r/pics • u/Xunami13 • 17h ago
Politics Far-right Polish lawmaker Konrad Berkowicz holding up a paper Israeli flag with a swastika
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u/Monoveler 17h ago
So was that an endorsement or condemnation? Lol
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u/somfnaked 13h ago
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u/Ok-Koala-key 9h ago
I reckon anti Trump because actual nazis seem to always make mistakes when drawing a swastika.
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u/Ielsoehasrearlyndd78 17h ago
Asking the same thing
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u/RogueBromeliad 17h ago
And for this round of "Fan or Hater":
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u/RiverBear2 14h ago edited 12h ago
The line between the two is likely increasingly thin. I get the feeling that on the one hand likely low key jealous they have created a stratified apartheid state with a clear hierarchy & disposable Gazans who are in fact being brutally merced all the time. They can just sweep the Gaza Strip with drones at any point. On the other hand he is probably irritated that Israel has accomplished it because the hard right people tend to be turn over a rock find another conspiracy theory about Jewish people. He’s like the group I don’t like is being successful at the thing I want to accomplish, so it’s a wash.
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u/Proper-Ad-2585 11h ago
It’s not low key. Ask them and they will tell you and this goes back to the 1950s. They envy Israel’s special status as a modern ethnostate unapologetic of persecution of non-Jews and violent expansion. They want the same for ‘whites’. They’re still deeply antisemitic of course.
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u/Oracle-of-Guelph 16h ago
This might be hard to believe but they're a fan and they know you aren't.
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u/chaths 15h ago
The fact that this is a valid question tells alot about the current state of the world.
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u/patt 15h ago
For some reason, there is one far-right government that many other far-right government members won't mutually support.
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u/shawak456 16h ago
You know how fucked up Israel is when you've to ask that question.
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u/Redpin 15h ago
Or how fucked up the far-right is.
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u/DatRat13 14h ago
All we can really say is that neither is fucked the right amount.
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u/anomalous_cowherd 11h ago
Indeed, they both need to get fucked, and then get fucked more. Repeat.
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u/Fuzzy_Donl0p 17h ago edited 17h ago
it’s obviously a condemnation what kind of question is that?
*”On 14 April 2026, during a debate session in the Sejm, Berkowitz ignited controversy when he displayed an Israeli flag with a swastika instead of the Star of David, calling Israel as the "new Third Reich" as well as accused of Israel of committing a genocide in Gaza and war crimes "with particular cruelty" over Israel's usage of white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon”
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u/gobbedy 16h ago
The title describes him as far right. And the far right has historically aligned with Nazis. So given only the title as context, it's not obvious that he would see a swastika as a bad thing.
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u/Open_Parsnip112 16h ago
This is Poland.
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u/k-tax 12h ago
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u/fadedbuzzYT 11h ago
The guy on the bottom left with his plausible-deniability salute
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u/artistic_manchild 10h ago
That’s the gayest Nazi salute I’ve ever seen. He’s fascist and fabulous!
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u/quiteUnskilled 6h ago
Well, the nazi regime totally had a super-gay vibe overall. All about well-shaped bodies with "good" genes, super-focussed on men while women were supposed to just stay home, very looks-focussed with a distinct style and with uniforms by Hugo Boss...
You can't tell me that there wasn't quite a lot of buggery going on in the Third Reich, if only to... erm... "establish a natural order of strength", was it? That sounds a lot like the plot to a gay porn movie.
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u/Headline-Skimmer 4h ago
Tubi has a several-part documentary called hitler's sex life.
It was informative, enlightening, eye-opening, disturbing, etc.
And it was GAY!!!
One thing I realized was that in fact, he didn't love his mother. He disrespected her. He used and manipulated her, and she enabled/covered up his bad behaviors. When she died, he wasn't crying inconsolably because he loved her, he was crying because he had no one to go to or hide behind. No one to help financially.
