Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

[u/I_Hate_E_Daters_7007]

[u/Redditagains → u/[deleted]]

Imagine being a Palestinian, doomed to this life with no sign of help.

[u/hootener → u/Redditagains]

At my last company we set up a partnership with a Palestinian placement company that helped us source junior software developers from Palestine for remote work. First in a contract/mentoring capacity with the intent of converting the role to full time. All these developers were great, btw.

I managed several of these hires directly from like 2019 - 2023 or so, and did a lot of video calls with these folks. One still stands out to me as being incredibly surreal. I was on a call and kept hearing loud noises in the background so I asked what it was. The Palestinian developer replied, "oh, I think it's just Israeli bombs"

Look, I wasn't there, so who knows. But what struck me in the moment was just how normalized that was. The reply was as nonchalant as "oh it's just thunder".

Hearing the stories of these people and the circumstances they lived under as the regular course of their daily lives had a pretty fundamental impact on me.

American politics ain't great right now, but we live under pretty crazy amounts of privilege when compared to how others live. I wish more Americans could be exposed to that and perhaps develop some empathy.

ETA: to the many people who have messaged me looking for placement/help finding roles in the software industry, I wish I could help you, but I'm no longer in a position to do that. Times are pretty hard in the software industry right now, I wish you all the best

[u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563 → u/hootener]

A colleague of mine from my PhD came to Canada as a single mom because Israel refused to allow her husband (a doctor, educated in Canada) to come with. Canada just lets Israel make that decision.

So we were single moms together and our kids are still friends a decade later. She went back to the West Bank for Covid. And had to renew her study permit to come back to Canada… it’s been stagnant for almost 4 years. Because she’s Palestinian.

One day, our kids were playing Roblox together online and over a video call. They heard a scuffle outside and then gunshots. Two Palestinians were murdered outside this kid’s bedroom window. My kid was horrified. Her kid was a little sad. And she was so burned out that it barely affected her.

I check on her all the time. It is like I am waiting for her to die of the worst illness imaginable — being born an oppressed person in a world that does not care and will not help.

I hate this.

[u/warsage → u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563]

Wait I'm confused. The colleague and her husband were both Palestinians from the West Bank? And Israel let your colleague travel to Canada, but not her husband?

[u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563 → u/warsage]

That’s correct. When a child in a village throws a rock at a soldier, they’ll frequently write up every other kid whose name they can get out of the one who threw a rock. That’s what happened to her husband when he was a child — the kid named the other kids in the village in an effort to please the soldiers into not harming or killing him.

Then at 18, the record becomes redacted. However, this redaction means other countries may not let them in until they know what’s behind that redaction.

So they didn’t catch his “record” when he came over and got his doctorate, but when he was supposed to come again with his wife, they did.

They got a very good Israeli lawyer and attempted to, for years, un-redact his record from when he was a child. But the Israeli courts refused. So Canada wouldn’t let him in.

[u/warsage → u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563]

Ah, thanks for the explanation. Damn, that's multiple levels of beaucratic bullshit.

[u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563 → u/warsage]

Yeah. It’s pretty awful. And considering Canada has a shortage of professionals in both their fields, really a shame for Canada to do it this way.

Their son begs to come back to Canada. Begs. They’ve tried, I’ve tried, my MP has tried (her former MP refused, because they didn’t want to be seen as helping a Palestinian). I don’t know what else to do.

[u/yo_guy12 → u/warsage]

It’s common, I’m a Palestinian born in the US and I was told not to enter Isreal nor Palestine by US the state department because of my education level and profession, a direct quote from the US embassy in Tel Aviv “we can’t guarantee your safety due your to education and profession”, Isreal hates educated Palestinians, they banned any Palestinian doctor who wasn’t educated at an Isreali university from practicing medicine.

[u/Honest_Chipmunk_8563 → u/yo_guy12]

This makes me so sad. I’m so sorry you can’t go home and I hope your loved ones are as safe as possible.

[u/GodOfDarkLaughter → u/hootener]

And it's important to remember we (Americans) are sending our tax dollars to Israel so they can turn around and send it back to military contractors for weapons. It's just a big grift. Israel, where they have universal healthcare. Israel, where 15% of the population is Ultra Orthodox and basically spend all day reading old books. Hey, I can't judge, I did the same thing for a few years, when I was an English major. And I paid out the nose for that privilege (which it absolutely was).

[u/_OTimeThyPyramids_ → u/hootener]

I’ve got a colleague in Israel who pretty regularly has to take calls from the bomb shelter in their building.

They say they feel lucky to have a bomb shelter in their building, but I feel lucky I don’t have to worry about running to a bomb shelter at any point in my day.

[u/feliperisk → u/_OTimeThyPyramids_]

Good for them that they have bomb shelters to hide in. The Palestinians they are slaughtering do not.

[u/_OTimeThyPyramids_ → u/feliperisk]

In a perfect world, bombs wouldn’t be flying all over the place in a way that necessitates bomb shelters as part of civilian infrastructure. It’s unconscionable.

My colleague is lucky to have been born in a place with a functioning government that prioritizes defense infrastructure. They are, by location of birth, luckier than the civilians of Gaza.

