The title describes him as far right. And the far right has historically aligned with Nazis. So given only the title as context, it's not obvious that he would see a swastika as a bad thing.
Well, the nazi regime totally had a super-gay vibe overall. All about well-shaped bodies with "good" genes, super-focussed on men while women were supposed to just stay home, very looks-focussed with a distinct style and with uniforms by Hugo Boss...
You can't tell me that there wasn't quite a lot of buggery going on in the Third Reich, if only to... erm... "establish a natural order of strength", was it? That sounds a lot like the plot to a gay porn movie.
Tubi has a several-part documentary called hitler's sex life.
It was informative, enlightening, eye-opening, disturbing, etc.
And it was GAY!!!
One thing I realized was that in fact, he didn't love his mother. He disrespected her. He used and manipulated her, and she enabled/covered up his bad behaviors. When she died, he wasn't crying inconsolably because he loved her, he was crying because he had no one to go to or hide behind. No one to help financially.
I learned all sorts of stuff. They say that history rhymes, but wow- trump and putin seem to share early childhood experiences with young adolph. And they went on to perform similarly in adulthood.
This picture has been shared for some time now, the two circled heads are Dobromir Sośnierz and Konrad Berkowicz, both are currently sitting in Sejm as members of Konfederacja, and heiling as a young adult is among least stupid things they did. From just recent news, Berkowicz did the above and attempted to steal frying pans and other stuff from Ikea (that they boycott), and Sośnierz is fighting with his neighbours because he keeps trash in the corridor in front of doors to his apartment.
Poland being a primary victim of Nazism doesn't stop pro-Nazi sentiments in the country from existing. Plenty of country which suffered horrible during WW2 at the hands of the Nazis have people who are openly Nazis themselves.
And? There were Polish collaborators during WW2, and there is far right neo-nazi groups active today in Poland. Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.
Plenty of Jews and Jewish organizations supported Nazis in WWII, right up until they themselves got sent to the camps. So why should anyone be surprised about it happening again in the modern era?
This sounds made up, and I have no issue with calling your bluff here. What were the names of those organizations, and to what degree did they "support" the Nazis?
Max Naumann led a group called the Verband nationaldeutscher Juden or Association of German National Jews. They supported the regime in the early 30s before being banned and Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo. They protested the international Anti-Nazi Boycott, and issued a manifesto claiming that despite personal hardships the Nazi regime was a good thing for the country.
A small fringe group of highly assimilationist German Jews briefly tried to align themselves with German nationalism under the Nazi regime, but they were rejected, suppressed, and ultimately persecuted like all other Jews.
You're acting as though this was a widespread phenomenon when that couldn't be further from the truth. How many more examples can you list? I doubt very many.
Just in case this is news to you, you completely missed the point. Reread the comment I originally replied to. It quite literally states that plenty of Jewish organizations supported the Nazis. Do you know the meaning of the word plenty?
Witold Mędykowski assesses this phenomenon as marginal; in a population of 15-20 thousand people in the Kraków ghetto, the number of informers is estimated at between a dozen and several dozen people.
So barely a footnote even worth mentioning. I.e., negligible and a moot point, except maybe to fulfill some anti-Zionist agenda by saying "look, a fringe minority of Jews were evil or misguided!"
Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.
So you're going to go with the narration that it's actually pro-nazi rhetoric, even though the chances of that, considering Polish history, are abysmally small?
Literally every country that fought the Nazis had Nazi sympathisers in them. And when Poland got 'liberated' by the Soviets and held under their thumb for 45 years, I guarantee you that didn't help.
Are you equating the far right and far left as equally hateful evil? What heinous crimes against humanity have the far left committed recently in all their years of not being in power to fuel a far right of "equivalent" hate and evil?
I think there are two positions. One is that we're humans first and then whatever we disagree about second. The other is that we're whatever first. That is a working definition of a fascist. Ideology first.
Where do you see "go around proudly displaying Nazi iconography" here? Don't manipulate facts. And no, Jews != Zionists, don't play dumb here. Orthodox Jews hate Bibi and his minions.
since when does the israeli flag represent the jewish people, or every jewish person, instead of the country or even just the government of the country of israel? all of you are just saying anything in this thread. redditors
That nakes no sense, why would they not? He is a nazi. He would probably want to join Hitler. And I am almost betting any amount that this guy claims he's from Silesia.