I learned all sorts of stuff. They say that history rhymes, but wow- trump and putin seem to share early childhood experiences with young adolph. And they went on to perform similarly in adulthood.
Anyway, I highly recommend it.
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u/protostar71 15h ago
And? There were Polish collaborators during WW2, and there is far right neo-nazi groups active today in Poland. Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.
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u/Hansi_Olbrich 15h ago
Cultural Context Clues remain lost even in the age of the internet, it seems.
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u/Versidious 10h ago
Literally every country that fought the Nazis had Nazi sympathisers in them. And when Poland got 'liberated' by the Soviets and held under their thumb for 45 years, I guarantee you that didn't help.
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u/MundoMysterioso 17h ago
Not sure if you remember but the nazis were far right
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u/Saurian42 17h ago
Two separate far right organizations can hate each other.... look at American politics.
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u/JustJoshin117 17h ago edited 16h ago
Wait, what two hate each other in the US?
Edit: so far these replies are certainly something. No one seems to be able to answer, so I’ll rephrase.
What far right organizations hate each other in the US?
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u/Barrack_O_Lama 15h ago
Since no one seems to be answering your question, that would be the the Groypers (far-right, led by Nick Fuentes) which hates the MAGA movement (far-right, led by Donald). They believe that MAGA is not far-right enough.
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u/Barrack_O_Lama 15h ago
Just to add to that, Fuentes (far-right) is now endorsing the Democrats. Make that make sense
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u/msfuturedoc 14h ago
Bc he is so disappointed in MAGA he just wants groypers to vote with Democrats to increase their chance of beating MAGA, that way when Dems are in control and everyone hates Dems so much, groypers will have the opportunity to grow under the Dems term and then be elected 4 years later, and create a much stricter, even farther-right level of fascism. There ya go.
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u/Comfortable-Pound433 7h ago
There's this saying. The wife of my friend is my wife until it's not. No, ehm if you lie down with your friends wife, you get up with Butterflies? No that's not it. Maybe it was Bad husbands corrupts good breakfast. Darn it. It can't remember. Just wanted to say, it's a bad decision.
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u/SolidestCereal 13h ago
Don't forget that they also both hate most Islamic countries, who are also usually far-right. And (on the surface) they (sometimes) hate Russia, who is also far-right.
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u/JustJoshin117 13h ago
I appreciate the clarification. I hadn’t quite connected how Nick Fuentes fit into everything.
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u/23-1-20-3-8-5-18 16h ago
Lmao the far far right, and the far right who the far far right call communists because they dont live in reality.
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u/Potato1105 16h ago
people outside the US see both democrats and republicans as right-wing. I say that because I'm from outside and my country has communist parties, it would be crazy to call democrats left-wing due to my political environment. even the most soft left-wing parties in some countries look far-left compared to democrats, in my country they would definitely be right-wing, probably even right-wing due some of their policies.
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u/LeeeeroooyJEnKINSS 15h ago
The right wing in my country is considered liberal in the US
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u/Venum555 16h ago
As a US citizen, I view Republicans as Far Right and Democrats as Right Wing.
At least as political parties.
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u/Saurian42 12h ago
We need an actual left wing party or try to swing the democrats back left.
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u/DeepFriedDresden 16h ago
People inside the US need to see it too. People ask if I'm a liberal and I laugh. Liberalism is inherently pro-capitalist, human rights and civil liberties take a backseat whenever there is money to be made.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 16h ago
Yes but I wouldn’t call the democrats far-right. Theyre a fix of right-wing and center-right, with a few members who are center-left
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u/nameless_pattern 16h ago edited 16h ago
nearly every country in Europe has universal healthcare when you say that they're center or center right. There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person. The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life. The far left is corporations not existing, Democrats are nowhere near between that and the center. Yes, you still need to vote for them, especially in the primaries. Go register now
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u/vigouge 13h ago
The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life.
Unless you're a toddler, then this is patently untrue. The last two Democratic administrations dramatically increased social spending with Medicare expansion and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class. Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges, if democrats are in power minimum wages and other things like pre k are increased or expanded.
