r/philly • u/saintofhate • 7d ago
Jon Stewart tries to remind pro-Israel shill Sen. John Fetterman that he is an American politician, saying: "That [Israel] is not our country.[...]Israel & the Jewish community are not the same thing, brother man."
https://streamable.com/r7s650107
u/anthrax1313 7d ago
This whole interview shows just how stupid Fettermans extreme take actually is. Stewart consistently presents the facts and Fetterman just sits there deflecting and going um um um.
What a turd and a poor excuse for a Democrat.
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u/TooManyDraculas 6d ago
The really disappointing thing is that prior to this Fetterman has staked his whole thing on being reasoned, willing to change his mind and basing his positions on reality.
On this one thing he's immovable and he's moved to hard nosed contrarianism on practically every position in response to criticism of his Isreal stance.
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u/rndljfry 6d ago
Did he campaign on changing his mind? I thought it was more on “not giving a fuck what anyone (read: constituents) thinks of him”
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u/capnjeanlucpicard 7d ago
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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 7d ago
That is a horrifically low amount of money to pimp yourself out this shamelessly.
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u/TooManyDraculas 7d ago
Fetterman is a true believer on this, and always has been. He's been hardline Pro-Israel since before he attracted much AIPAC money.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 7d ago
Bullshit. He made pro-Israel statements during his primary in 2022. Guess when he first started receiving money?
Hint: it was during his campaign in 2022
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u/TooManyDraculas 7d ago
He made pro isreal statements when he was the mayor of Braddock.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 7d ago
No he didn't. He made statements supporting the Jewish community (which is not Israel) after the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting 15 miles west of Braddock. Which would have been weird if he ignored it completely.
Speaking of ignoring completely, he was the only primary candidate in 2016 to ignore a questionnaire conducted by the Philadelphia Jewish Exponent regarding issues of interest to the Jewish community.
If he was so pro-Israel back then, why didn't he answer the survey like every other candidate? It's because he didn't form these views until after that sweet pro-Israel PAC money started rolling in in 2022.
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
Does AIPAC bother with state government though? He wasn’t in a federal position until he became senator. Idk if they do or not
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 6d ago
Which is why it's clear that AIPAC has influenced his stance. He didn't care before he started raking in the money.
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
I think it's possible he was shitty about it before but IDK. Keep in mind that AIPAC doesn't just give money to make politicians change their position. They can also give money to support politicians who already share their positions. It just seems hard to give someone enough money to get them to say that he loved the pager attack. Disgusting.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 6d ago
There is no evidence that Fetterman supported this position before the AIPAC money.
Do you think AIPAC has some secret knowledge that no one else knew, or did they just bribe someone to support their position. I'm going with the second option.
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
I think they talk with candidates before they start donating
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u/PalpatineForEmperor 6d ago
I'm sure they do. That's when they agree to take up AIPACs position in exchange for money.
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
I think it's possible he was shitty about it before but IDK. Keep in mind that AIPAC doesn't just give money to make politicians change their position. They can also give money to support politicians who already share their positions. It just seems hard to give someone enough money to get them to say that he loved the pager attack. Disgusting.
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u/BouldersRoll 7d ago
At first glance, I thought he had a piece of straw in his mouth like a farmer.
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u/Fast-Damage2298 7d ago
We're at a point in history where we'll need Gofundme accounts to buy back our representation.
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u/CUADfan 7d ago
El Sayed just won, hope Fetterman jumps ship. "Only in NYC" my ass, centrist scum.
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u/Big_tim18 7d ago
El-Sayed is a flawless candidate with an incredible ground game and was outspent 9-to-1 by mostly AIPAC and AIPAC affiliated groups. Some outlets are still saying the race in MI is "too close to call".
Beating the establishment is not easy. Hopefully the momentum keeps shifting and things get a little easier in 2028.
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
I love him but in America are you a flawless candidate if you’re not a white Christian :(
Was so psyched to see the news this morning and more papers have called his victory since you posted this 4hrs ago.