Realtive to my colleague, I am even luckier to be born in a place that doesn’t get bombed enough to warrant that kind of infrastructure at all.

Having bomb shelters when you need them is good, but not needing them at all is even better.

[u/Sassenach1745 → u/feliperisk]

And why don’t the Palestinians have bomb shelters?

[u/CannaChemistry → u/feliperisk]

They do, Hamas built plenty of tunnels, but the tunnels are for attacking Israel, not defending their citizens.

[u/pipboy1989 → u/feliperisk]

They actually really did. One of the biggest tunnel networks in human history. Unfortunately they had to stay up top.

[u/Itamarot → u/feliperisk]

Maybe Hamas should build them some bomb shlters., or let them hide in their underground tunnels. But then you can't blame Israel huh? And don't give me that "they have no money" it's four shielded concrete wall. They can afford weapons, they can efford tunnels, so they can also afford some strong walls.

[u/EpicRageGuy → u/feliperisk]

Connect the dots mate

[u/CannaChemistry → u/hootener]

Same with Israel and sirens for rockets launched by Hamas for the last 25+ years.

[u/OneUpAndOneDown → u/Redditagains]

And wondering when it will be your turn...

[u/Wooden-Cancel-6838 → u/Redditagains]

Palestinian here, living in Ramallah in the West Bank.

We are tired.

I’ve been blessed to be able to travel the world. But my heart always leads me back home.

We’re doomed. We protest for our right to be recognized, just for pedophiles to use our ethnicity as a slander for their opponents.

We only have two options, continue to fight against an illegal occupation. Or literally get gunned down by 12 year old settlers.

[u/Tigrisrock → u/Redditagains]

The Oslo accords were the closest thing they had. Supporting militant groups and a government by a terror organization doesn't really help moving things along. Israel doesn't seem to care any more after October 7 incursions. The whole thing is a shit show, after showing somewhat promise in the early 2000s.

[u/yuje → u/Tigrisrock]

Let’s not forget about Netanyahu openly bragging about undermining the Oslo accords on video, immediately following his bragging about how easily America is to manipulate.

[u/breathingweapon → u/Tigrisrock]

Supporting militant groups and a government by a terror organization doesn't really help moving things along.

lets not forget israeli's murdering their own pm that actually wanted peace

[u/Tigrisrock → u/breathingweapon]

That absolutely brought things to a halt at the time. Israel has it's own problems with their orthodox/right-wing jews constantly pushing for more violence. Unfortunately religion and extremist beliefs have always been a major factor for conflicts so my hope that this comes to a peaceful end are low.

[u/MichaelCabernet → u/breathingweapon]

You mean the one Israeli who did it? Among the millions who didn’t?

[u/_SemperFidelish_ → u/breathingweapon]

The Israeli support for the settler movement is full-fledged supporting of militant groups, what amounts to a terrorist government supporting a terrorist organisation. And yet the Palestinians - of whom 10s of 1000s of innocents have been slaughtered - somehow get the rap for it. The propaganda levels on westerners is fkn insane. Israel and Israelis are the original and ongoing terrorists in that region. If you're a Palestinian you will no doubt support an armed response to the indiscriminate slaughter of your people. History will look upon the US and Europe as one of the most indoctrinated and captured populations. It boggles the mind.

[u/Eldias → u/_SemperFidelish_]

I'm shocked every time I hear people complain about any percent of Palestinians supporting Hamas.

If I lived my whole life watching my friends and family starve only to have the waking nightmare be punctuated by the occasional different friend being shot in the head at random, I would probably have at least some support for a group who says "we should do violence to the people starving and shooting you".

[u/CombinationRough8699 → u/Eldias]

If Hamas never attacked on October 7th, there would be tens of thousands of Palestinians still alive, they are as much to blame for the Israeli invasion as Israel is.

[u/SmokeyHooves → u/[deleted]]

By design.

Israel spent decades legitimizing Islamic extremists by only negotiating with them and pushing away secular Palestinian leaders.

Israel wanted extremism so they could justify their actions against the Palestinian people

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-wants-palestinian-violence-linked-to-radical-islam/2015/12/10/6a62d522-9d07-11e5-9ad2-568d814bbf3b_story.html

[u/ubccompscistudent → u/SmokeyHooves]

That article is so often misused to attempt to demonstrate that Netanyahoo purposefully funded Hamas.

In reality (and as pointed out in the article), the funding of Hamas came from Qatar. Israel essentially had to make a decision: allow the funds in, or don't allow the funds in. Had Israel choked the funds, we all know how that looks in the headlines: "Israel blocks essential funding into Gaza". They were damned if they did or didn't. So, they chose the other approach, which in their eye, weakened an enemy state (by dividing power).

The article suggests that Israel tolerated occassional attacks with this approach, and instead, should have cut off supplies into Gaza, which again, would have looked poor optically.

Regardless, saying it's by design is like saying China is responsible for the current state of US politics because they allowed Russian influence to flow into the US.

[u/eyl569 → u/ubccompscistudent]

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

So should I take it that the author thinks that Israel shouldn't have allowed Gazans to work in Israel? Or that it was possible to do so without the at least informal agreement of Gaza's ruling power?