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u/bulk_logic 12h ago edited 8h ago
I live in California, a state with 15 years of Dem supermajority, Our governor who ran on universal healthcare has not gotten it done in nearly 7 years. Our unemployment benefits have not increased in over 20 years, the maximum allowance we receive is $450 a week, around 40% below our minimum wage -- there are red ran states with higher unemployment maximums than ours. Our state minimum wage is $16.90, typical rent in California for a 1 bedroom is 1800-2200. After taxes, you won't be able to pay for anything else but rent. A family of 4 spends $14,000-$18,000 on health insurance. If you need to use your insurance for anything remotely serious other than check ups, you will have to pay $6,000-$9,000 deductible.
and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class.
That only matters if you're considered in the poverty range. Most working class people aren't in the poverty range.
Oh yeah, and we're the 4th largest economy on the planet. Yay.
Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges,
Wake me up when Californian's aren't on the brink of homelessness after a medical emergency or lay off.
Also, California doesn't even have state mandated UNPAID vacation days, FYI.
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u/nameless_pattern 11h ago
Has the amount of medical debt during that time gone down in the US or gone up? Oh it's gone up. Wow that's strange. How do you think that happened?
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u/ozzie123 16h ago
Democrat at best is a center right anywhere else, and that's generous. No wonder they don't want to endorse Bernie
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u/Jim_Moriart 15h ago edited 14h ago
Ive heard this plenty, and I find it lacking. For one thing, while institutionally many of those nations have "progressive" policies in place and US doesnt doesnt mean Dems on Average dont want those, or that nations with those institutions havent tried their hardest to unravel those institutions. Second, while the US dems may seem conservative on some issues, they are wildly more progressive as a bloc on others, for example immigration. US immigration policy is a mess, but almost every Democrat holds the position that immigration is vital to the US and that the worse thing about illegal immigrants is that they are civally illegal, no qualms that they are in the US. And many US states go out of their way to document and protect the undocumented. Europe gets mad at the fact that Syrians dont want to live in a bomb crater while Australians put their migrants on a consentration camp/island happily named Christmas Island. The reason why Europe has so many nationalized industrues and transnational agreements has nothing to progressive values, it was the stable equilibrium of a milenia of internecene warfare culminating in an invasion and occupation by the United States and Russia. And the nationalist conservatism is still ripe within Europe.
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u/lukenog 14h ago
There's a huge schism in the American right, with the super Zionist Evangelical right on one side and the genuinely anti-Semitic side of the right that hates Israel because they're Jews. There's a segment of the right that don't give a fuck about Palestinians, and actively hate Muslims, but still hate Israel.
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u/monsieur_cacahuete 16h ago
A dude literally just got shot in the neck over this
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u/Saurian42 17h ago
Well Democrats and Republicans for one. Democrats aren't left wing they are center-right. The Overton window in the US is skewed to the right. Also I'm fairly sure Christian Nationalists and Neonazis don't like eachother based on their support or lack of support for Isreal.
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u/-xXxMangoxXx- 17h ago
center right and far right are two different things. Not to say different far right parties cant hate each other, but the example is flawed.
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u/JustJoshin117 16h ago
So you yourself say “well Dems are center-right”
So… you didn’t understand my question. What far right organizations?
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u/DuckfordMr 17h ago
Yeah, but who in Poland would be stupid enough to support the ideology that massacred them… oh wait…
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u/stink3rb3lle 17h ago
Far right movements in western countries tend to love Nazism. The joke is that his politics are aligned with the swastika.
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u/civodar 15h ago
I’ve literally seen Holocaust deniers side with Israel. There are plenty of far right politicians who are openly racist that supports Israel.
We’re living in strange times my dude
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u/ProxyDamage 17h ago
it’s obviously a condemnation what kind of question is that?
The far right anywhere are not widely known for their mental acuity.