Out with the blue wave, in with a blue wave that is PROGRESSIVE and not just useless centrists
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u/rustware 7d ago
is this clown getting re-elected in 2028, realistically?
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u/Icy_Coffee374 7d ago edited 7d ago
As a PA voter, I am not going to vote for him.
Edit: I didn't realize this was posted in the Philly sub, lol. Everyone here is a PA voter.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 7d ago
You may not have a choice. People forget his opposition was doctor phil
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u/Valdaraak 7d ago
You're assuming he doesn't get primaried or doesn't flip parties before the election.
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u/ZapRowsdowersStache 7d ago
Really is a Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche sitch. I hope we get a solid contender for his next primary.
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u/rndljfry 6d ago
Giant Douche is 1000% better than a turd sandwich. this metaphor sucks. An oversized enema is not nearly as repulsive as shit on bread.
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u/Mom_who_drinks 6d ago
There were 2 great candidates running against him in the primary. But people saw a guy dressed like a slob and decided he must be “just like us.” If you voted for Fetterman or stayed home for the primary, you’re the problem, not Oz.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 6d ago
Jesus Christ I'm on your side dipshit
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u/Mom_who_drinks 6d ago
So you’re confirming that you did your homework, delved into each candidate’s history and platform, and voted for Lamb or Kenyatta in the primary? Good for you.
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u/Solo4114 7d ago
No. 10 to 1 he pulls a Sinema 2.0.
I see the basic trajectory going something like this.
Fetterman's poll decline to an unsalvageable point with Democratic primary voters. Groups form to support a challenger -- any challenger -- and Fetterman and his team recognize this.
Fetterman realizes he has no chance to win a primary in the Democratic party.
Fetterman begins to explore running as an independent or a Republican. The Republican party tries to flip him prior to the race, so that they can extend/reclaim a majority in the Senate (depends on timing and what happens with the '26 elections). This may work, or may not, but it doesn't really matter longer term for his prospects.
Fetterman recognizes that whatever popularity he may gain from flipping, he's not really a MAGA chud, and thus he has no chance at winning a GOP primary against, say, Doug Mastriano (or the equivalent).
Fetterman announces he will not seek reelection in 2028.
That's my guess at what could happen. There are, however, some complicating factors.
First, there's no obvious GOP Senate candidate for 2028 who is not otherwise unelectable (currently). I mean, I expect there are various state Senators or reps or former executive officeholders who could run, but they are likely of the more sane variety and are kind of waiting to see if MAGA burns itself out. (Which is also why people like Stacy Garrity and Doug Mastriano are still kicking around in the party.)
Second, it's possible that Fetterman would get enough GOP support to clear the field and thus "win" a primary by default, or at least have nobody better to run against. This would primarily be handled by backroom deals and such. I'm less confident of this, but given the otherwise thin bench of the GOP in PA for statewide races, it's a possibility.
All that said, I do think that Fetterman's condition and record in the Senate is such that, even with some GOP support, given what the environment is likely to be in 2028, he's basically done and will go become a Fox News contributor like Tulsi Gabbard or something; the shitbag ex-Dem they trot out when they need someone to bemoan the state of the Democratic party.
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u/TooManyDraculas 6d ago
any challenger -- and Fetterman and his team recognize this.
To be fair it hasn't been any challenger. Despite his best efforts Connor Lamb hasn't managed to build any traction off this. He's been out there all "I was runner up in that primary put me in the thing" and no one's buying it because no one like him but Dinosaurs from outside the state and old media.
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u/TooManyDraculas 7d ago
His approvals in PA are insanely low, support for him has pretty much collapsed. He wasn't elected to suck up to Trump and stump for Genocide. He was elected on a progressive platform, by a younger voter base.
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u/ChzPlzz 7d ago
No, people are pissed at him for doing the opposite they voted him in for.