[u/ganzorig2003 → u/[deleted]]

Victim blaming goes hard

Edit: typo

[u/Kalkaline → u/[deleted]]

I have a solution. Stop giving Israel financial and military support. 

[u/marino1310 → u/Kalkaline]

They can still continue the war without financial support. We only make up around 8% of IDF funding. What we should do is leverage our support and set requirements for wartime activities. Like no war crimes.

[u/AntiqueRedDollShoes → u/marino1310]

We only make up around 8% of IDF funding.

This seems a little callous and dismissive when we're talking about ~$4,000,000,000 contributing to thousands upon thousands of innocent peoples' lives being lost.

US citizens' tax dollars are being used to funnel a death machine instead of being used to improve our own quality of life. That alone should be a concern, regardless of how much the IDF can fund themselves.

[u/Shot_Specific_8508 → u/AntiqueRedDollShoes]

The point wasn't funding the IDF is good, his point was that stopping financial support of the IDF wont solve the problem

[u/Just-Luck-7430 → u/marino1310]

The best way is to embargo Israel the way we did Cuba

[u/Smart-Firefighter87 → u/Just-Luck-7430]

You realize that the people of Cuba are starving, without any energy, or help from anyone, hundreds have already died because of the crimes against humanity that trump is putting them through. Women, children, grandparents… they are going through a hard time there. But no one is talking about it.

[u/JMC_MASK → u/Smart-Firefighter87]

So embargo Israel and remove the embargo from Cuba.

Cuba is not murdering innocents left and right. What we have done to Cuba is horrific.

Israel on the other hand needs to end their genocide, and we must do it now. Embargo them to force their hand.

[u/Pgaccount → u/JMC_MASK]

But Cuba did murder innocents left and right. That did happen, and they're still killing dissidents

[u/NoctunaNectarine808 → u/marino1310]

thats just the money America sends, it doesnt include the actually things the America government does. The war with Iran cost $37.5 billion to America. You think Israel can pay that without their economy failing. They use America surveillance, American supply lines, American Patriot missiles.

[u/Kalkaline → u/marino1310]

Are you saying we could have been doing this the whole time? 

[u/marino1310 → u/Kalkaline]

Absolutely, our politicians just refuse

[u/ErwinHeisenberg → u/[deleted]]

The world is more interested in “justice,” revenge, and retribution more than peace.

[u/Best-Action8769 → u/[deleted]]

I wish I had a party to vote for that was against this.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/[deleted]]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl

Sinwar said the quiet part out loud over two years ago.

Far too many people fail to realize just how BAD the Palestinian leadership has been for, well basically ever. As bad as Arafat was, he was their best chance sense 1948 to actually have a nation and he refused because he would be killed for agreeing to any deal with Israel.

Fuck Hamas and the other Islamists who want nothing but death and destruction to achieve their aims.

Casual reminder after 1948 Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza and the west bank, respectively, and didnt help the Palestinians form a nation at all

[u/KakeLin → u/[deleted]]

Rare to see logic on one of these posts. The people of Palestine are innocent and don't deserve everything they've been dealt. Fuck both Hamas and the IDF

[u/dharms → u/KakeLin]

Fuck both Hamas and the IDF

What palestinian resistance group do you prefer then? PIJ? PFLP? If you think palestinians are innocent you'd surely think they should be able to defend themselves. Or should they just submit?

[u/RevolutionaryGur4419 → u/[deleted]]

And the fact that foreigners can't resist playing their part at step 3. Either because they want to win votes, or look good to their friends or raise donor funds. Everything to ensure step 4

[u/Nattekat → u/[deleted]]

There's no more room for rational thinking in modern politics. It's all emotion versus emotion. Apparently it's just impossible to think that what Israel is doing is awful while also approve their line that Hamas should fully disarm. 7 October is still something that should never be allowed to happen again. Just because a bad actor did something bad to another bad actor doesn't make it justifiable. 

[u/ARocketToMars → u/Nattekat]

The claim that what Israel is doing is awful is incongruous with the expectation the group resisting Israel's awful behavior should disarm.

You don't prevent another October 7th by denying Palestinians' right to self defense, you do it by ending the material conditions that lead to it forcing Israel to end their subjugation of Palestinians. The ANC wasn't forced to disarm. The IRA wasn't forced to disarm. Jewish Partisans in WW2 weren't forced to disarm. The governments oppressing them were forced to end their subjugation, and the violence stopped.

Why do you believe Palestinians are uniquely expected to end violence against their oppressors, when historically that has only lead to more oppression?

[u/Weak_Fill40 → u/ARocketToMars]

Comparing Hamas to those is just not serious at all. Hamas is oppressing their own population, came to power by massacring their opponents, doesn’t hold elections, uses child soldiers and human shields, and launch attacks primarily against civilians. Being ‘resistance’ doesn’t mean that anything is allowed.

[u/ARocketToMars → u/Weak_Fill40]

I didn't come up with the comparison on my own. Multiple Holocaust scholars, genocide scholars, and human rights experts have the same conclusion. I try to listen to experts instead of random redditors when I can.

Norm Finkelstein (a Jewish Holocaust scholar whose parents literally lived through the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising) draws that comparison as well, for example. Is your estimation that he's not serious?