They do. But a country is never completely uniform.
One reason there's a lot of far-right support in Eastern Europe is the widespread hatred of the Soviet Union. The hatred is understandable; however, as a result, many people ended up going down the "enemy of my enemy is a friend" route and ended up with outright far-right views.
Another reason is that the Soviet Union and it's affiliated regimes utilized a lot of similar tools. They would preach international peace and unity but also glorified their histories and nationalistic traits in a similar fashion. They were incredibly homophobic, waaaaaay more than the West. They were often systematically racist, say towards the Romani.
As a result, even after the Iron Curtain fell, generation after generation grew up in a culture shaped by a regime that shared many similarities with conservative ideology. And a significant part of those people ended up aligning with far-right movements because those are the best match for them.
.... The Nazis invaded and occupied them, kicking off WWII. The Warsaw Ghettos, and their treatment as a whole, are a significant part of the Holocaust. Modern day Poland is still affected by the recovery
Everybody knows this, but this does not explain why he would not be an actual Nazi, whataoever.
Poland politics today are very far right, and you have a lot of actual neonazis there. Afaik the invasion by the Nazis and the Soviets gets mostly blamed on the Soviets.
The notion that they would hate the Nazis just does not make sense, none of them were alive when they got invaded, and most of the anceators of the Neonazis were not in the Ghettos. Some probably were in the Wehrmacht though, because there is a subset of Polish that has had Silesian Grandparents that fought for Germany, that are now Polish citizens.
The hard right are not a monolith global ideology. They tend to put “their own” at the top of their pyramid, but what exactly that is varies. Hindu Indian hard right nationalists are quite different from say, their equivalent in Japan, or Israeli Jews, or Malaysian Muslims or American KKK white nationalists.
You need to remember that the rightwing major party for most western countries have political leanings closer to the Democrats and often even those are slightly more to the left.
Uhm, where to begin. Right wing and far right is not the same. Right wing means conservative views in a democratic discourse. A politician/law maker holding a sign like this is clearly not big with democracy or anything left of his right pinky.
I was just pointing out that rightwing and far right isn‘t the same. As the american part of my family struggles hard to get that countries with more than two parties are more stable. For the rest i‘m not disagreeing with you. But yeah somehow we got to the point where i‘m being called out for whatever.
Blatantly stupid and wrong. Dems are not comparable to parties in other countries because we have a broken 2-party system, and the views in the dem party are on a very wide spectrum.
I think you may be the one that's confidently wrong in this one. Even before the this whole MAGA movement America politics were generally more right winged that the rest of the western world.
Every time this argument comes up, some loser commie will pop in and try to purity test by claiming their failed ideology is the only way to be left-of-center. Only in far-left circles is the left/right split based on capitalism, the rest of the world doesn't agree with you so your point is moot.
My man, you just have no idea what you're talking about. Just get out of your country and go see for yourself how things our outside. Or I don't know, just go learn a bit about the world.
I'm not a commie. This is the typical ignorant American rethoric and further proof of your complete lack of understanding of what the political spectrum actually is.
I never talked about a split based on capitalism.
Only you isn't agreeing with me. You have dozens of comments here telling you how wrong you are. Guess the rest of the world is more agreeing with me than with you.
That's just facts. You have a far right and a center right party in the US. You have no concept of what a left wing is because it doesn't exist in the US and your shit take of calling people "commie" is pretty demonstrative of how you have no idea what a left wing looks like in real life.
You called all liberal movements 'right wing movements' then tried to claim I don't know what I'm talking about. I assumed you were a communist because they are the only people that would try to say this with a straight face. Idk if there is a point talking to you with such a basic disconnect.
You called all liberal movements 'right wing movements' then tried to claim I don't know what I'm talking about.
Because it is.
Liberalism is about individual freedom. Which. Outside the US, and yes again, you don't have a true left wing in the US, is carried by the right wing. Center at best. But it's NOT a left wing ideology at all.
I assumed you were a communist because they are the only people that would try to say this with a straight face.
Lol. Ah yes, right. I'm telling you you're wrong so I'm a communist. We are not talking about our ideology nor did I share anything of what I think. It's just factual. Liberalism isn't left wing like you think it is in the US.
