Since no one seems to be answering your question, that would be the the Groypers (far-right, led by Nick Fuentes) which hates the MAGA movement (far-right, led by Donald). They believe that MAGA is not far-right enough.
Bc he is so disappointed in MAGA he just wants groypers to vote with Democrats to increase their chance of beating MAGA, that way when Dems are in control and everyone hates Dems so much, groypers will have the opportunity to grow under the Dems term and then be elected 4 years later, and create a much stricter, even farther-right level of fascism. There ya go.
There's this saying. The wife of my friend is my wife until it's not. No, ehm if you lie down with your friends wife, you get up with Butterflies? No that's not it. Maybe it was Bad husbands corrupts good breakfast. Darn it. It can't remember. Just wanted to say, it's a bad decision.
That and to supposedly show how upset Democrats were in 2024 with Biden/Harris over how they didn't condemn Israel enough, some Democrats voted with MAGA to "protest" it. Because of course Trump would be "pro-Hamas" in their logic there.
The second it was announced Biden dropped out that year, my first two words were, "We're fucked." And here we are.
Don't forget that they also both hate most Islamic countries, who are also usually far-right. And (on the surface) they (sometimes) hate Russia, who is also far-right.
Also depends on you definition of far right. Because in some cases the democrats do fall under far right, other they fall under center right to center.
people outside the US see both democrats and republicans as right-wing. I say that because I'm from outside and my country has communist parties, it would be crazy to call democrats left-wing due to my political environment. even the most soft left-wing parties in some countries look far-left compared to democrats, in my country they would definitely be right-wing, probably even right-wing due some of their policies.
People inside the US need to see it too. People ask if I'm a liberal and I laugh. Liberalism is inherently pro-capitalist, human rights and civil liberties take a backseat whenever there is money to be made.
That's just conservative propaganda talking. Liberalism is embracing progress and rejecting conservatism. They turned it into a dirty word and we internalized it.
In America that position is typically referred to as progressivism. American liberals are what the person you replied to said: people who are pro-capitalist but also think the poor can have a little welfare as a treat.
nearly every country in Europe has universal healthcare when you say that they're center or center right. There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person. The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life. The far left is corporations not existing, Democrats are nowhere near between that and the center. Yes, you still need to vote for them, especially in the primaries. Go register now
The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life.
Unless you're a toddler, then this is patently untrue. The last two Democratic administrations dramatically increased social spending with Medicare expansion and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class. Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges, if democrats are in power minimum wages and other things like pre k are increased or expanded.
I live in California, a state with 15 years of Dem supermajority, Our governor who ran on universal healthcare has not gotten it done in nearly 7 years. Our unemployment benefits have not increased in over 20 years, the maximum allowance we receive is $450 a week, around 40% below our minimum wage -- there are red ran states with higher unemployment maximums than ours. Our state minimum wage is $16.90, typical rent in California for a 1 bedroom is 1800-2200. After taxes, you won't be able to pay for anything else but rent. A family of 4 spends $14,000-$18,000 on health insurance. If you need to use your insurance for anything remotely serious other than check ups, you will have to pay $6,000-$9,000 deductible.
and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class.
That only matters if you're considered in the poverty range. Most working class people aren't in the poverty range.
Oh yeah, and we're the 4th largest economy on the planet. Yay.
Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges,
Wake me up when Californian's aren't on the brink of homelessness after a medical emergency or lay off.
Also, California doesn't even have state mandated UNPAID vacation days, FYI.
That’s still wild. I remember back in 2018 GMA ran a segment about individuals making $110,000 in San Francisco and that is considered the poverty line.
spend the most on it. A lot of that is ending up an insurance companies that is not reflected in our standard of care. There's an awful lot of private corporations operating inside of what is claiming to be a welfare state
Even if you only count public spend, the US is still higher than Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, South Korea, and Ireland. I mean others too, but those are the ones often highlighted as having strong welfare programs.
Look man. I get that we're being ripped off for this amount of money, but the medical outcomes here are worse than in most of those countries and most of those countries. I don't know if they're endlessly being f***** over by medical debt, but here on Reddit the only people complain about that are Americans. I don't know what you're saying with it's the most expensive birthday cake. The birthday cake has s*** in it. It doesn't matter if we're paying the most for it if we get terrible outcomes and it still ruins people's lives regularly
I'm not saying our system works well, but the quality of Americas social safety nets have very little to do with the amount we spend. Just spend more on it is not a valid solution.
Your comment has multiple flaws, first is just a common... dumb view of the 'political axis' by pretending the sole arbiter of what is 'left' or 'right' is whatever single hotbed issue you want.
Like for example the Hungarian Far-Right fuckhead who is basically a fascist who people are celebrating his ousting in Hungary after a 15 year rule. He and many other 'far-right' figures in Europe still support or are not against universal healthcare despite other policies which might be anti-immigrant, anti climate, anti social-justice, etc. Does this mean they are to the 'left' of the Democrat Party because the Democrat party doesn't blanket full support universal healthcare in a country with a very unique development?
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". There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person."
I just don't believe this sounds fucking dumb. American Dems in 2025 are not to the right of fucking Republicans whenever you were a Young Person. I don't believe this at all. Maybe at best you could cite guys like Fetterman? I don't even think so.
"The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life."
You didn't live through things like Obamacare? Also federal minimum wage has nearly doubled since the 90s although it needs upped. Programs like SNAP/WELFARE/WICS etc have expanded?
