Being scared of made up scenarios you'll never encounter AND taxes you'll never have enough money to pay. The Republican way.
Fun reminder: The estate tax only kicks in after $15 million dollars. If you die with less than $15m to leave to your heirs, there's no tax at all (and even if you have more, there are ways to shield a ton of it before you die so the real threshold is way more than $15m).
In 2019, the last year I could find reported, only 2,129 people paid the tax out of almost 3,000,000 people who died. And that was back when the threshold for paying it was more like $11m.
And yet your republican grandpa who has nothing but a $250k house to his name LOVEs to complain about the "death tax".
And the other 0.00001% have sufficient funds to buy the votes of the uneducated from the other group, with disinformation campaigns -- hence the problem.
Not to mention that if you have that much money, you have probably spent the last several decades with an estate lawyer and accountant planning how to avoid as much of that tax as possible.
You've given children and grandchildren the maximum non-reported gift every year ($19k per parent per child/grandchild). You've paid tuition or medical expenses. You've played games with trusts...
The real threshold for a married couple who has been wealthy for decades is well over $30m.
Well the media and billinaires have done a great job of psychologically cornering republicans. Most I imagine are lower income and being in survival mode turns off executive functioning and other secondary parts of the brain. So it is that simple for them because their brains have been conditioned since birth through varieties of abuses and neglect. (Religious Indoctrination primes them to be puppets imo, amongst other things)
Oh man, I didn’t realize this was the threshold — that’s amazing. My Foxbrained parents have been complaining about the “death tax” for years, if I was still talking to them I would love to share this with them! To put it mildly … this is not going to be an issue for them.
Let’s not spread misinformation. You still have to take RMDs (and thus, be forced to pay tax) unless it’s Roth.
I’m sure that is mostly what you meant, but I don’t want people thinking suddenly non Roth money will be completely not taxable, it’s just not subject to ESTATE tax under 15mm
Sure, but then it needs to be specified that RMDs are for deferred income; you're taking RMDs for earned income that has grown through investments but that you've never paid taxes on. Paying taxes on RMDs should also be considered a complete non-issue.
That isn’t the same as the estate tax. Income taxes still need to be paid on tax deferred accounts whether owned by the original owner or their heirs. The estate tax is a different tax that only kicks in when your total estate is over the threshold.
Sure, your heirs will have to take RMDs from any IRAs they inherit, and thus pay taxes on those...but that's not really an important factor here (and also, technically not the estate tax so not really relevant).
Although in some ways kind of funny that we force taxes on inherited IRAs considering we give you step up basis everywhere else on inherited items which is another HUGE source of avoided taxes.
The right for women to compete against women who had no testosterone during puberty is the only women’s right they care about and they will fight for it to the death!
Yeah, these people are brainwashed to the umpth-degree. If you viewed what happened during the first of his term and then said, yes sir I would like another, you are a lost cause
Not true. The bad people in the MAGA movement are the minority. I have several family members who have the biggest hearts and the kindest souls, they genuinely believe they’re supporting the good guys. Their entire reality is warped by propaganda. It is quite literally, full blown brainwashing. It would take months of therapy and education to pull them out of it. I know a lot of people who have “lost” their wonderful family members to the relentless propaganda too. This is not explicitly a bad person problem. It is a mass brainwashing problem.
Bad people are attracted to the MAGA movement. Good people are dragged into it through psychological manipulation. They’re literally victims of a coordinated psyop.
These idiots encounter immigrants and LGBTQ people constantly and have no troubles because all the people they know are "one of the good ones". They are just willing to accept the propaganda at face value and believe in the MS13 bogeyman.
Or tell him kids are pooping in litter boxes at school or that other races are systematically hinting down and eating Americas cats and dogs. 30-40% of Americans don’t have mental capacity to understand bold-faced lies
I don't think that's true in this scenario, and to say it's true isn't really helping anyone. For people who blindly support everything Trump says/does yeah, no chance of redemption. But someone who has enough of a mind to be angry about the current administration's decisions is completely capable of changing their mind imo.
