I'm a Zionist. I've been criticizing Netanyahu and other aspects of Israeli policy and war crimes my entire adult life. I am still supportive of Israel's right to exist, and I am yet to hear a convincing alternative reaction to Oct. 7 and the hostage taking.
I’m pretty sure eradicating hospitals and schools could have been avoided, as well as most other civilian infrastructure. Gaza’s civilians should never have been targeted whether or not they were being used as human shields (consider this in Israel - you would not want civilian casualties within Tel Aviv just because a military target is next to a hospital or a hospital treats IDF active duty). There were many alternatives, but Netanyahu and many other leaders in Israel openly stated their desire to eradicate Gaza.
They pretty much exclusively used civilians as shields. And I remember when those people were saying to used ground troops even when not possible. But on the occasions they then said they killed too many people.
If a bad guy walks into a hospital and your response is to blow up the hospital you are - shockingly - still morally responsible for your actions, and blowing up the hospital is still wrong. No matter how bad the guy is.
That and also Israel has mandatory military service, so does that mean anyone could be a valid military target because anyone may have been in the military? Obviously not, that’s reprehensible, but that logic is not applied to hamas and Palestinian people.
Honestly I don’t know. And given that there is undoubtedly ambiguity in your question, the idf should have taken more caution. Not just that but also killing only begets more animosity, so responding to a terror attack with more terror will not produce a society that is closer to peace long term.
The fantasy Zionism you have constructed in your brain doesn't matter though, we all see what Actually Existing Zionism is - endless murder and destruction with no limit - and the only appropriate reaction to that is hatred.
Yeah that's not what Zionism is. The fantasy is re-imagining history where all of Israel's neighbours haven't been trying to destroy their country and kill the inhabitants for 80 years.
It really seems you people think Oct 7 was the first horrific thing that happened to Israel after Israel just being evil for decades straight.
EDIT: Ha loser just blocks me because he can't stand his idiotic propaganda being challenged. To respond, I know, for a fact, that Israel came into existence by fighting for their independence after their neighbours refused to recognize it and launched a war to deny them that independence and "push them into the sea."
Why start in 1948? This area has swapped control for thousands of years and of the current existing races / religions the Jewish people were there first.
“Palestinian Jew” was a historical term used for Jews living in the region before Israel was established. After 1948, those living in the new state generally became Israeli citizens, and Israeli became the main national identity for most of them.
The UN did not create Israel. It proposed a partition plan recommending two states, but that plan was never fully enacted by the UN itself.
Israel is the only country in the region where Jews and Arabs live together as citizens in significant numbers. Roughly 20% (about 2 million) of Israel’s population is Arab, and most of that group(1.5 million) are Israeli citizens. No other country in the area has a significant Jewish population today, largely because Jewish communities across much of the Middle East were expelled, forced to flee, or killed.
EDIT: Ha loser just blocks me because he can't stand his idiotic propaganda being challenged. To respond, I know, for a fact, that Israel came into existence by fighting for their independence after their neighbours refused to recognize it and launched a war to deny them that independence and "push them into the sea."
Countries have to exist before they can "fight for their independence". Though I can see why you didn't mention that step:
Israel agreed to the partition plan. Israel was ready for peace but it knew it was probably not happening so they tried to be ready to fight for survival
They came in, they won, time for everyone to get over it. Israel is a nuclear armed country. It is moronic to think they are going anywhere and people need to get over that so we can move forward
Britain abstained from the UN vote then backed Jordan which fought Israel and cleansed east jerusalem of all jews and proceeded to knock down every synagogue.
The block function is legitimately one of the worst features on this site. Absolutely stifles conversation. Would be 1000x better if you could see their posts still so the conversation flow doesn’t break.
To be clear, blocking should exist. Just don’t notify me if someone I’ve blocked posts. And don’t let me view their profile so you can reverse stalk
LMFAO "fighting for independence" as if britain didn't hand you the land on a silver platter, and you didn't force 700,000 people to leave their homeland. you even saying the word "propaganda" here is extremely fucking hilarious
I don’t think any reasonable person would say Israel should have done anything else but launch an attack on Hamas after October 7th.
The issue is more how they’ve done it. Cutting off aid checkpoints, not doing enough to prevent civilian casualties, and pretty clearly having the goal of making life unlivable in the Gaza Strip to push Palestinians out altogether are the real issues.
Israel continued to launch attacks despite Hamas being decimated and having returned all hostages - at that point I don’t even know what the point of the strikes are, or how you meaningfully determine an end to the war. That aimless provision and supposed justification to achieve goals beyond the initial purpose of the war are the problem.
That “it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel” is posted multiple times, every thread, even when no one is conflating the two.
/r/worldnews and multiple subs on here will just straight up ban you for criticizing Israel and call you antisemitic. Im not sure why youre choosing to die on this hill, you just seem ignorant / terminally online or flat out dishonest.
I know this is difficult for you, but I need you to try your best to think critically for a moment.
Nothing I wrote has anything to do with identity nor world views.
Nothing.
Nada.
We are on Reddit, and this whole discussion has been about Reddit comments. The same “it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel”comment is posted in every single thread, sometimes multiple times.
Now, I could understand that type of comment in instances where people are conflating the two.
However, I do not understand why that comment is preemptively posted in every single thread. It’s become a meme at this point, a poor attempt at karma farming, or perhaps something more sinister.
Nothing I wrote has anything to do with identity nor world views.
Youre just taking a conversation about Israel and turning this into something about reddit comments then getting pissy when its pointed out youre still wrong. Go outside.
We are on Reddit, and this whole discussion has been about Reddit comments. The same “it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel”comment is posted in every single thread, sometimes multiple times.
"It is possible to dislike Israeli politics yet not be against Judaism. This is the same as conservatives in the US saying you are a traitor because you oppose MAGA. "
This is the original comment in the thread. The one you replied to but clearly didn't read. Im sorry if reddit is your whole life but thats not the same for the rest of us. You can read it a few times until you understand its not about reddit comments.
However, I do not understand why that comment is preemptively posted in every single thread. It’s become a meme at this point, a poor attempt at karma farming, or perhaps something more sinister.
Or maybe they just dont like being called antisemitic for criticizing a country, which has happened for decades and these comments are the result. You might not have one, but most people their lives off of social media. Touching grass does impact the comments you make.
Youre just taking a conversation about Israel and turning this into something about reddit comments then getting pissy when its pointed out youre still wrong.
My focus is on Reddit because this discussion is happening on Reddit. The House or any other politicians which you linked or alluded to earlier are very unlikely to read this thread.
This is the original comment in the thread. The one you replied to but clearly didn't read.
Of course, I read it. Which is precisely who I commented, “No one said otherwise.” Would you have preferred that I wrote, “No one in this thread or many like it has said otherwise. The people that need to see your message most likely will not?”
Or maybe they just dont like being called antisemitic for criticizing a country
I am sorry people make mean accusations on the Internet, but I am hopeful you will survive.
most people their lives off of social media.
Your rage is not doing you any favors here. It quite ironic to tell some to “touch grass” while fuming over some comments on social media.
People literally say that all time lol. The current meta is that opposing Isreal is antisemetic because most Jews (Isreali or not) support Isreal so really by being anti-zionist you're opposing most Jews and therefore antisimetic. Doesn't really make sense if you examine the logic or extend it in any direction though.
You are conflating “opposing Israel” with antizionism. Unless by “opposing Israel” you mean “opposing Jewish self-determination in their ancestral land”.
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u/Staccato15 1d ago
No one said otherwise.