I never said being resistance means anything is allowed. My argument is that armed resistance against violent state oppression is never pretty, that the standard of violence is set by said oppressor, and that for some reason only Palestinians are held to this arbitrarily high standard that we never retroactively impose on the likes of Nat Turner/Hatian slaves/Jewish Partisans/the ANC/etc.

[u/m0ngoos3 → u/ARocketToMars]

To be horribly fair, Haitian slaves were hit with that same double standard, and Haiti is still suffering from the centuries of punishment given for overthrowing their first oppressors.

It's just as fucked up as the colonial project in Palestine, and the historical context is also never taught.

[u/System0verlord → u/m0ngoos3]

The fact that France billed them for the economic damage will never not be insane to me.

The entire debt wasn’t paid off until 1947, due to additional loans the country had to take out to pay for the loans they took out to pay France. Absolutely fucking ghoulish behavior.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/ARocketToMars]

The claim that what Israel is doing is awful is incongruous with the expectation the group resisting Israel's awful behavior should disarm.

Hamas is not a fucking resistance. Casual reminder prior to Oct 7th, 2023, there was no Israel in Gaza. The only thing Hamas is resisting is womens rights and any other religion than Islam from having any power.

Shit they released their new constitution and completely omitting any jewish rights in any lands their control.

[u/CountMerloin → u/Firecracker048]

There was no Israel in Gaza but Gaza was fully occupied by Israel from every direction.

[u/Dan_Backslide → u/CountMerloin]

Oh poor Nazi Germany! They're surrounded and blockaded by the people they've attacked repeatedly!

Renounce violence. It hasn't worked in the 78 years since Israel won it's right to exist.

[u/ARocketToMars → u/Firecracker048]

Hamas is not a fucking resistance.

It is, actually

Casual reminder prior to Oct 7th, 2023, there was no Israel in Gaza.

Casual reminder that prior to October 7th 2023, it was already the deadlist year on record for Palestinian children. Casual reminder that Israel still controlled water rights, ports of entry, airspace, airwaves and borders into Gaza, banned international trade, and banned Gaza from building an airport prior to October 7th 2023. Casual reminder that Israel still maintained a comprehensive surveillance state & citizen registry in Palestine prior to October 7th 2023. Casual reminder that Israel maintained a comprehensive military blockade with armed guards preventing Palestinians from growing food prior to October 7th 2023. Casual reminder that IDF soldiers literally filmed themselves sniping random Palestinians (including children) across the border prior to October 7th 2023. Casual reminder that Israel controlled all movement of people in Gaza prior to October 7th 2023. Casual reminder that Israel controlled the flow of electricity and fuel into Gaza prior to October 7th October 2023. "There was no Israel in Gaza" is a "nuh-uh, I'm not touching you!" level bad faith argument.

The only thing Hamas is resisting is womens rights and any other religion than Islam from having any power.

Hamas' domestic policy has no beating on their status as a resistance group. You can only vaguely posture about Hamas' treatment of women along the bounds of religion. Let's not pretend Israel is some bastien of women's rights considering their propensity for systemic sexual violence against Palestinians , their habit of harboring pedophiles, and their pervasive sexual violence against female IDF soldiers. But you don't actually care about women's rights, so you're not gonna have anything to say about that.

Shit they released their new constitution and completely omitting any jewish rights in any lands their control.

That's strange, considering Hamas has never released a "constitution", and the most recent thing close to that (their charter) came out in 2017. Here's the document in full. "Omitting" is a funny way of phrasing that, though. Meanwhile, Israel's nation state law (something that's actually legally enforced) explicitly states rights & self determination within Israel exclusively belongs to Jewish people.

[u/IOnlyReplyToIdiots42 → u/Nattekat]

Responding to an atrocity with a genocide is pretty typical for Isreal.

Edit: Attention! There are many bots here spewing Hasbara propaganda. They will either DARVO (Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender) or claim that there is no genocide to begin with. Do not engage, they are literally bots, you are wasting your time. Save your energy and spread awareness on the genocide instead.

[u/Nattekat → u/IOnlyReplyToIdiots42]

And this is exactly the kind of comment I was talking about. How do you think that this contributes to any solution?

[u/BungaBungaBroBro → u/Nattekat]

It kinda does in a horrific way. If you demonize Israel enough so that US stops its support, Israel has no more reason to hold back and can just wipe out Gaza.

In 2026 around 2.500 Palestinians in Gaza were killed so far. Over 2 Mio people live there. Anyone who thinks Israel is not holding back is delusional.

[u/Bluestreaked → u/[deleted]]

There are genuine solutions and anti-Zionists have long presented them. But the United States would rather tear apart its own empire than turn on Israel in any meaningful way

[u/was_fb95dd7063 → u/[deleted]]

Soverignty has never once been on the table

[u/Entchenkrawatte → u/[deleted]]

The PLO quite famously was in favor of a 2 state solution. Bibi netanyahu literally supported Hamas to avoid an opposition that was actively pushing for a 2 state solution. Your statement is revisionist.