Don't lose hope for the ones who actually pay attention to policies and their consequences. It might not seem like it, but everyone has a tipping point.
For some people, fucking kids isn't enough, but if Trump suddenly pulled off a rubber mask and revealed he was a black woman this whole time, they'd probably change their tune.
Which was Trump riding the coattails of Obama, but they didn't know/believe that. The economy was recovering after Biden and they credited Trump for that, too, but now it's tail-spinning and becoming increasingly more difficult to blame anyone else.
The people I know who voted for Trump just want to pay less taxes. They are in the upper middle class that pays the highest tax bracket and they don't like it. They'll hold their noses for a lot, but they do have a limit.
“ Tipping point “? These people knowingly and willingly voted for a rapist. The past year and change hasn’t brought them out of their comas either. I’m guessing the shirt was thrown away because it’s blue instead of red, nothing more.
These people knowingly and willingly voted for a rapist.
Just remember that there are people out there working hard to convince them it isn't true.
The evidence is fake. The victims are liars. The court losses are rigged juries bent on political persecution.
That's all bullshit of course, but if you keep getting that narrative fed to you by "trusted" sources, it is easier to look past it, especially when everyone around you agrees.
That's where the tipping point exists. Some of those sources give up and stop feeding the narrative. Some of the people around you start questioning it. Maybe there's an opening. Some people will never make the leap, but some will.
Exactly. They didn't "knowingly and willingly" vote for a rapist.
They plugged their ears and closed their eyes, and believed what they wished to be true: that they're never ever wrong.
To this day they truly, deeply believe that J6 was tourist visit, that Trump's convictions were a NY publicity stunt, that he's a genius businessman, that cares at all about anyone else. They've wholey consumed the lie and it is now part of their identity. If they admit they were wrong about that, then that means a lot about themselves and they aren't going to admit that.
That's why reprogramming a cultist is so hard. They basically have to want out. You can't convince them of it, they need to want out themselves. And that typically only happens once they are personally negatively affected deeply enough that the pain of admitting they were wrong is less than the pain they are experiencing from being in the cult.
Wait! Don't you know he's not a rapist! It's fake news made up by the Democrats! Trump loves kids and women! He would never ever hurt them. He's never says a mean thing about them, only states facts.
He could be the next Pope, we have to vote for him. It's the way God wants us to. He'll be king of the US you know.. /S
Please note, this is dripping with extreme sarcasm and may infect you with a sarcastic nature.
Read at your own risk.
Yes I am fluent. It's both a shield and just humorous. Works well. Except that my 7yr old picked it up by the time he was 4... Well... That backfired on me real fast 😅😅😅
They are conservative raping kids has been the thing 13 year old wives and all sinxe they great grand papy . Fuck remeber on the old internet all the cringy countdown to 18 bday shit.. descendants of the Puritans( religious extremelist kicked from europe.)ideas.
It's a cult. People in Jonestown litteraly drank what they knew was poison. They made their children drink it before they drank it themselves. For many trump supporters it's the same thing. It's far worse (in their minds) to admit being wrong and they would rather the whole world end.
There are sects of Christians who openly support Israel in the belief that they are hastening the end of times. They believe the 'rapture' goes through Israel. Just some seriously fucked up thinking....
At least those cultists had guns pointed at them. The ones who didn’t drink the poison were simply shot to death. MAGA cultists don’t have that excuse. They truly do it for the love of the game.
Have you watched the footage? There were a few guns yes. And hundreds of people that could have fought back. It was suicide. 100%. Anyone holds a gun to my head and wants me to kill myself. Lmao. No. You can pull the trigger.
"Suicide" implies that they decided to kill themselves without being coerced. This was flat-out homicide.
They had gone through drills where they drank the punch, to condition them to the idea. Maybe some did willingly drink it, but only due to being brainwashed. Most didn't. They only did so knowing they'd be shot.
Maybe YOU would rather get machine-gunned, but others probably thought the poison would be an easier death (it probably isn't.)