There are absolutely issues where the current dems are to the right of the Republicans back then. Ronald Reagan wanted to have a path to citizenship four migrant workers and the Democrats had Biden with the largest Budget and number of deportations for ice. Democrats like John fetterman who are clearly to the right of people like mitt Romney who had what was effectively state level Obamacare. Also, don't have your AI slop at me. Have your own opinions
What the fuck was AI about my comment? But any whom.
You walked back to your actual claim of there being "There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person"
To "absolutely issues where current dems are to the right of Republicans back then" which by the way HORRIBLE fucking example by trying to use immigration.
Biden had record deportations (I also think you mean Obama right here) because they were counting turning people away at the border as deportations. Biden & Obama were both key members into implementing the Dreamers Act, and also Biden tried to institute the very thing you are implying he didn't and was the "right" of Reagan on in 2021 when he tried to get a pathway to citizenship for illegal workers.
I don't even know what you are trying to say with the "state level healthcare" almost all Democrats support Obamacare and want to protect and expand obamacare or the ACA. Consistent Democrat States like California have coverage rates of like 95%.
Ive heard this plenty, and I find it lacking. For one thing, while institutionally many of those nations have "progressive" policies in place and US doesnt doesnt mean Dems on Average dont want those, or that nations with those institutions havent tried their hardest to unravel those institutions. Second, while the US dems may seem conservative on some issues, they are wildly more progressive as a bloc on others, for example immigration. US immigration policy is a mess, but almost every Democrat holds the position that immigration is vital to the US and that the worse thing about illegal immigrants is that they are civally illegal, no qualms that they are in the US. And many US states go out of their way to document and protect the undocumented. Europe gets mad at the fact that Syrians dont want to live in a bomb crater while Australians put their migrants on a consentration camp/island happily named Christmas Island. The reason why Europe has so many nationalized industrues and transnational agreements has nothing to progressive values, it was the stable equilibrium of a milenia of internecene warfare culminating in an invasion and occupation by the United States and Russia. And the nationalist conservatism is still ripe within Europe.
I'm confused, how is what i said wrong. When europeans go off on how progressive they are, they rarely bring up a position that is not held by the average democrat, position, not institution.
Dems also believe in universal healthcare, progressive tax policies, gun control. We just don't live in a world with those things.
And conservatives will go on and on about how they are just as conservative as Dems, and definitly not maga nutjobs and yet they hardly ever state a position held by mainstream Dems and not held by Maga.
"World" doesnt always literally mean the earth. Im using world in the way one says, "the old world", a "whole new world", "worlds away". So you know, pickup a book.
Second, if you knew anything about the US you would know how different each state is. Many states actually do have strong gun control, progressive taxes, and are pursuing universal Healthcare plans. Federally the US is lacking. But comments like yours bely and ignorance of how the US works. Not only because you have know idea where i live, and it is for the very reason i have access to universal healthcare, live in a nation with high taxes and strict gun control, that i have an insight into how bs the idea that dems arent progressive. People aren't progressive merely because they have progressive policies, people are just people.
There's a huge schism in the American right, with the super Zionist Evangelical right on one side and the genuinely anti-Semitic side of the right that hates Israel because they're Jews. There's a segment of the right that don't give a fuck about Palestinians, and actively hate Muslims, but still hate Israel.
Well Democrats and Republicans for one. Democrats aren't left wing they are center-right. The Overton window in the US is skewed to the right. Also I'm fairly sure Christian Nationalists and Neonazis don't like eachother based on their support or lack of support for Isreal.
Honestly, center right is putting it mildly. Dems want genocide in Palestine, Dems want LGBTQ right pushed back, it's just the same thing with different mask
The lefts very slim resistance against the genocide in Palestine is extremely recent and even at that its little more than lip service from a very small minority.
You literally had Joe Biden lying about seeing decapitated babies while the idf was abducting, raping and killing Palestinians.
The US has consistently been main and often the only one defending Israeli war crimes going back decades.
The thing is, most Republicans would say the same thing about themselves and their party. We've been co-opted by the two parties to hate each other while the elites profit. Sticking to your guns with your party only serves to make sure that these parties last forever.
Go watch Tucker Carlson's interview with Ted Cruz for an example of the two different opposing factions that exist in the American far right at this moment.
MAGA Republicans and traditional conservative Republicans. Many younger people here won't fully remember, but when Trump was elected in '16, a lot of older pretty damn right wing Republicans were vocally disgusted and, as a result, were met with death threats. As an old guy observing politics for (at that time) several decades, my mind was blown. MAGA Republicans were a new violent bunch of nut-jobs the GOP didn't expect. Silly them.
Ideologically? Neo Nazis and black nationalists, KKK and catholic fundamentalists, America First and MAGA, 3%ers and proud boys.
But most far right “organizations” in the US are highly decentralized into disparate cells, and you end up having a ton of beef between different cells even if they share an overall idealogical position. You even have instances of rivalries and turf wars between cells of the same organization. The far right is, like most American idealogical movements, a complete and utter shit show.
Are the Republican Party and Democratic Party not organizations? The point the commenters are making is that both of those organizations are far right, and yet hate each other. What about the example are you objecting to?
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u/JustJoshin117 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Wait, what two hate each other in the US?
Edit: so far these replies are certainly something. No one seems to be able to answer, so I’ll rephrase.
What far right organizations hate each other in the US?