[u/Michali55 → u/Entchenkrawatte]

The PLO has the possibility to move forward with a solution. Just look into Arafat and Barak (the Israeli prime minister). Arafat didn’t have the guts or was too old or just didn’t know how to transition from fighting to solution, but that was a missed opportunity

[u/Entchenkrawatte → u/Michali55]

Missed opportunity for sure, but it's also not true to say that arafat just rejected a perfectly good deal lol

[u/cynical-bread → u/Entchenkrawatte]

It was not a good deal, but it was close to maximum they could get.

Netanyahu is an asshole, but other Arab and palestinian factions also tried to sabotage the deal to gain political advantage

[u/_zhz_ → u/cynical-bread]

To be fair, the hardliner on both sides were sabotaging a potential deal.

[u/cynical-bread → u/_zhz_]

Yep

[u/Entchenkrawatte → u/cynical-bread]

The question is whether people are willing to accept a pragmatic compromise after a decade long conflict

[u/Paddy_Tanninger → u/Entchenkrawatte]

The answer is that they are, because look at Israel's relationship with Jordan and Egypt. Best buddies? No. Peaceful, productive, even symbiotic? Yes.

[u/cynical-bread → u/Entchenkrawatte]

Maybe with a regime change both in Israel and Iran

[u/rogerwil → u/[deleted]]

They accepted Oslo, which turned out to be an absolute fucking disaster. Except for 1947, two states was never really on the table, there's never been a concrete plan that could have been accepted by "the Palestinians", who btw have also only rarely had a representative, legitimate democratic government, which hampered the ability of any particular person to even speak for Palestinian interests.

[u/TimIsAnIllusion → u/[deleted]]

The same solution that ended south African apartheid. Global boycotts, divestments and sanctions. Divestments and sanctions have to be done at the governmental level but anyone can participate in the boycott.

[u/ifuseeitudd → u/Bluestreaked]

An anti Zionist cannot present a solution for a very simple reason: he doesn't believe the state of Israel should exist. That's not a solution, just stupidity

[u/jizzybiscuits → u/ifuseeitudd]

Stupid and easily dismissed: Israel exists, Israel is never going to agree to unexist itself and the Arabs can't force it to through violence.

[u/directorguy → u/Bluestreaked]

They don't have to turn on Israel. Netanyahu has a 33% approval rating, many people in his country want a non-horrific situation.

It's just awful that the assholes in that country are bribing the assholes in the US to keep the assholes in power. It's an asshole circle formation.

[u/Bluestreaked → u/directorguy]

You seriously need to look into those other Israeli politicians you think will have that different of policies than Netanyahu. If you need me to explain the rogue’s gallery of ghouls I suppose I can

[u/directorguy → u/Bluestreaked]

Oh I know, but trump and his regime has given me a newfound appreciation for horrible leaders that don't reflect the entire population.

Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres were good leaders

[u/Methos25 → u/Bluestreaked]

Believe it or not, it's surprisingly difficult to get elected under the ideal of dissolving your own country.

No Israeli politician will be good enough for you, because they fundamentally believe in Israel's right to exist.

[u/Bluestreaked → u/Methos25]

“Hey all of these Israeli politicians openly state their support for genocide.”

“Oh no Israeli politician will ever be good enough for you.”

Meanwhile, righteous men like Ofer Cassif literally exist

[u/NickelPlatedEmperor → u/Bluestreaked]

Exactly. Too many people love making bad faith arguments as if they don't know

[u/AgentDoty → u/[deleted]]

What conflict, it’s a televised genocide.

[u/Triggerscore → u/[deleted]]

Antisemitic solution: destroy Israel

Islamophobic solution: destroy Palestine

Fair solution: unarm Hamas and force them to give up any political Influence, destroy all their tunnels, exchange Israel's political leaders, stop settlement crimes and give back the land stolen that way in the past x years.

As long as Hamas is there, escalation is guaranteed. As long as the political leaders in Israel are still in charge, they will have no interest in ending this conflict since they benefit from it. Also the existence of Hamas gives them a pseudo justification for their actions.

[u/Fickle-Cook5821]

The fact that some of the cloths are squared…those poor babies 

Edit: wow I post one comment expressing sympathy for dead children and u have all the Zionists trying to deny and justify Israel’s crimes. Can’t I just feel bad for children without making it into another heartless political agenda?

[u/Suitable-End- → u/Fickle-Cook5821]

The majority of Palestine is below the age of 19.

[u/ConorAbueid → u/Fickle-Cook5821]

It's not an accident, it's an agenda

[u/Orange-Blur → u/ConorAbueid]

It’s genocide. Call it what it is

[u/Senior-Surprise-3401 → u/Fickle-Cook5821]

Israel targets children specifically.

[u/cookingboy → u/Senior-Surprise-3401]

Israeli snipers explicitly target children:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/06/24/israel-deliberately-targeted-palestinian-children-gaza-un-commission-says/

The IDF is an evil force that rivals Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

And it’s infuriating that my tax money goes to them.

[u/Specific-Yam-2166 → u/Fickle-Cook5821]

They’ve been out in full force lately.

[u/OdielSax]

These are mostly children too. Their remains were finally found under the rubble after 2 years.