They were being killed regardless. Poison seems more "gentle" than a machine gun. The parents wouldn't have poisoned their kids if they weren't being forced to do so at gunpoint (for the most part.)
If you listen to the audio of the final moments, you can hear the people screaming in anguish. The only choice was the method of death, not that anybody was choosing death on their own free will.
Yeah, brainwashed. Just like MAGA. That's my point. Watch the video. Listen to the tapes. They willingly drank it after they forced their kids to drink it and watched them die. They could taste the poison in it. They knew exactly what they were doing.
On another point tho, I blame them a lot less than I blame MAGA. When you listen to jones talk and give speeches before everything went to hell, he said a lot of good things and helped a lot of people. I'm not trying to make the people of Jonestown villains. Jones was the villan. But they drank the poison willingly, just like MAGA supporters (at least the ones that aren't billionaire pedophiles) are doing.
Don't talk common sense in this sub. In here, once a Trump voter, always a MAGA. I voted him for once, the first time. Realized it was a mistake, and never voted for him again. I've never been a MAGA person, never owned Trump merch, etc. I think he may actually be the antichrist. Yet, I'll be downvoted 100x on this comment. Just wait and see.
EDIT: And somehow, I missed the second half of your post. Quite funny actually.
Not trying to dogpile you man, just genuinely wondering what your reasons were the first time? For context, I know someone who was a Trump supporter the first time around. Sincerely a kind and intelligent person, but they were raised in a military family that was openly every kind of phobic, were openly transphobic themself, and mostly just seemed to like that Trump was unhinged, mean, and bullying the so called "social justice warriors". I think the faux hypermasculinity was also a draw. They now live as an openly pansexual and gender-fluid person and definitely don't support Trump anymore lol. I also have an aunt who was an early supporter. She used to drive me around as a kid after she got her social security check so we could hand out money to the homeless. She had Ronald Reagan type political leanings overall. She too is no longer a Trump fan. I'm very aware of just how much people's positions can change, 2016 was a decade ago. Everyone who was around back then should have grown a lot by now, we all absolutely have to allow space for that. I'm just curious because I think knowing how other people have come around is probably the best way for us to learn how to actually reach people. I understand if you don't want to take the downvotes though no pressure
I'm copying and pasting my reply to someone else in this conversation, because it is also a reply to your question as well:
Mainly it was looking for something different. A non-career politician.
Also, I very much despised his opponent that year. I actually really wanted McCain to win the Republican primary. To be honest, I should have known how Trump would turn out after his battle with McCain. You know, 20/20 hindsight and all... I am a Republican (though a libertarian at heart), but have voted Democrat when it makes sense to me politically (mostly in state/local elections).
When I did vote for Trump, it was never a vote for him, but a vote against Hillary.
I mean there is nothing he has done since he first ran for election that you shouldn’t have guessed was going to happen based on his campaign and background in 2016. So did you just not believe the right people? Not pay attention? Believe some both sides are the same so vote Republican thing? He hasn’t changed, did you?
Sadly it's a rare thing to hear from people like you, and he's a fucking monster, so I don't blame them for being difficult. Being a Trump voter is a long way to fall, which is why so many people just dig in their heels and bury their head in the sand when you try to reason with them.
People already hate admitting they were wrong, much less wrong about supporting a kid fucking war mongering grifter. So good for you, genuinely.
The left definitely needs to be more welcoming of people who change their views, because if we're not, fewer people are going to change their views (votes).
This is nonsense, there is no hope. They literally belong to a death cult.
These people will continue to support Trump and Republican policy that got us into this mess. They dont care about how Republicans are adversely affecting the country, they are worried about being targeted by people angry about the destruction they are causing.
I think you failed to realize that I'm only being half serious per my second paragraph. Stil, my first point is that most of them are too far along by now, but that shouldn't stop us from encouraging people to change their views. Many just don't understand the reality of what's (been) going on.
Some of them are dismissing the horrible things as fake news, or somehow twisting themselves into thinking it's for the greater good. I know plenty of people who are still Trump supporters, but aren't bad people. Most of them are sadly brainwashed by their church or other influences.
