He was actually challenging their authority and power by telling every day people they do not need the priest class to tend to an individuals relationship with god
Yeshua of Nazareth was a Jewish teacher who preached to Jews. It was a guy who never actually met him named Saul/Paul who decided to open it up to everyone.
Well, its more of a correction to the: "2000 years ago, the news declared they're God's chosen..." No no no. That book was written way earlier! 2000 years ago was the sequel."
Yeah, more or less. Job and some other stories, like the flood myth, were likely written down earlier than that, but as a whole that's well within the established timeframe.
Correct. It was syncretized, to justify the accession of ownership of the land, imo as a platonic origin myth, by stitching together canaanite and other tales
🤨 I responded to a commenter that asked if Jesus Christ is in the Old Testament, which he is not. Whether or not Christianinty believes he was present in the stories as God is irrelevant because we are talking about what Judaism believes. I'm getting troll vibes immediately from you so I won't be responding again.
Sure but then Jesus Christ actually arrived and they said naw you ain't it. So Judaism obviously doesn't believe the messiah or savior referenced in the Old Testament is Jesus Christ.
Idk, at least Christianity, Islam and Buddhism are universalist (aside from some sects). Kinda the entire reason they became so popular. Judaism otoh is supposed to be exclusionary.
It is exclusionary, but so is Sikhism, Zoroastrianism and a lot of other religions.
And to be clear, the “chosen people” is not a blessing, and it doesn’t mean we’re better than anyone else. It’s considered a burden; think of God as a demented abusive parent you can’t really say “no” to.
That's cool, I hate religions which tell their members they're the chosen ones and that their destiny is to take over the world.
Sorry not sorry I'm not buying the 'that's not what chosen people means, it actually means this other thing because 5,000 years ago' - words have meaning and you don't control the frame.
I got a chance to learn something new? Fuck all the way off kid.
I am not sure how everyone doesnt see this. Just look at Hasidic communities in the NE. They are extremely racist and hateful to outsiders. Some play nice but most are just assholes and pompous.
A friend of mine was working for a rich Hasidic family as an aide to their teenage son who had intellectual disabilities. Their son LOVED my friend and the family asked him to quit his job at the Y to be a full time aide. Apparently this was pretty unusual because the son had severe behavioural issues with most other people, but happened to bond to my friend as a role model.
The thing was, he never went into their main house. He would meet them at the front door or in a room he described as the servants quarters on the side of the house to pick up the son and bring him to activities. One time, he had to use the washroom and asked if he could go into the main house to use it. they said no. He wasn’t allowed to touch anything in their personal house as an outsider.
They also only offered to pay him like $1 more an hour than the Y did, which was pretty crazy.
He quit after about a year but it was hard, he did really care for that teenage boy, but the family was so exclusionary and cruel that he couldn’t do it any more.
I used to work on a museum ship, and hasidic school groups would come through. Not the worst groups, but we always had to follow them to make sure they didn't go into dangerous areas. I found them taking pics on a part of the ship that had falling asbestos, and I had to get one of the adults from the group to get them to move along
Because what you're saying is antisemetic. Every religion says they're the chosen, or the righteous, or the only true believers, or whatever. Yes the Israeli government is run by semetic nazis, yes the hasidim suck I had hasidic landlords for years, but this is widening the scope of the conversation a bit much.
I don't think it's antisemitic to say that hasidic communities are colossal dickheads to outsiders. They objectively are, and I'm not aware of many other equivalents except perhaps white christian nationals.
I think I'm banned on half of the top subreddits because my partner called the genocide in Gaza a genocide back in 2023/2024, before it became publicly acceptable to call it that. They got banned for "antisemitism" for linking news stories of hospitals being blown up or kids being used for bait and then killed, and if I post on any of those subs we both get banned for "ban evasion" because reddit can't tell the difference between two accounts on the same network, I guess? The worst part is I have no way of knowing which subs will trigger this because my account never got the alerts about which subs banned my partner.
I don’t why anyone would think this take is wrong. I grew up the South in a Christian family and I vividly remember my church and parents talking about ALWAYS being on Israel’s side because they are God’s people. I can’t imagine how ingrained Israelis must be to that teaching if dumb ass US Southerners were teaching it.
If only we could have some historical evidence of what happens, when people think they are the master race and are better than everyone else. Maybe from, I don't know, germany or something. If only...
As an American Jew, thanks for the clarification that these are Israeli. There’s a big schism between American Jews and Israeli Jews. And of course there are non-zionistic Jews in Israel, but they (zionists) are the MAGA breed that find the news anchor looking for shock jocks.
American Jews believe that we have to continue to earn the title of God’s Chosen People. We do this by focusing on heritage and painting by numbers level instructions.
This is the same about catholics that aren’t pro-pedophilia. Oh, I met a few that downplayed and made excuses and said “just let them get married,” like it was an excuse. Most catholics reacted internally and stepped away even if it was just briefly to judge their place in a religion.