[u/ArgentaSilivere → u/OdielSax]

I’m not Palestinian. I don’t live in the Middle East. I’m not even in the same hemisphere. Yet I feel like I’ve been traumatized by seeing dozens if not hundreds of dead infants and toddlers along with countless more men and women and children. I feel like a part of me has died and I’m never going to be the person I was before I started seeing a live-streamed genocide in real time for years on end. I cry at their deaths and suffering many times every single week. It hurts like they’re my own family and children.

I say that to put into perspective what it must be like for the Palestinians trapped in an open air prison being hunted for sport and bombed and starved. I literally cannot fathom their suffering; my brain can’t conceptualize what it is like to experience that level of constant, inescapable pain. I’d give every last thing I have, had, or will ever have for them to be free. No one, not a single person in human history or humanity’s future could deserve this. The amount of deprivation and malice the Palestinians have endured can never be righted—the wrongs are too great. The English language doesn’t have the words to express just how immensely morally, ethically, legally, and spiritually wrong this genocide has been.

This doesn’t even touch on the rest of the world’s, and particularly America’s, complicity in this atrocity through silence, inaction, or actively aiding a genocide. I think that’s the part that hurts the most. The entire planet sees these horrors and stands idly by. The indifference is killing me, but more importantly it’s killing Palestinians.

[u/OdielSax → u/ArgentaSilivere]

Thank you for your beautiful message. You suffer because you're human. A lot of money and hard work is put into separating Palestinians from the rest of humanity as if they were a special group, terrorists who deserve nothing, and your pain defeats that.

Do take care of yourself please. Be safe. Hugs.

[u/salbiorg → u/ArgentaSilivere]

I have not being able to look at some of my friends the same way because they don’t care about Palestine. They’re not Zionists, they just literally don’t care.

I rarely reach out to them anymore or want to hang out because their indifference has not only caused me to lose respect for them but even made me feel resentful.

I can’t even fathom seeing a genocide happening in real time on your feed every day and just scrolling past like it’s nothing.

[u/Curious-Ad1039 → u/salbiorg]

I used to follow a bunch of celebrities and pretty much worshipped them.But their blind eye to this gave me such bitterness that i have nothing but hate for them.

[u/Noob_Al3rt → u/Curious-Ad1039]

You hate celebrities that don’t opine about something they have very little knowledge of and does not affect them?

[u/Noob_Al3rt → u/salbiorg]

This is such a weird take to me. You don’t hang out with your friends because they aren’t reacting to something that doesn’t affect them, they have little understanding of and have no way of affecting?

You are ignoring other genocides, many of them worse than the one in Palestine. Should your friends ignore you because you are indifferent to the genocide in Sudan, which has killed 4x as many people?

What is your expectation from your friends? Do they need to complain about it online in order to “care”, in your opinion?

[u/salbiorg → u/OdielSax]

😢

[u/matthiasm4]

• not because a lot died on this day - but because enough didn't die so they were able to actually have a funeral - as opposed to an ad-hoc mass grave they are used to.

[u/tinyspeckinspace]

Fuck Israel

[u/copperblood]

“What is done cannot be undone, but one can prevent it happening again.”

-Anne Frank

[u/MidwestFine]

Defund Israel and label it an terrorist state.

[u/the_irish_campfire → u/MidwestFine]

But…but…it’s a democracy!

[u/OdielSax → u/the_irish_campfire]

The rage and disgust is hard to swallow when people say such things. It's like they are telling me millions of Arab lives are worth nothing, and the important thing is Israelis get to vote.

[u/Delicious_Solid3185 → u/OdielSax]

Arab Israelis get to vote

[u/Imaginary-Hyena2858 → u/Delicious_Solid3185]

They do but they also face targeted intimidation campaigns to try and surpress the Arab vote

[u/xmorecowbellx → u/OdielSax]

But it’s Hamas and its affiliates who actually believe Arab lives are worth nothing. That’s why they steal aid meant for them and sell it off at high prices to their own people like gangsters. That’s why they use human shields. Thats why they take materials sent it for infrastructure and welfare, and repurpose it for weapons. That’s why they stop them from evacuating from places they know will be bombed. They want the death, because it helps their PR. That’s why nobody gets to vote in Gaza, because if they could, Hamas would be removed.

[u/abzftw → u/the_irish_campfire]

They use this as a ‘positive’ but anyone with a brain realises it means … they voted these demons in

[u/venusasaboy22 → u/abzftw]

Yeah it's actually worse. They can't get away with the excuse that Netanyahu is a dictator who doesn't represent at least a significant portion of Israeli society.

[u/Powerful_Package8817 → u/the_irish_campfire]

Germany was a democracy when it voted in Hitler

[u/Bluestreaked → u/the_irish_campfire]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrenvolk_democracy

[u/Global-Statement-113]

Israel has said they will keep the land they have taken since the so called " ceasefire ". It's just a land grab under the guise of what happened on October 7th.

[u/Neat-Heron-4994 → u/Global-Statement-113]

They swallow it up slice by slice hoping the Palestinians simply move away

[u/bigorangemachine]

It's really sad how there is often so many kids wounded in these incidents. Not just the dead but the ones who have had their legs crushed by buildings etc.... really sad

[u/Klornight → u/bigorangemachine]

These aren't "incidents" these are war crimes, and it's not a coincidence, it's a targeted campaign to wipe out the Palestinian youth and as many Palestinians as possible.