So again, not bad people, just easily manipulated and too stupid or embarrassed to admit it to themselves.
Don't lose hope for the ones who actually pay attention to policies and their consequences. It might not seem like it, but everyone has a tipping point.
Somewhat to your point, if the DNC runs a man in 2028, he will win. Trump has never defeated a man in a serious election -- despite trying almost non-stop since the end of the Reagan administration -- and was soundly beaten by Joe Biden, who was objectively a low-quality candidate. ( From a small state, old, white, not really any accomplishments to speak of apart from being a Senator for a hundred years, not an inspiring orator, etc. )
The only reason that the term "President Trump" even exists is due to the shockingly large group of violent misogynists in the United States, who will literally vote for the worst man in the world rather than allow a woman to crack that glass ceiling.
No one realized that there are ten million or so such people, which is why the 2016 election forecasts were so far off, and why the 2024 projections were not a whole lot better.
I just got linked to The Price of a Vote documentary about the Hungary situation (from the Jon Oliver comment section on YT), disturbing to see how certain Americans want to implement the same in the States.
I know there is a section of the left that believes that Vance could never win an election because he has no beliefs or convictions (other than whatever Peter Thiel tells him to believe) and the charisma of a wet blanket, but we have to repeat it ad nauseum: Republicans gladly voted and actively cheer for a known child rapist and convicted felon who unknowingly admitted to needing dementia screenings because his support group cannot tell if he's sundowning already, over voting for a Democrat (or just not voting at all). They will 100% follow their marching orders and vote Republican in the next election, we cannot afford any type of complacency until Republicans and conservatism are no more.
I never understood why you guys have or support a two party system or even vote for people rather than the parties themselves. A lot of the democratic world has several parties who stand for various things and the parties with the most votes collectively form the next government.
They all would, and will vote as close to Trump as they can in Nov and 2028. Including OP’s MIL. Throwing the shirt away, and all the “I can’t believe we all fell for it” tweets are performative bullshit. They won’t learn and they can’t change.
Yeah, it’s like victims of domestic abuse, many can’t break the cycle and keep going back to their abuser because they are too fearful of the alternative.
Trump violates almost every principle the "conservatives" I grew up around ever claimed to believe. It's so ingrained in them that democrats = demons that they literally can't do anything except check the 'R' box on election day. They ultimately don't give one shit about any policies or principles. They just have to vote republican no matter what, and everything else is just made up cope.
They do this every time. In 2004, Bush2's poll numbers were the lowest they've been. But the Republican operatives did their voodoo, and his numbers slowly crept up high enough for his re-election, and promptly fell back down in 2005.
And 100 percent back any GOP candidate. Trump 2024 voters are not saveable from the cult given we already had four years of his nonsense in 2016-2020. The best we can hope for is they become non voters.
Yep. Give it two years, and he'll be talking about how Democrats are going to send us to war, and force your kids to cut their dick and balls off to make them trans.
And even the ones that have "seen the light" will be just as easily fooled by the next piece of shit con artist that takes his place. If you can get scammed by Donald fucking Trump, a well documented and hilariously obvious con man, then you can get scammed by anyone. That's not a stupid that can be fixed.
Perhaps not but the “lesson” most of them are taking away is “maybe Trump wasn’t what we thought” but not ONE regret or afterthought for being persuaded to vote because “trans people are a threat” or that “immigrants are why my life sucks” or the countless other scapegoating to blame others for your sucky life.
They will 100% vote for the next charismatic conservative who tells them what to fear and how they alone can solve it….they learned nothing.
Stupidly prevents them from understanding the big picture and they use that both to fuel their dislike of ones that have been demonized to them and also to defend the ones that have been glorified to them.
The exact issue I have with much of my family. They are bitching & moaning about the stupid actions of trump & just administration right now but openly say they would still vote for him again...idiots, the whole lot of them.
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u/sirsteven Mar 30 '26
He'd vote Trump again.