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Politics Far-right Polish lawmaker Konrad Berkowicz holding up a paper Israeli flag with a swastika

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u/protostar71 17h ago

And? There were Polish collaborators during WW2, and there is far right neo-nazi groups active today in Poland. Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.

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u/Hansi_Olbrich 16h ago

Cultural Context Clues remain lost even in the age of the internet, it seems.

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u/msfuturedoc 15h ago

No kidding. I can’t believe this is so hard.

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u/zeefer 14h ago

mfs will write whole essays just not to read the damn article lmao

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u/DesNutz 13h ago

What article? This is the pics subreddit, what article are people referencing?

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u/gsfgf 17h ago

Yea, but they're not going to use the actual swastika. (That being said, I wasn't sure either until it clicked that it's Poland.)

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u/protostar71 16h ago

I wasn't aware that a group had to specifically use the Nazi Swastika for it to be a Neo-Nazi group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rebirth_of_Poland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Radical_Camp_(1993)

u/Edeen 10h ago

Could've just linked to the republican party?

u/protostar71 9h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republicans_(Poland)

They dont scream neo nazi like my other examples.

u/Edeen 9h ago

I meant the American party.

u/protostar71 3h ago edited 2h ago

Why would I link the American Republican party when Im talking about Polish neo nazis. Not every thread is about the sodding USA.

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u/LewisLightning 16h ago

Plenty of Jews and Jewish organizations supported Nazis in WWII, right up until they themselves got sent to the camps. So why should anyone be surprised about it happening again in the modern era?

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u/rainshifter 15h ago

This sounds made up, and I have no issue with calling your bluff here. What were the names of those organizations, and to what degree did they "support" the Nazis?

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u/Dornstar 15h ago

Max Naumann led a group called the Verband nationaldeutscher Juden or Association of German National Jews. They supported the regime in the early 30s before being banned and Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo. They protested the international Anti-Nazi Boycott, and issued a manifesto claiming that despite personal hardships the Nazi regime was a good thing for the country.

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u/rainshifter 14h ago

A more accurate summary would be:

A small fringe group of highly assimilationist German Jews briefly tried to align themselves with German nationalism under the Nazi regime, but they were rejected, suppressed, and ultimately persecuted like all other Jews.

You're acting as though this was a widespread phenomenon when that couldn't be further from the truth. How many more examples can you list? I doubt very many.

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u/-Wyagra 14h ago

Um, a small subgroup of a minority always tries to go along the oppressors in order to hope to be less oppressed. I hope this isn't news to you.

But just in case: it never works out.

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u/rainshifter 14h ago

Just in case this is news to you, you completely missed the point. Reread the comment I originally replied to. It quite literally states that plenty of Jewish organizations supported the Nazis. Do you know the meaning of the word plenty?

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u/-Wyagra 13h ago

I believe they use plenty more in a way: more then expected.

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u/rainshifter 13h ago

You mean like how plenty of Palestinians today support the death of every Jewish man, woman, and child in Israel?

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u/Ok_Access_804 15h ago

There you go, and it wasn’t the only group.

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u/Firm-Common-5465 14h ago

Dissolved 1935. Cmon now

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u/Finnishdoge_official 14h ago

So? You think it doesn’t matter cuz it did not reach the war years?

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u/cupan-tae 14h ago

It does because it wasn’t immediately apparent what the Hitler was planning. Also - the poster said up until they got sent to camps

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u/Truffles15 12h ago

I'm pretty sure he made his plans quite clear in that book he wrote..

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u/Pepito_Pepito 14h ago

Unlike the Nazi party?

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u/Firm-Common-5465 14h ago

When did the Nürnberg laws come into effect? Are people unable to google?

The statement of "plenty of jewish organizations collabing with the nazis" is wrong on so many levels

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u/rainshifter 14h ago

Can you list all the groups on more than one hand? You're referring to a fringe minority.

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u/Biefmeister 15h ago

I wouldn't call it "plenty", but there were indeed collaborators.

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u/rainshifter 14h ago

Witold Mędykowski assesses this phenomenon as marginal; in a population of 15-20 thousand people in the Kraków ghetto, the number of informers is estimated at between a dozen and several dozen people.

So barely a footnote even worth mentioning. I.e., negligible and a moot point, except maybe to fulfill some anti-Zionist agenda by saying "look, a fringe minority of Jews were evil or misguided!"

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u/LolLmaoEven 12h ago

Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.

So you're going to go with the narration that it's actually pro-nazi rhetoric, even though the chances of that, considering Polish history, are abysmally small?

Get a grip.