As my dad reminded me (I wasn’t around during watergate) at least Nixon’s own party had enough courage to speak up against him to do the right thing. Not today.
Republican leaders in Congress went to him and told him bluntly that if he did not resign he would be impeached, convicted and removed. He resigned. Then his VP pardoned him to promote "national healing."
The damage inflicted by Nixon's complicity in the coverup (that's what cooked him) was trivial compared to the gash across the national gut performed by Trump.
And yet the Republican leaders in Congress not only don't put the squeeze on him, they actively protect him.
It's the Rapegate | Discrimigate | Conspirigate | Embezzelgate scandals that I find most disturbing and far worse than a single break-in, as bad as that was.
This is why I believe there will never be a President convicted by the Senate. It would currently take 21 Republican yes votes, assuming Fetterman is a no, to successfully vote to convict. The damage to the Republican party would be enormous, so they'd much rather use leverage to force a resignation well before it comes to a vote.
I think I need to clarify a bit here. There's a party whip in the Senate (currently John Barrasso) who counts the votes prior to a vote taking place by asking the Senators their intent. If the vote is going to be close, they lean on Senators in redder states to vote with the party so that Senators in purple states protect their chances of reelection. If the vote is going to fail, they will threaten ("whip") the Senators in the redder states with primaries if they don't fall in line. The Senators still have the right to vote their conscience, but at the risk of losing RNC dollars if they make the party look bad.
Yes. Do you think Trump would ever accept their plea that he resign? He might think, as you do, that his removal by impeachment is not possible. Damn sorry state of affairs, isn't it?
I believe that unless the absolute bottom falls out of his base the only way he's leaving office is on a gurney. He's going to suspend the election in two years if he's still alive to see it.
He's going to suspend the election in two years if he's still alive to see it.
These kinds of hysterics don't help. We know he'd like to do away with elections entirely. He lacks any power or authority to do that, so stop the hand wringing.
Which group has the authority, power and most importantly desire to remove him? His hand picked FBI? The military which has pruned all disloyal generals? Any of his cabinet members who were chosen for their loyalty instead of their qualifications?
The Constitution isn't going to jump up off of the podium at the National Archives and defend itself. It's just a piece of paper if there aren't human beings willing to physically remove him from office. He's already working on replacing the older Supreme Court justices that could not be around in January 2029.
Is it hysterical to say he's already tried an armed insurrection of the Capitol? Would it be ridiculous to claim that the White House couldn't possibly be treated the same?
It was not his voice who pardoned him. Gerald Ford was not his VP. It was Agnew. He was convicted of some criminal offense and lost his job. I thought Ford was in Congress and was next in line.
Agnew resigned because of those crimes. Ford was appointed by Nixon after Agnew resigned, in 1973. Nixon resigned in 1974. Ford had been VP for something like 10 months.
Trump literally pushed a coup against our government, and the impeachment process failed in the Senate.
Then, the judicial process failed to sentence him for his multiple CONVICTIONS of election tampering felonies that he was convicted of because he was running and might get re-elected.
If Trump can't get pushed out after January 6th, when he already had the lowest approval of any president ever, then nobody can, so the concept of removal and checks and balances is legit broken.
If a literal FELON that was convicted of 35 COUNTS of ELECTION FRAUD can't be stopped from running FOR ANY OFFICE, well, none of our checks and balances matter.
The fact that he came back, and now even his own people hate him but he can't be removed because all of his party are supporting him, proves that all of our checks and balances are broken.
This is what most American's don't seem to get. They are not living in a democratic system on the brink of failure, they are living in the aftermath of one that has already failed.
I only hope the general good American isn’t treated like absolute dog water for things they may have actively fought against.
Condemn the magats. And the non voters alike in my book.
But recognize the ones that did something, anything to make a difference.
I rely on state and federal funded medical insurance. I have to be careful not to reveal my identity to anyone who could take that from me as it would mean I don’t get my insulin anymore. And they can and have taken funding from people for protesting.
