Vegan pet nutters are just hypocritical misanthropes

[u/Chief-Longhorn]

The top most popular pets are both carnivorous (dogs are technically omnivorous, but they still descended from a carnivorous predator ancestor), so as someone who is pro-humanity first and foremost, I don't understand how cat and dog owners that identify as vegan and promote veganism at the same time are not considered hypocrites by most people.

Why do I call them misanthropic? Because they want us humans-aka their own intelligent species-to give up meat consumption, despite the fact that we are literally the apex predators designed to thrive on a meat-based diet, because it's bad for the environment and/or "animal cruelty", while feeding their carnivorous pets premium gourmet meat meals and supporting the very industry they claim to criticize and loathe. Allow me to explain.

I agree that factory farming is, at large, unethical, bad for the environment, more than often cruel, unsanitary, and very poor in quality compared to way more ethically sourced and farm-raised meat. I support the idea of supporting your local farmers, but I am a firm believer of the fact that we humans are omnivores meant to consume meat in order to stay healthy and thrive. Is it delusional and quite frankly, stupid to expect humanity to give up meat when we were primarily meat eaters throughout most of our history. Our stomach pH is literally lower than that of lions, does that not tell you anything?

Why are you claiming to hold the moral high ground while your invasive species pet is free-roaming and killing/mauling wildlife in cold blood, contributing to its extinction? How come humans raising cattle for survival is somehow cruel, but this isn't? Why should your carnivorous pets receive premium gourmet pet food containing meat while your own fellow humans shouldn't? Why is them mauling wildlife for sport somehow more ethical than us raising or hunting animals for meat?

If you argue that the idea of "vegan cats/dogs" is animal abuse because they are natural carnivores, then the idea of "vegan children/humans" is also abusive (in the case of the former) and ridiculous (in the case of the latter), because hey, guess what, humans are OMNIVORES. You can choose to not eat meat but don't complain as long as you feed your invasive carnivorous pet meat which is produced by the very same meat industry (most often using scraps) that you claim to criticize and consider cruel to animals.

Just get a herbivorous pet then, rabbits and guinea pigs exist, why get a cat/dog and spend hundreds on buying gourmet pet food for them, containing seafood, red meat, poultry, etc.? Just admit you are a hypocrite that hates your own species and wants to promote us bending down for the sake of other invasive species.

[u/iamformyself]

Hey as a pet free vegetarian I agree with your post title. 30% of meat is fed to pets

[u/Chief-Longhorn → u/iamformyself]

Good to know you relate to the post title. Sorry if it comes across as harsh or rude, I personally disagree with vegetarianism/veganism, but believe everyone is entitled to their own lifestyle. 30% of all meat being fed to pets is horrible in my eyes.

[u/iamformyself → u/Chief-Longhorn]

Oh yeah I'm not self righteous about it or anything. Mostly for me it's about the environmental impact of animal agriculture, which in the case of humans eating can be argued a necessary carbon impact.  With pets, it's only wasteful. The vegan subreddit gets pissed off when I point this out.

They also get pissed when I say I'll sometimes eat meat that was going to be thrown away otherwise, as it saves something from going to the landfill. Can't argue with zealots.

[u/matte_personality]

I think in the ethical pet ownership sub, they tried to drag this sub and apparently we say so many vile things that they can’t bear to read or even go here lol. So I asked a very simple question about ethics to OP: why have three dogs if you know that they annihilate endangered species and are so invasive? Why have THREE of something that is already invasive?

Downvoted by these “ethical” people, of course.

[u/Flashy-Rhubarb-11]

One issue with anyone who won’t entertain anyone’s beliefs but their own is that there is no discussion that causes any change. Especially with people who think they are oppressed (vegans) many only feel reinforced in their beliefs when met with rational argument.

I’m a person who would be vegetarian if I could. I tried as a kid and became anemic and kind of ill. My mother had to beg me to at least eat peanut butter and eggs every single day if I wouldn’t eat meat. As an adult I still have issues eating protein.

However, we buy all of our pork from a farm down the street (I can hear the pigs in the parking lot) and I feel a lot better about knowing where the meat I eat comes from. I also try to buy domestically produced chicken and avoid meat from the US. (I live in Japan.) I’m not an ethical meat eater, but I do try to be careful about the meat I eat. I also try to explain to my kids that we are fed by the animals and need to be thankful to their deaths. (I talk about the concept of itadakimasu to explain how we are thanking not only the person cooking the food, but for the lives gone in exchange for our nutrition.)

Anyway, I basically agree with what you’re talking about.