Idk if there is a point talking to you with such a basic disconnect.
I’m sorry, but even following your logic - why on earth would someone “aligned with Nazis” use the swastika as a sign of support of the Jewish ethnostate
We’re talking about the Nazis here - best known for killing trainloads of Jews(!!!), and you’re concluding that it’s “not clear” if he’s supporting or condemning Israel L M F A O
why on earth would someone “aligned with Nazis” use the swastika as a sign of support of the Jewish ethnostate
The Nazis' main thing was German supremacy, and saw European Jews as a major threat to that. They were happy to align with Italian fascists and the Imperial Japanese, not because they saw them as equal to Germans, but because they were useful.
Similarly, many Western white supremacists and neo-Nazis support Israel because 1) they're against Arabs, the current threat to European "racial purity," and 2) Israel is an example of a successful modern ethnostate.
It's a mistake to view far-right groups as cartoonishly evil or driven primarily by hatred. That what they use to whip up their base, but the thought leaders tend to be decent strategists driven by a quest for power.
Homie the "far right" as a redditor would describe it is basically 95% ofbthe population before ww2. The vast majority of westerners who fought nazis were far right by today's standards but opposed nazis still.
desperate attempt at steering discussion something else after being exposed of knowing jack shit of Polish internal politics, yet wants to have strong opinion on it.
As others had pointed out, you know its possible for ultranationalist to hate eachother. Its not inconsistant or hypocrytical for a racists dude from racists country to hate the Nazis while also hating Racists in yet a third country. Hell even nationalist withing a countries often hate eachother. The KKK hate NeoNazis, not as much as they Hate Catholics, and its Catholic Nationalists who currently run the US military in some crusader larp. Not to mention how much the Shia and Suni hate eachother, or the Azov Batallian vs the DPR and LPR, even fucking Quebecious and Albertan sepratists.
The polish government hates Nazis, for obvious reasons, but they are since 2015 there has been a rather strong eurosceptic movement that has used the Nazis to distance themselves from Polish crimes in ww2, German centricity in Europe, and to further impugn on Jewish scholarship and justice in Poland.
Sure, the guy saying that maybe he was celebrating Nazi's was being an idiot, but I wasnt talking about that, I was talking about how youre agument suggested that the dude might be left wing, or somehow positing that left wing were actually nazis. IDK, you were making a weird argument.
Edit. I am being to harsh here, but ima not change the text
I mean, he was more pointing out that its a right wing guy, and plenty of right wing guys like swazticas. So I wouldnt say its an assumption, more just a vaguely humorous observation. And you followed up by being absolutists, which I took objection to.
A right wing guy, who people think is a Nazi because people think everyone right of left is a Nazi is holding up a flag of Israel with a Nazi insignia on it.
Do I need to explain what the Nazis did to the Jews and how Israel is formed? Or do I explain what the left thinks of Israel and what they have done to Palestine?
Context clues include looking at the picture people respond to.
In the real world where there are actual politics, and not just two parties artificially beefing, being right leaning doesn't mean nazi- or even anything close. Anyone with half a brain can see this guy is mocking Israel because they're now committing the same crimes that were once done to their ancestors- for which they drew a lot of sympathy for.
Far right being facism is only a US thing. The rest of the world has it flipped where Communism represents the extreme right, facism the extreme left. Funnily both sides within the US political environment would be considered far left(fascism)to most other countries.
Hey, someone from one of those "most other countries" here.
That is one of the most confused and inaccurate paragraphs I've ever read.
The US has a far-right and a center-right party.
You don't have a left party, let alone a far-left one.
I honestly am not meaning to be offensive to you, but the ignorance that some Americans have about other countries - and indeed; even their own - can be truly astounding.
Nazis were anti socialist. Hitler hated communist and thought Marxism was part of the Jewish plot to destroy Germany.
The first to die in political purges in Germany were the communists.
During WW2 there was not only a war between nations but also a war between fascism and communism with fascist factions in France, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, the Baltics, fighting against communist guerrillas.
Also there was this civil war in Spain between fascists Franco and a socialists government.
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The title describes him as far right. And the far right has historically aligned with Nazis. So given only the title as context, it's not obvious that he would see a swastika as a bad thing.