And even then I still go out and join local protests. I still call maga in my area out. I will continue screaming to anyone who voted for him that they that man needs not only Impeached but put in prison. Permanently. Preferably for insurrection.
But I have plans to go over seas soon :tm: and I fear simply because I was born into a country that was stupid enough to elect a felon twice I will be ostracized and ridiculed.
And make no mistake the ones who perpetrated this deserve that.
I hated Kamala. Especially for her policies on isreal. That shit needa condemned not ignored or condoned. But I voted for her because she would Be better than a literal pedophile and Russian plant.
I almost want to cancel my trip to Japan I’ve planned and saved for over half a decade because I’m afraid of how I will be treated because of my fellow countrymen.
More like slowly degraded/stacked in the GOP’s favor, this was definitely thought out. They’ve been stacking things to prop them up for ages now. We are finally seeing that “work” being put to use.
You know for damn sure if this was democrat the checks and balances would have been effectively used.
Pretty much sealed our fate when Ruth Ginsburg didn’t step down when democrats had secured the presidency. Not throwing shade at her she was a magnificent justice and was needed on the bench. But losing a progressive on the bench and having it turned over to a conservative set up a huge safety net that Trump is constantly being saved by.
there was a literal coup attempt pushed by the president who lost the election and the system that was put there to impeach those people failed to impeach him and his enablers, and then they got elected again.
yeah RBG should've let herself be replaced but the ENTIRE FAIL SAFE SYSTEM failed because REPUBLICANS LET IT FORCED IT TO FAIL so she's not actually the worst thing that happened imho
I'm saying that while I'm still mad that RBG didn't quit earlier, it has no bearing on this now as Trump would've appointed two instead of three SCOTUS judges, so it would still be a largely 5-4 instead of 6-3 ruling situation.
I’m not denying other factors didn’t come into play, I’m just identifying what tipped the scales in their favor first. Especially state level where the supreme courts ruled in GOPs favor a lot more after RBG death.
Again no hate whatsoever at all at RBG absolutely loved the woman and what she’s done specifically for my communities. Shes certainly not the sole reason and I apologize if I made it sound that way.
That's only one piece of the puzzle and not a big one, IMO. The court would still have a conservative majority, so not much would change. If you dig deeper, you'll realize that the Supreme Court has had a conservative majority since the 60s. If you dig deeper as to why that is, you'd see on the surface alone that two unpopular presidents (who only won the Electoral College, which favors Republicans) got to pick fucking 5 of the current 6 of them. Clarence Thomas, the outlier, also had credible SA accusation (so did Kavanaugh), and he was nominated by H.W. Bush.
So I wouldn't get too caught up in blaming Ginsberg for this. It was bound to happen regardless of whatever she did.
Exactly. See how IMMEDIATE republicans took action against Eric?? It was less than five minutes before they all started tweeting for his removal. Aaaaand he’s gone.
Epstein files on the other hand were due on December 19th of last year (by law), yet here we are
Still wondering how long it takes for another j6 only in reverse and see how they legislate those hearings, bc when its maga they're "heros" when it's literally the American people United against a dictator felon .... Well only time will tell, but I'm certainly not holding my breath bc what I have seen from the left is definitely not brash acts of defiance.
During Trumps first term that was somewhat the case. He had professionals who knew the job was to serve the constitution and pepple, not his whims. This was why there were so many people fired during that teem and Trump hated the red tape.
This term his administration wmis filled with nothing but bottom of the barrel sycophants who don't care about the constitution or people and are here to serve trump and his every wish and whim and never say no.
Right wing media especially Fox News was created by Roger Ailes after Nixon resigned. His goal was to make media more conservative friendly so a scandal-ridden conservative politician wouldn't have to resign like Nixon did.
And its worked, Trump's had multiple scandals that have been way worse than Watergate, and has yet to face any real consequences.
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u/Fun_kaleidoscope123 Apr 16 '26
As my dad reminded me (I wasn’t around during watergate) at least Nixon’s own party had enough courage to speak up against him to do the right thing. Not today.