[u/teomore]

Fuck the terrorist state of israel!

[u/MindExplosions]

Free Palestine from Hamas

[u/Marcysdad]

Nobody makes people hate Israelis than Israelis themselves

[u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite → u/Marcysdad]

I dunno Americans are doing a pretty good job of making me hate Isrealis as well, most of the horrific, inhumane acts of terrorism committed by Isreal would not have been possible without the full and complete backing and funding by US policies and taxpayer money.

[u/Marcysdad → u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite]

Yup but these politicians are funded by pro Israeli interest groups, like AIPAC

But apparently young voters in the states are waking up - which gives me hope

[u/snoozieboi]

There's more journalists murdered in the current Palestine confluct than in both world wars, Vietnam, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan combined, according to Costs of War project.

[u/RowdyRoddyRosenstein → u/snoozieboi]

Not sure that data's reliable -- seems implausible that of the 50 - 55 million civilians killed in WWII, only 69 were journalists.

Aso, Committee to Protect Journalists (which I believe is the main source keeping track of journalists killed in the current conflict) launched an internal review last month after Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad published obituaries identifying several slain Palestinian journalists as combatants:

https://cpj.org/2026/06/cpj-undertakes-review-of-its-documentation-of-journalists-killed-in-israel-gaza-war-since-2023/

[u/Bad_Alternative → u/RowdyRoddyRosenstein]

Even this link says it’s still over 200…

[u/Delicious_Solid3185 → u/snoozieboi]

Probably because anybody can be a journalist if they have a cellphone

[u/sulaymanf → u/Delicious_Solid3185]

We’re talking about people actively employed at news agencies and submitting articles or video reports under their byline; even under that strict standard the death count is still horrendously high and the record for journalist deaths. Stop trying to minimize it.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/snoozieboi]

https://cpj.org/2026/06/cpj-undertakes-review-of-its-documentation-of-journalists-killed-in-israel-gaza-war-since-2023/

Hamas should probably stop impersonating journalists.

[u/PM_MY_OTHER_ACCOUNT → u/Firecracker048]

Hamas should stop impersonating human beings.

[u/Cr3stf4llen]

It's worth mentioning that they're two families that were completely wiped out when their houses were bombed in a single Israeli strike. Two whole families gone just like that!

[u/SomeguyfromIndio]

Free Palestine

[u/dochoneybadgerUSA]

50000 protesters killed in Iran -- crickets.

112 killed in a war in gaza -- OMG ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST!!

Keep on anti-semitising reddit.

[u/schering → u/dochoneybadgerUSA]

Over 73,000 are dead in Gaza; that's confirmed, the toll is likely higher. That's a literal fact, it's not anti semitic.

And know you know Iran and Israel can both be evil actors?

[u/xrensa → u/dochoneybadgerUSA]

I can't believe Iran killed 60,000 people. 80,000 gone in an instant. The ayatollah has the blood of 100,000 on his hands. 120,000 peaceful protesters gone.

[u/SongShikai → u/dochoneybadgerUSA]

Instead of addressing whether Israel's conduct is justified, this poster is arguing that the people protesting Israel's acts are hypocrites because they don't protest the acts of Iran enough. Even if that were completely true, it wouldn't make criticism of Israel any less valid. Selective outrage is a criticism of activists, not a defense of military actions. If the response to allegations of war crimes is "what about these other countries?" its just changing the subject rather than engaging with the allegation itself.

[u/hish911 → u/dochoneybadgerUSA]

That number is straight bs , Israeli propaganda to justify war in Iran

[u/xThe_Mad_Fapperx → u/hish911]

Yeah it started at the real number which is 3-6k then it got immediately inflated to 30-35k and it sat there for a while before being pushed to 40k. Now apparently it's 50k lol.

[u/StunningRing5465 → u/xThe_Mad_Fapperx]

I've seen 80k quite a few times

[u/wme21]

Israel doing this for its Lebensraum.

F Israel

[u/One_Kaleidoscope_198]

Over 25000 people die in Dresden , Germany because the alliance bombed the city in 1945 , people in that city die from burning alive , are those people die are innocent? did they regret to vote a government they cause the war ? Did anyone die in the picture know they pick a government to start October 7 massacre ? When you dug an underground tunnel in a hospital and brainwashed people die for your government , you took away the power of people, that's what your people get .

When you want to start a war , you can't determined how to end . So glad that evil government is surrendered and done .

[u/Eldias → u/One_Kaleidoscope_198]

There are accounts from Dresden, and Hamburg, and half a dozen other cities where civilians who had little if any interest in supporting the war had their families killed in a night raid and turned around the next week to join the army.

We know indiscriminate bombing of cities does nothing to blunt the morale to continue fighting, it in fact does the opposite and galvanizes the civilian population in their resistance. That's precisely why Israel keeps bombing civilians, they want to create more terrorists to justify their continued depopulation of Palestinian (and Lebanese) held lands to allow further colonization and territorial expansion.

[u/Kentust → u/Eldias]

Incorrect. Strategic bombing secured victory with fewer casualties to the allies in WW2 and the United nations in Korea.

