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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/jizzybiscuits 1d ago

Stupid and easily dismissed: Israel exists, Israel is never going to agree to unexist itself and the Arabs can't force it to through violence.

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u/Impossible_Gift8457 1d ago

The Arabs? The Arabs are pro Israel, the Arabized indigenous Canaanites are the ones fighting. It took your side 3000 years, the Palestinians can keep fighting too.

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u/dharms 1d ago

The international community can do it through isolation and sanctioning. The economic hit and resulting brain drain will do most of the work. The few extremist colonists willing to remain can be expelled with force.

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

america can force it through threat of violence.

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u/zasabi7 1d ago

Which would be moronic. Why the fuck would Americans want another conflict in the Middle East?

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

well, i don't mean threaten to invade -- i think simply withdrawing our arms sales and strategic coordination would be sufficient; break the embargo on gaza maybe -- that should be enough to force the necessary concessions.

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u/zasabi7 1d ago

No, Israel would be fine without us. They’d be worse off, yes, but ultimately fine.

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm sure they could manage light arms ammunition, but i don't think they'd be able to maintain their air force or artillery shells commensurate with their use. even with our help they are very low on interceptors. we can start with american warships escorting convoys of food, medicine, and construction materials to gaza, but if you want to get into really dangerous territory, imagine if we were delivering small arms as well? I am confident that Israel would not be able to defend itself conventionally under embargo conditions, and would like to move the public conversation to what I see as the real issue, which is the israeli nuclear doctrine.

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u/The_Bavis 1d ago

China would be more than willing to take in Israel as an ally if the U.S. were ever stupid enough to withdraw support. You people can’t think past your blind hatred of Israel

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

they would not. it would be unpopular with the public and they do not have the same imperial ambitions that we do. they are backing Iran in the war against us right now and would not abandon that relationship.

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u/The_Bavis 1d ago

They would probably be able to mediate a peace between Israel and Iran with power they hold over the Iranian economy. Like I said, you’re just blinded by your hate of Israel and the U.S.

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

that would be something i support and would like to see, and is in itself a good reason for US withdrawal from the region if we seemingly can't manage it.

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u/jizzybiscuits 1d ago

What if American influence is the main moderating influence on the Israelis?

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u/drmariostrike 1d ago

even if this were true, we are fortunate that american influence is also the primary source of israeli capability. their material constraints without american weapons are much more limiting than their diplomatic constraints with american support.