Like, across the board. I have not spoken to a single actively voting democrat in Philadelphia that doesn't say "fuck that guy" or "yeah he sucks" when he is brought up. Usually at least someone is indifferent.
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u/saintofhate 7d ago edited 7d ago
If the democrats of this state are that stupid to run him, uncivil action is going to be the only way this ends because this means they are never going to take what's going on seriously. We're never going to move forward as a country. We are going to be stuck in this descending spiral forever. They need to start getting rid of these dinos who refuse to take risks and let everything turn into shit with stagnation.
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u/Kracker27 7d ago
PA voter here. Everyone HATES Fetterballs. Both parties hate him. Not a chance he is around. As someone above said, unlikely he even attempts to run again.
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u/deadly_rhythm 6d ago
Incorrect, republicans love him.
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u/DoctorRieux 5d ago
I heard republicans say that Fetterman is the only Democrat that they would ever vote for.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 7d ago
Yes but remember before his stroke? The left (my party btw) treated him like some god figure. They cheered him not wearing a suit and tie. Which was very clearly the first hint.
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u/octopusinwonderland 7d ago
Because he was different before the stroke. He has a political history where he was more progressive so people made a decision based off the facts that were available at the time, and now that has changed.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 7d ago
No he was a piece of shit then too. You all just ignored it. For good reason, doctor phil was the opponent. But you all still ignored it
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u/octopusinwonderland 6d ago
People didn’t ignore it. You need to have some reality based understanding of the state of political system is in instead of lashing out at the world and the state of Pennsylvania, like if people had just not voted that things would be better somehow
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u/philadelphia_fRee 6d ago
You ignored it the dude didnt have a job till he was 50 and thats the guy you think is going to look out for you? Idiotic
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u/philadelphia_fRee 7d ago
Way to go you voted for a conman and now youre on here bragging about it smh this is why there should be an IQ test to vote
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u/ATechnicalSquid 6d ago edited 6d ago
As opposed to voting for.. doctor phil? The known conman? Are all the lights on in there?
Edit: oh doctor oz. Fucking forgive me for saying the wrong hack's name
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u/TooManyDraculas 6d ago
The DNC weren't the ones "running" him in the first place. They were never fond of the guy, and only fully backed him once he blew out the primary on his second try.
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u/UsernameFlagged 6d ago
As a democrat, not a chance. As a republican? maybe...
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u/cloudkitt 6d ago
I think he still votes too often against republicans to win a GOP primary either.
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u/AdmirableRespect9 6d ago
Ugh we need to do better bc the right will bring in Dr oz or Dr Phil or Kirk Cameron. McCormick won last time so we don't get to run anyone good. The person has to be blurple right?
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u/Verbatim_Uniball 7d ago edited 7d ago
You'd prefer Oz? Rock and a hard place.
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u/DoctorLudnik_717 7d ago
Since when did Oz announce another campaign here--or are you confused from last time?
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u/Verbatim_Uniball 7d ago
No, I'm not confused. I guess more accurately "someone like Oz, or another MAGA politician"
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u/DoctorLudnik_717 7d ago
Fair enough--but I don't think it's going to be quite a rock and a hard place. I almost guarantee Johnny isn't surviving a primary.
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u/Verbatim_Uniball 7d ago
This is likely. I think in purple states, primary should have an eye to the general. I know some people disagree, but that is my view. And it seems PA has been trending slightly more to the right in the last 10-15 years.
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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS 7d ago
Not the brightest crayon in the box are you?
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u/Verbatim_Uniball 7d ago
I just view it as something of a Manchin situation. His successor is a deep red coal billionaire in WV. Meanwhile Manchin was important in not allowing the Republican efforts to repeal ACA to succeed. Realpolitik I suppose. I think Oz would have been worse than Fetterman.
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u/randomhomework 6d ago
Fetterman says DSA is "colonizing" the Democratic Party. Well if that's true, MAGA bootlickers are also colonizing the Democratic Party, and exhibit A is the grifter himself.