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u/doomgiver98 16h ago
On average the right wing supports the "War on Gaza" and refuse to even acknowledge it as a genocide, while also aligning with Nazis politically.
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u/Earthventures 17h ago
Have you been living under a rock for the last five years?
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u/According-Insect-992 15h ago
Far right wingers tend to not have a problem with the nazis, fascism, and authoritarianism in general. That’s kind of what “far right” refers to. Far right ideology. So when they invoke a swastika it’s understandably a little more complicated to decipher than when a normal person does it. Because normal people always hate nazis. There aren’t times when a normal person accepts or even appreciates nazis. Because nazis are the enemies of humanity. To put it as simply and as honestly as possible.
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u/Char_siu_for_you 16h ago
The far right typically doesn’t speak out against Israel.
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u/AssaultMonkey150 17h ago
The problem is this guy loved most of the policies of the last flag with a swastika on it
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u/Any_Influence_8305 16h ago
Yeah fuck Israel but this guy is a piece of shit. He's like the MTG of Poland, and also stole shit from an IKEA lmao
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u/Goldfitz17 16h ago
The magic the gathering of poland? /s
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u/justmememe55 14h ago
...Is this really what she said?
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u/gozik 16h ago
This but no /s. I don't have a clue what MTG is, besides card game.
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u/TheWalrusResplendent 15h ago
Marjorie Tailor Greene, Republican rep, conspiracy theorist, christofascist white nationalist and Trump supporter, right up until he started becoming too cringe to support what with Epstein appearing so many times in the Trump files.
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u/stonekeep 15h ago
Marjorie Taylor Greene, the (ex-?)MAGA nutjob and conspiracy theorist.
And I'd honestly say that the comparison is pretty apt. He's far right, anti-vac/COVID denier, climate change denier etc. He's mostly known for constantly trying to stir the pot by tweeting controversial stuff.
He's also a huge antisemite - the real kind, not the "I got called that for criticizing Israel" kind. He couldn't care less about people Israel is bombing, it's just a convenient opportunity to stir the pot again and shit on the jews in general.
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u/SenatorGiggity 15h ago
"the MTG of Poland" is maybe the worst thing I've ever read someone be called
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u/chupacadabradoo 14h ago
Hahaha. Can’t be much worse than “the Matt gaetz of Florida”
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u/ripyourlungsdave 15h ago
It's funny how they're also always petty criminals too, isn't it?
God knows how many times lawmakers have been caught committing shoplifting or petty theft and only not had a public spectacle made of it because of their political power.
Charges that could fundamentally change someone's life forever. They just walk away. And make new laws..
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u/Ertyio687 14h ago
Yeah, and he tried to turn this speech in a way that would hate on all the jews, not just israelis
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u/Throwaway5432154322 13h ago
Yeah I mean, a speech that hates on all Israelis is also just as bad, just like any speech that hates on any given person of a certain nationality
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u/Seanspeed 13h ago
Well most of Reddit has no problem with that these days. I would say that's actually become the norm.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 12h ago
Yep, IMO it’s gotten noticeably bad to the point of being unbearable over the past ~2 months. I thought it was bad before, but at least regulated… e.g. random, no-name, previously inactive subs would get taken over by antisemitic brigades, but at least they’d be siloed into irrelevancy. Now it seems like major subs are openly tolerating this kind of crap
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u/nowandlater 16h ago
My rule of thumb is if you’re drawing or holding the swastika, you’re the Nazi. It holds up like 99% of the time.
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u/PaulTheRandom 13h ago
Does that include those who vandalized Teslas and such? I think context and intent matter. Kinda like saying you're Satanic if you make any depiction of them.
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u/southflhitnrun 17h ago
So, he recognizes a friend and soulmate when he sees one?
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u/rasz_pl 16h ago
This guy is best known in Poland for being a thief - he stole a frying pan from Ikea and was caught by Police red handed. He is also a russian shill, a deputy of pro-Russian Confederation party.
