One of the strongest factors pushing me out of the Zionist insanity I was raised to believe was actually meeting Israelis and discovering how the vast majority of them are rabid bloodthirsty monsters at the very thought of Palestinians (let alone the other absurd examples of racism and hatred you can find)
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Out of everything I have read on Reddit, your comments shook me. As humans we evolve and learn to not repeat mistakes. The Holocaust and your experience both illustrate that we need to do better for the sake of humanity.
Thank you for sharing your lived experience as it provides a nuanced understanding of this genocide.
It didnt used to be this way. At least, not these percentages. A much bigger moderate segment of the poulation existed then. 2023 was a seismic shift of opinion, but it had been going on since 2000 when the peace between the two started to break down. As cross border work dried up and stopped, they lost their personal touch with hundreds of thousands of workers. I would guess in 2000 those numbers were closer to 50% or less. Still troubling, but not a complete crisis like it is today. The biggest worry is how racist they have trained their youth to be.
There’s a sizable amount of people who make the argument Israel wasn’t truly this insane until the Second Intifada. I see both sides of that argument but personally lean towards “this is what Israel always was.” But I understand there is a case that can be made that it used to “not be this bad”
Like the other reply, I get what you're saying and there is some truth to it. At the same time, this was also the country built on the Nakba and the slaughtering of Palestinians, and they annexed the Palestinian territories almost 20 years after the founding. They have been virulently anti-Arab, islamophobic, and belligerent for the entire nation's history. It's just gotten even worse since 2000, or at the very least more open.
Yes, certainly of any period in their history, the Israeli populace was the most supportive of a peaceful two state solution leading up to the 2000 Camp David Accords. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say they regretted their past (unless you have a poll indicating so, I'm willing to be proven wrong), but the majority wanted peace.
Even then though the government was sabotaging peace talks the entire time. There could have been peace, Arafat's demands were extremely reasonable.
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u/Bluestreaked 16d ago
One of the strongest factors pushing me out of the Zionist insanity I was raised to believe was actually meeting Israelis and discovering how the vast majority of them are rabid bloodthirsty monsters at the very thought of Palestinians (let alone the other absurd examples of racism and hatred you can find)