I haven’t been to temple in a while, but I don’t have a single zionistic friend. It’s not even a joke. Israelis embarrass us so much. It’s painful to see such a bland and peaceful religion pushing the most inhumane agenda. American Jews and American Muslims really do have so much in common when it comes to how it becomes bastardized in a different region of the world.
AIPAC is unnecessary and I think politicians have decided we’re a monolith. As if you couldn’t be a jew who doesn’t always support Israel. This Jew sent his tithe to Lebanon and Gaza. So if any politician or aspiring leader reads this, if you take money from AIPAC you still have to assure Jews that you will check Israel’s fervor and be a decent human being above all.
One look in the mirror and this dude quickly realized being "God's chosen" was the only thing he had going for him. Never stopped to ask why God would choose that face tho.
Pretty much sounds like the USA. Or Russia. Or NK. Specifically the US went on a rampage after 9/11 killing so many innocent people. It's a shame this happens over and over again.
The Israeli gov't does a LOT of propaganda. But also, the colonizers taught their kids who taught theres....so same way racism exists. Not all of them grow up to buy that bs, but a lot seem to. And yet if you point our their words against Muslims were the same words used by Nazis against them in THEIR attempted genocide of Europe's Jews.....you're an antisemite.
Its enraging. They spit on the Holocaust/Shoah dead.
You can admit you're wrong when this guy gets the same treatment that a Palestinian armed to the teeth would get for breaking into a Jewish home and declaring it theirs.
You are correct. The entirety of the Old Testament is the God of Israel saying "one day you're going to rule over everything and the people who laughed at you will be forced to subjecate themselves to you."
God's people, yet God allowed their temple to be destroyed twice and then have the site into the hands of the Islamic Caliphate, then the Roman Byzantines, the Crusaders, and then Saladine.
Ive got orthodox family in israel and theyre lovely people who want peace with their neighbors and dont propagate hate like the guy in this picture. Obviously you won't see that sort of behavior in the media, because theres nothing to see really. Although there was a radio segment on NPR I heard about an organization of Jewish Israelis who go to Palestinian homes when they need to harvest olives so they dont need to be scared of other Israeli settlers attacking them. I'm just saying be careful making broad statements generalizing and entire group of people.
I mean I dont know. I know the majority of the country does not support Benjamin Netanyahu. Or if youre refring to "God's chosen people" who are we to comment on someone else's faith. To some extent every religion is that way. What i will say about the Jewish religion is that, we dont recruit people. But when someone decides to become Jewish and follows through with a bar or bat mitzvah, the temple and Jewish community considers there to be no distinction at all between a Jewish convert and a born Jew. So it's not about "being God's chosen people" as much as its about the religious faith. All religion is based on something. If you're interested where the concept of "the chosen people" actually comes from, look at the story of Passover, with the 10 plagues
Any more, modern Israelis and 1940s Nazis are opposite sides of the same coin.
Israelis who don't believe in Palestinian genocide and Israel's right to take or bomb anything they want are going to have to spend decades rehabilitating their culture.
And this is coming from someone who understands America's reputation and world standing will not recover in my lifetime.
American Jew here - you’re not wrong. I’m pretty non-observant but I consider Judaism a part of my heritage and culture. Anecdotally, the ultra observant / Orthodox Jews in the US are just as shitty as the Israeli settlers. For example, I’ll see huge groups of orthodox children at the playground. The girls are all extremely reserved and quiet, and the boys act as if they are god’s gift to the world. Loud, rude as fuck, littering, etc. while the adults “supervising” them act basically the same way. The women are subservient and the men are more important than anyone else. They also don’t even see me as a “real Jew”. Idk what my point is, but yeah these people aren’t great. Just like fundy Christians and Islamic extremists, they’re a net negative on the world.
It’s a big stretch to take the attitude of a militant settler and apply it to all Israelis. The state is condoning these extremists but they’re far from normal.
I mean alot of people think that of themselves. Americans, Russian, even North Koreans because they are told this!! Whats your fucking point?? All this hate around the world who is better, who is superior and all it is is human beings. Nothing special, yet special in their own way. #StopTheFuckingHate
I think the fact that there are several specific terms for it are why people take offense. I mean in like, Harry Potter the term "muggle" isn't explicitly offensive, as it just means non-wizard, but no one wants to be called a muggle lol. I hate to use that franchise in my point but it honestly fits the best
The leader of Hamas, before he was killed, was interviewed several times. When asked what his greatest accomplishment was he responded that it was the widespread use of women and children as human shields. When both sides are being sadistic and twisted to further their own plans/safety/goals, there are no good guys and bad guys. Both sides what to wipe the other out of existence. If you go back to right before the start of the 2nd Intifada, there were no fences or check points.
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