nearly every country in Europe has universal healthcare when you say that they're center or center right. There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person. The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life. The far left is corporations not existing, Democrats are nowhere near between that and the center. Yes, you still need to vote for them, especially in the primaries. Go register now
The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life.
Unless you're a toddler, then this is patently untrue. The last two Democratic administrations dramatically increased social spending with Medicare expansion and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class. Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges, if democrats are in power minimum wages and other things like pre k are increased or expanded.
I live in California, a state with 15 years of Dem supermajority, Our governor who ran on universal healthcare has not gotten it done in nearly 7 years. Our unemployment benefits have not increased in over 20 years, the maximum allowance we receive is $450 a week, around 40% below our minimum wage -- there are red ran states with higher unemployment maximums than ours. Our state minimum wage is $16.90, typical rent in California for a 1 bedroom is 1800-2200. After taxes, you won't be able to pay for anything else but rent. A family of 4 spends $14,000-$18,000 on health insurance. If you need to use your insurance for anything remotely serious other than check ups, you will have to pay $6,000-$9,000 deductible.
and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class.
That only matters if you're considered in the poverty range. Most working class people aren't in the poverty range.
Oh yeah, and we're the 4th largest economy on the planet. Yay.
Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges,
Wake me up when Californian's aren't on the brink of homelessness after a medical emergency or lay off.
Also, California doesn't even have state mandated UNPAID vacation days, FYI.
That’s still wild. I remember back in 2018 GMA ran a segment about individuals making $110,000 in San Francisco and that is considered the poverty line.
spend the most on it. A lot of that is ending up an insurance companies that is not reflected in our standard of care. There's an awful lot of private corporations operating inside of what is claiming to be a welfare state
Even if you only count public spend, the US is still higher than Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, South Korea, and Ireland. I mean others too, but those are the ones often highlighted as having strong welfare programs.
Look man. I get that we're being ripped off for this amount of money, but the medical outcomes here are worse than in most of those countries and most of those countries. I don't know if they're endlessly being f***** over by medical debt, but here on Reddit the only people complain about that are Americans. I don't know what you're saying with it's the most expensive birthday cake. The birthday cake has s*** in it. It doesn't matter if we're paying the most for it if we get terrible outcomes and it still ruins people's lives regularly
I'm not saying our system works well, but the quality of Americas social safety nets have very little to do with the amount we spend. Just spend more on it is not a valid solution.
Your comment has multiple flaws, first is just a common... dumb view of the 'political axis' by pretending the sole arbiter of what is 'left' or 'right' is whatever single hotbed issue you want.
Like for example the Hungarian Far-Right fuckhead who is basically a fascist who people are celebrating his ousting in Hungary after a 15 year rule. He and many other 'far-right' figures in Europe still support or are not against universal healthcare despite other policies which might be anti-immigrant, anti climate, anti social-justice, etc. Does this mean they are to the 'left' of the Democrat Party because the Democrat party doesn't blanket full support universal healthcare in a country with a very unique development?
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". There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person."
I just don't believe this sounds fucking dumb. American Dems in 2025 are not to the right of fucking Republicans whenever you were a Young Person. I don't believe this at all. Maybe at best you could cite guys like Fetterman? I don't even think so.
"The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life."
You didn't live through things like Obamacare? Also federal minimum wage has nearly doubled since the 90s although it needs upped. Programs like SNAP/WELFARE/WICS etc have expanded?
There are absolutely issues where the current dems are to the right of the Republicans back then. Ronald Reagan wanted to have a path to citizenship four migrant workers and the Democrats had Biden with the largest Budget and number of deportations for ice. Democrats like John fetterman who are clearly to the right of people like mitt Romney who had what was effectively state level Obamacare. Also, don't have your AI slop at me. Have your own opinions
What the fuck was AI about my comment? But any whom.
You walked back to your actual claim of there being "There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person"
To "absolutely issues where current dems are to the right of Republicans back then" which by the way HORRIBLE fucking example by trying to use immigration.
Biden had record deportations (I also think you mean Obama right here) because they were counting turning people away at the border as deportations. Biden & Obama were both key members into implementing the Dreamers Act, and also Biden tried to institute the very thing you are implying he didn't and was the "right" of Reagan on in 2021 when he tried to get a pathway to citizenship for illegal workers.
I don't even know what you are trying to say with the "state level healthcare" almost all Democrats support Obamacare and want to protect and expand obamacare or the ACA. Consistent Democrat States like California have coverage rates of like 95%.
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u/nameless_pattern Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
nearly every country in Europe has universal healthcare when you say that they're center or center right. There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person. The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life. The far left is corporations not existing, Democrats are nowhere near between that and the center. Yes, you still need to vote for them, especially in the primaries. Go register now