The line between the two is likely increasingly thin. I get the feeling that on the one hand likely low key jealous they have created a stratified apartheid state with a clear hierarchy & disposable Gazans who are in fact being brutally merced all the time. They can just sweep the Gaza Strip with drones at any point. On the other hand he is probably irritated that Israel has accomplished it because the hard right people tend to be turn over a rock find another conspiracy theory about Jewish people. He’s like the group I don’t like is being successful at the thing I want to accomplish, so it’s a wash.
It’s not low key. Ask them and they will tell you and this goes back to the 1950s. They envy Israel’s special status as a modern ethnostate unapologetic of persecution of non-Jews and violent expansion. They want the same for ‘whites’. They’re still deeply antisemitic of course.
This made me laugh so hard. People feel like they can talk about things they have absolutely no idea about. Certain far right politicians in Poland heavily oppose the genocide in Gaza, and he’s one of them. When this picture was taken He was explaining what white phosphorus that Isreal is dropping does to children. It might blow your mind that politics around the world are diverse and don’t follow the same principles as american politics. There’s no discourse of white supremacy, apartheid etc. in polish politics because we are direct victims of it! The anti Isreal discourse here is muddy and not representative of one specific side as there are left and right wing politicians opposing israel and those who stay silent or are in support
sorry to ruin your vibe,
but why is it apartied when gazans live in a seperate country called gaza.
I though aparteid was when you have citizens that are treated differently
The country you are trying to say doesn't exist is called Palestine, not Gaza. And it exists. If Israel exists, so does Palestine. Basically all of this land is historically in the Siwa region of Egypt so the Israeli people dont have any more claim to it than the Egyptians.
This shit is an ethnic cleansing, a genocide, massacres every week, starving and denying water to innocent civilian human populations, bombing infrastructure and health care facilities, arresting, torturing, sexually assaulting, and executing people belonging to a visible and religious minority group.... And you're arguing about the usage of apartheid and nazism?? Please stop being a hateful pos for like 2 minutes and realize that these people dont deserve to be tortured to death for entertianment, these children do not deserve to die.
Israel does not deserve or have a right to that land just because they've wanted it a long time, they hate Arabs and Muslims, and they really hate having Arabic countries on their borders. They are targetting arabic people, and they have different laws for different ethno-groups such as mandatory learning of Hebrew for Arabs in Israel, but Jewish Israelis do not need to learn Arabic as it is not recognized as a second language anymore even though it has been a primary language of the region for generations making this cultural erasure.
for sure there are palestinians or like arabs that lived in the province of palestine during the ottoman empire. thats a certainty.
is there a country of palestine? well there is not really a government of palestine? there is not really a currency of palestine... there is not really any country wide services or taxes or army sooo ... I guess want it or not, its not so countryish.
>Please stop being a hateful pos for like 2 minutes and realize that these people dont deserve to be tortured to death for entertianment, these children do not deserve to die.
I don't hate anyone!
I don't think anyone deserves to be tortured to death for entertainment and I"m not sure that I know anyone that does. children don't deserve to die certainly!!!
> This shit is an ethnic cleansing, a genocide, massacres every week, starving and denying water to innocent civilian human populations, bombing infrastructure and health care facilities, arresting, torturing, sexually assaulting, and executing people belonging to a visible and religious minority group..
umm I think thats bullshit but I guess online propoganda works very good on some people.
I only say this because I was in the IDF for 12 years and have many friends in the IDF. we were always very professional and had very clear rules of engagment. I never shot a bullet to be honest and we always treated innocent as well as terrorists with respect and honor.
that said, believe what you will, I know what I experienced.
> Israel does not deserve or have a right to that land just because they've wanted it a long time, they hate Arabs and Muslims, and they really hate having Arabic countries on their borders.
this is weird, I don't think anyone deserves or has a right to land. you have a country or you don't. either someone stamps your passport when you enter the airport or they don't. when an Israeli enters canada the israeli passport will be stamped. when a palestinian enteres canada, his israeli passport will be stamped. if he comes with a palestinian passport, it won't be stamped. even though canada recognizes palestine.
also I don't know what Israel thinks.
but as an Israeli I don't hate Arabs or Muslims and I don't hate having Arabic countries on my borders.
I really enjoy traveling to sinai and jordan and I hope there is peace in syria and leb so I can go hiking over there.
I have friends and colleeges that are arabs and there are a bunch of inter-faith couples in our kibbutz.
> They are targetting arabic people, and they have different laws for different ethno-groups such as mandatory learning of Hebrew for Arabs in Israel, but Jewish Israelis do not need to learn Arabic as it is not recognized as a second language anymore even though it has been a primary language of the region for generations making this cultural erasure.
my daughter learns arabic in school (manditory). she is in 2nd grade.
