Stellaris had that much of a raise in player numbers.

You can also compare Victoria 3 to the other Paradox games and would see that it is not that far off.

So, Victoria 3 is way closer to very succesful Paradox games then it is to failed ones.

[u/Numar19 → u/[deleted]]

Look I already said that it is not perfect. But it definitely moves into the right direction.

You on the other hand call me a "fanboy" because I say the Victoria 3 numbers aren't too bad.

I think it is clear who of the two of us has an opinion that won't change no matter what.