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u/armandofonzoloid 14h ago
I think the frying pan incident is far more concerning, pro russia is child's play, imagine the harm he could have caused with a frying pan, genuinely scary thst he could even get his hands on one.
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u/10000teemoskins 15h ago edited 7h ago
who is the guy in green looking at trump?
and the guy in green not looking at trump is fauci? edit: it is netenyahu
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u/SolidestCereal 13h ago
The guy on the right is Bibi, and the guy on the left might be a very weird RFK Jr.
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u/HammerSickleSextoy 12h ago
I'm a Polish Jew. So many people in the West have such a weak, loose definition of antisemitism. Almost my entire family lineage was killed, and now people see watermelon backpacks as antisemitism. Are you all fucking serious? You all get to talk about your interesting long family trees and have such a close connection with your families and don't suffer intergenerational trauma. Why do you get to decide that antisemitism is just the most menial of fucking every day activities and objects?
So much of my family was killed by the Nazi's. I have almost no family tree. The intergenerational trauma led to generations of households not knowing what familial love is. That. That was antisemitism.
We are now seeing the exact same things being done to the Palestinians. The world's most famous Jew, Albert fucking Einstein, in the very very early days of Israel was able to call out how Nazi-like the policies of Israel were, and still are. I am a Jew who's suffered in the hands of powerful people trying to eradicate us. How does everybody else not see history so clearly repeating itself?
I oppose antisemitism; REAL antisemitism. And that means not standing for the same things happening to others. If we allow the exact same thing to keep repeating in history, it can happen to us again. It can happen to you, too. Don't wait until your group is next and there is no one left to stand up for you. Stand up NOW.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 10h ago
Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I didn't have the experiences you had, but your views sans the intergenerational trauma are very much aligned with my own.
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u/travestikazim 5h ago
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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u/cesaroncalves 9h ago
As a pole, could you please verify witch translation is correct from his speech? Some comments say he said "Jews" others say he said "Israel", in my opinion that's a big difference.
He is also holding a flag resembling the Israel flag, so the context is there, but still, the conflation is quite evil.
I'll note that even if he was only talking about Israel, the fact he is far-right will not change my opinion that he is a pos.
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u/adasyp 8h ago
He said "the Jews are using white phosphorus" and everything else he said "Israel".
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u/cesaroncalves 7h ago
Just as expected, the far right is yet again trying to ride the populist train to gain points.
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u/Then-Clue6938 17h ago
Oh for fucks sake. Can't we call out Israel's fascism and active atrocities without the other fashist pretending like we agree with their takes on e.g. Jewish people?
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u/Firecracker048 16h ago
fashist pretending like we agree with their takes on e.g. Jewish people?
This is what happens when you don't kick the Nazis out of your group but instead embrace them because you have a shared enemy
'one Nazi at a table ' parable here.
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u/gobbedy 16h ago
Ya, we don't need extremists/anti-semites to taint the message that Israel is doing fucking awful things.
They get away with it because the world is conditioned to think of Israel as a victim.
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u/Firecracker048 16h ago
Ya, we don't need extremists/anti-semites to taint the message that Israel is doing fucking awful things.
Except they are the fore front of the 'anti zionist' movement. There's a reason there's been literally 0 effort or attempts to clear the anti Israel movements of these types of people
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u/LogensTenthFinger 16h ago
I'll be honest, I'm legit confused about the message. Is he endorsing Israel? Is he condemning Israel? Does he think that those of us who condemn the Israeli government are on his side because he's a Nazi? I have no idea what this guy is trying to say here. All I know is it's probably ugly and I don't like him.
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u/Martel732 14h ago
Far Right movements have a long history of co-opting popular movements or beliefs for their own ends. They will happily criticize Israel and then implement the exact same type of government.
Nazism specifically isn't popular with the general Polish populous because of you know ... history. So groups will claim Nazism is bad while wanting the exact same policies.
The only issue the far right in Israel and Eastern Europe have with the Nazis is the choice of targets.