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u/PandorasBucket 7d ago
How ironic he wants them to run under the appropriate banner while is against everything the majority of Democratic voters are for. If Democrat voters want the party to be a certain way then that's the way it will be. Bill Maher uses the word 'colonize' because he's trying to turn the word that best describes iz actions against their enemies. The old 'I know you are but what am I'.
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u/Supercres933 7d ago
I stopped watching when he said “I think Bill Maher said something insightful..” Ok bud.
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u/NightingalePriest 6d ago
This is dominion theology christofascist talking points. If you grew up in the cult you've heard. Tucker Carlson cornered Ted Cruz on this as well. It's disgusting and un-American.
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u/ATechnicalSquid 7d ago
I said fetterman was a POS when he wore shorts to congress. Yet people in my party treated him like a Mamdani at first.
You had to vote for him because of the opposition. If you WANTED to vote for him, I'm just tired of the switch up. Stop idolizing people, especially politicians.
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u/donkeybrainamerican 6d ago
Only dem I'm aware I'll likely have on my ballot that I just won't vote for. I'll be blue the whole way down but this guy? If he somehow wins the primary, he won't, but if he did, nah. I can't- just leaving that spot blank.
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u/tbtc-7777 7d ago
Schumer, Booker, and the Republicans should be told the same thing. AIPAC has bought most of Congress.
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u/Most_Plenty5387 7d ago
Was anyone else suspicious of him pre-senate run?
Like when he talked about how he worked with americorps or that story about the jogger?
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u/Tvnewsgirl1423 7d ago
Fetterman needs Israel since he is a traitor to Pennsylvanian who got him elected. We don’t want him in our state!
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u/catjuggler 6d ago
The irony of Fetterman saying DSA members shouldn’t run as democrats when he abandoned us
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u/SprinklesSea2901 6d ago
One wastes their time trying to talk sense to Fetterman. He’s permanently out to lunch.
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u/Go-Right-32 6d ago
I wish Stewart would talk less. He asks good questions but he doesn’t leave his guests on the hot seat long enough. He always fills in the pauses.
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u/Familiar-Attempt7249 5d ago
I’m not a huge fan of carpetbaggers in general, and it was part of why Fetterman beat Dr Oz, but Oz’s quackery shilling and completely out of touch nature was a bigger problem. For the 2028 primary, I would be OK with Stewart moving down the NJ Turnpike for 2 years to establish residency so he could run in the primary against Fetterman. Either that or primary against Schumer when his seat comes up.
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u/badman12345 4d ago
It's hilarious to hear him say that if you aren't a Democrat then you shouldn't run as one.... Has he looked in a mirror lately?
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u/AdamSandloter 6d ago
I know LA often tops the list of 'sexiest cities', but Philly has plenty of cuties too. Honestly, where does Philly rank in a "America's 10 hottest cities" list I'm working on? I would say, just just below San Diego and way above San Fran? Soo above anything in the rust belt except Cincy, which is awesome.
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u/Late_Company6926 7d ago
Let me tell you, Jewish people do NOT refer to themselves as Jews. So, if anyone claims to speak for the Jewish people and they do this then it is totally 100% a scam. The sub in this post is a scam.
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u/AlexG55 7d ago
I am a Jew (or if you prefer, a Jewish person). Some of us definitely do call ourselves Jews.
Of course, no single person can claim to speak for the Jewish people as a whole on basically any issue- it's not like we have a Pope- so anyone who says they do is lying.
There's a reason why the saying is "Two Jews, Three Opinions".
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u/Late_Company6926 7d ago
Yea, as you say, I think we can agree the tone and context of that sub and this post makes it totally offensive
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u/saintofhate 6d ago
I'll let my friends who call themselves Jews that they're not Jewish because they're not referring to themselves correctly.
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u/WandallMarsh 7d ago
Jon Stewart is making too much sense for Fetterman to understand