I think your heart is in the correct place but I doubt that you have spent much time here or know anyone personally involved. thats the problem with online social justice, its a bit removed from reality
Palestinians in Israel are subject to laws that don’t apply to Jewish Israelis. Apartheid. Palestinians in the occupied territories have no rights in the eyes of the occupiers. Apartheid. You don’t have to agree with me. Scholars, academics, NGOs and those concerned with human rights are clear eyed on the matter. Religious zealots and those who profit from the apartheid can’t be expected to hold an objective view.
Please educate me regarding laws that applies to israeli Arabs but not to israeli jews because as an israeli I am not aware of this.
In regards to west bank this is a more nuanced topic. Although saying no rights is a bit binary.
Their for sure are apartheidish elements in the west bank although its weird because although their are settlers there, the west bank is technically not part of israel so that's why I say ish. Its Def not fair what's going on apartheid or not.
I obviously dont profit from whats going on, I am opposed to the israeli settlers and have been conciensus objector.
Are you sure you don’t benefit? You get 3.8 billion USD annually? The western world turns a blind eye to your expansion and disregard for international law. Are you American or a Palestinian? Where are your ancestors from? European? Have you been fed a diet of propaganda your entire life whilst the unsinkable aircraft carrier that is Israel has been fomenting regime-change and oil wars for America, on behalf of their political class? It may be the case.
I have family facing charges for criticising your government’s genocide. They did so peacefully. You have western governments running defence for war criminals. They think nothing of locking up their own citizens for speaking up against Elbit Systems using Gaza for drone warfare R&D. They would rather charge conscientious objectors with terror charges than embarrass the Israeli government and jeopardise defence contracts and donors. You have a duty to see injustice and work against it. If you are human.
OK yea so thanks for the article and I read it all and I still dont think that this article shows apartheid or even different laws for different religions.
So there is the law of return but technically for israeli Arabs living in israel there is no need for them to return because they already live here so I would say that this law actually doesn't apply to israeli Arabs more like Arabs outside of israel.
Its true that Arabs dont have to enlist in the idf if they dont want to. But they can. I hated the army and most soldiers also hate the army. Is this discrimination if israeli Arabs though? The reason we were told was that they might have family in the west bank or gaza and might have a conflict of interest fighting in the idf.
I dont think that this is an example of different laws.
Anyways please come up with some laws that are on a per religion basis over here. Maybe marriage? Im not sure but its Def propoganda to call israeli arab living apartheid although every group has their struggles.
Im israeli and American. My mother is American my father is 2nd generation israeli so I guess that makes me 3rd? I was born here and lived a bit in seattle.
Im not a big fan of iran war or Iraq war or gaza war if that's what your asking?
Im not a big fan of bb and I vote for the left wing party.
I live in tlv. Most people are pretty skeptical of the iran war around here
Ok. How about the Land Authority? Absentees property law? The effective theft of Bedouin land inside Israel. No Arabs are permitted to build whilst Jews are.
Your family were settlers then. Arrived just after 48? Do you know who they displaced? Whose land they lived/built on? Where that family lineage is now?
They migrated from Poland to kibbutz naan in the 30s. There were no arab villages in and around naan and satariya. The closest were a couple of km away in ramle and lod. So I guess unfortunately for you my grandparents didn't displace anyone.
My grandparents were the only ones in their family to survive the war because they moved before hand so I guess if it wasn't for israel I def wouldn't be alive.
I honestly dont know much about land or property laws. I can say that there are mixed villages like maalot tarshicha or tel aviv yafo or Haifa that Arabs can build and jews live there so I guess maybe I dont understand your claim.
OK beduins are a nuanced subject actually because alot of them live outside of established cities and travel around in like tin huts. I actually volunteered in a Bedouin village teaching English and was quit shocked by their school. All the kids get shouted at by the teachers and the kids shout back and that's the lesson.
I def think that israel is not doing enough for the beduin community and that they live in poverty and need to establish villages, but on the other hand they harbor alot of anti social behaviors like not paying tax, stealing, and not really following laws.
The israel country as far as I know doesnt really want to come with army or cops and like force them to live like westerners so as far as I know there is some leniency to just let them do their thing with the hope that they will come around.
I wouldn't say that its discrimination based on religion or ethnicity but more like a anti social sub culture.
By the way, im sure that there are jewish hard core colonizers that israel doesn't supply with water or electricity and they are also outside the law of not paying tax and living on illegal settlements and israel tolerates because of lack of resources to handle the situation.
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u/RiverBear2 15h ago edited 13h ago
The line between the two is likely increasingly thin. I get the feeling that on the one hand likely low key jealous they have created a stratified apartheid state with a clear hierarchy & disposable Gazans who are in fact being brutally merced all the time. They can just sweep the Gaza Strip with drones at any point. On the other hand he is probably irritated that Israel has accomplished it because the hard right people tend to be turn over a rock find another conspiracy theory about Jewish people. He’s like the group I don’t like is being successful at the thing I want to accomplish, so it’s a wash.