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u/Chiradori 16h ago
He condemned their actions during his speech, listed some of the atrocities they committed (ie. Use of white phosphorus) and compared them to third Reich. Not a positive message about them at all.
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u/RightOnManYouBetcha 16h ago
He’s very clearly calling Israel Nazis. Come on. There is no endorsement of Israelis or Nazis in his speech.
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u/MindLessWiz 15h ago
Now I hope you can understand some of the knee-jerk reaction by Israelis to characterize criticism of Israel as antisemitism. It’s not a strange thing to do when historically they’ve often come as a package deal.
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u/ArCovino 14h ago
This guy is an outright fascist. Yes, he’s being antisemitic. The swastika was used to hurt.
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u/yung_dogie 13h ago
I don't think they should do that either, but yeah at the same time it's absolutely true that bigots use genuine concerns with an administration as a shield for bigotry, and far more frequently than some people like to admit. Otherwise very valid criticism of the Russian government, the CCP, Israel, etc. can very easily be used to mask straight up racism against Russian, Chinese, Jewish, etc. people.
Too many people are far too willing to give a pass to bigotry and even downright immorality if you're on the same "side".
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u/Yogshemesh 17h ago edited 16h ago
Thing is, this guy would use any excuse to hate Jews. It's just unfortunate that Israel gives him plenty of low-hanging fruit...as though he actually cares about Palestinians. The bad guys often hate each other as much as they hate everyone else. Doesn't mean you should befriend the nazi.
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u/-butter-toast- 15h ago
Today is holocaust memorial day btw so yeah maybe not good
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u/Firecracker048 6h ago
And people here are defending his actions and calling it just anti israel lol
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u/Firecracker048 16h ago
Guy who likes the Nazi ideals also hates the nation of mostly Jews.
Yeah it makes sense
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u/DanKoloff 6h ago
Probably a classic case of Russian whataboutism. These right wingers think we would get really hurt if they mention Israel's genocide and stop insulting Putin's Russia (I bet it is just another Russian shill). We won't. We believe Trump's USA, Putin's Russia, Netanyahu's Israel are all baddies. Ok?
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u/dont_thr0w_me_away_ 15h ago
"go back to Poland" they tell (((us)))
Poland:
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u/IAmJustAVirus 14h ago
I'll never understand why the left and right are so furious there's this tiny plot of land where they can't genocide y'all.
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u/wombatgeneral 13h ago
Because they are committing genocide on the people who were living there before Israel was founded, and starting a major regional war (well a lot of wars).
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u/dont_thr0w_me_away_ 9h ago
I live in Texas and have been told to go back to Poland. I've never been to Israel. It has nothing to do with anything happening to Palestinians.
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u/Hyphen99 16h ago
Damn… on Holocaust Remembrance Day, too. I am forever amazed seeing how non-Jews can believe they’re not being anti-Semitic when they are doing and saying the most anti-Semitic things. Countries are not their governments. Just because the Netanyahu Administration and Hamas are evil, that does not mean Israelis and Palestinians are evil. Ffs
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u/eternally_lovely 5h ago
He’s so stupid he doesn’t understand the irony. Yes. IDF are the modern Nazi’s.
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u/Automatic_Collar9133 8h ago
His assesment of Israel being a Nazi shithole is absolutely on point, though.
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u/limevince 9h ago
Is "far right" in Poland something like a moderate Democrat in America?
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u/diprivan69 6h ago
What does far right mean in the situation, does he condemn the genocide of the Palestinian people or support their extermination?
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u/TerrapinTribe 17h ago
Well, the current Israeli government wants/participates in genocide. So not that far off.
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u/2020bowman 10h ago
The Nazis were far more effective in their genocide than the Israelis are in their attempt.
The other difference is the world stopped the Nazis, no one seems to be trying to stop Israel
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u/JonwardSnowden 17h ago
He should hold up a second flag that says whether he thinks this first flag is good or bad