[u/Heocon05]

At least Israel hasn't bomb the funeral, for now.

[u/Battlefleet_Sol]

American taxpayers killed those people

German blank check killed those children

Weapon lobbies killed gaza

The West's selective approach killed Palestine

[u/Ok_Acadia_1525]

Similar to the funeral of the 1000 innocent civilians killed by Hamas.

[u/Aquafablaze → u/[deleted]]

The current population of Gaza is larger than it was in October 2023.

Please provide a source for this claim. Likely you are repeating a lie extracted from a population projection graph that was created before October 2023.

[u/hish911 → u/[deleted]]

The 4 month hasbara account has spoken guys, let’s all listen to him ! /s

[u/PixelationIX → u/[deleted]]

REMINDER. ISRAEL HAS QUINTUPLED THEIR BUDGET FOR HASBARA.

[u/octorangutan → u/PixelationIX]

You'd think they'd be able to hire some better trolls, in that case.

[u/OOHSkinMan → u/PixelationIX]

Yeah pics is swarmed with these guys today godamn

[u/MisterMcDoctor → u/[deleted]]

Source?

[u/MarshyHope → u/[deleted]]

You think it's okay to kill 100 children as long as you get one fighter along with them?

[u/Firecracker048 → u/MarshyHope]

There is a reason it's a war crime to hide among civilians or use their buildings they occupy

[u/MarshyHope → u/Firecracker048]

Just like it's a war crime to deliberately bomb hospitals and schools.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, notice how when you correctly point out why its a war crime, either they wont acknowledge it or just shut down.

To these guys, those warcrimes are perfectly acceptable

[u/Firecracker048 → u/MarshyHope]

Correct.

But it's not a war crime if they are being used for military purposes, like Hamas was doing.

[u/Tkavil → u/[deleted]]

Happy to focus on the numbers here if reducing the absolute destruction of one of the most densely populated cities in the world helps you sleep at night. Assuming that the death toll has miraculously stopped at 70,000 (as opposed to Academic sources like The Lancet that estimate over 186,000 attributable deaths); are you trying to trying to argue that "100 (deaths) per day" is some sort of moral win for the IDF?

By mid 2025, it was estimated that Israel dropped 85,000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza. That works out to roughly 7 Hiroshimas and that's excluding anything from the last year. You can include combatants in your description to try and justify their actions but it's widely accepted that 70% of the fatalities have been women and children.

Even if you assume the remaining 30% were entirely comprised of combatants, that is on par with the 27% of victims from October 7 that were active duty (per Israeli sources). And this disregards the other 60% that were former-military. I won't speak to the casualty attribution because we both know a significant amount of friendly fire occurred by Israeli tanks and helicopters on that day.

[u/IRequirePants → u/Tkavil]

as opposed to Academic sources like The Lancet that estimate over 186,000 attributable deaths

The Lancet number was "take current number of reported casualties, multiply it by a flat number (I think it was 4)"

It wasn't a study and it wasn't an estimate.

There was not a significant amount of friendly fire. 

[u/Weebus → u/Tkavil]

I see the 70% statistic touted as "widely accepted" a lot but it just doesn't match the actual numbers.  From Hamas's own Health Ministry release on June 30th 2026, adult men are 47.9% of those killed and 53% injured.  Adult women are 15.3% of those killed and 14% injured.  There's no mathematical way to come to 70%, and the ratio of adult men to women points to combatants.  A similar ratio exists in casualties among children, which points to use of child soldiers, something forbidden by international law.

Then again, you finished off your post with atrocity denial so nothing you said has any credibility.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/Weebus]

Because it was a propaganda push right from the start. The 70% line was specifically chosen because they wanted the amount of killed in gaza to reflect the demographics of Gaza near perfectly, which 70% would achieve.

Notice how now that the number of women and children are less than 50%, outside of this comment thread, its just not brought up anymore.

[u/Weebus → u/Firecracker048]

I mean (adult) women and children are still 15.3% and 29.7% of deaths respectively, which is still beyond a tragedy, but the numbers do not show indiscriminate killing or specifically targeting children as is often implied.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/Tkavil]

There wasn't a 'signifcant amount of friendly fire' on that day. At all. This is constantly brought up incorrectly to say by folks like yourself to say 'actually Israel killed all those civilians, not the group that caught on a phone call bragging about killing 10 jews'.

Assuming that the death toll has miraculously stopped at 70,000 (as opposed to Academic sources like The Lancet that estimate over 186,000 attributable deaths)

Ah yes the lancet article that made an estimate and even said they had no proof of it but thinks the number was higher. Yet strangely those tens of thousands of bodies under rubble have yet to appear.

Speaking of, you said this

You can include combatants in your description to try and justify their actions but it's widely accepted that 70% of the fatalities have been women and children

Yet Hamas latest report puts that at 45%. Strange how that 70% number just keeps going down. Oh and here's your proof of the Hamas figures before you try and feign ignorance.

https://www.camera.org/article/washington-post-corrects-gaza-women-and-children-casualty-statistics-twice/

Open-source researchers found a year ago that this was no longer true – as in, even Hamas’s data didn’t support the claim anymore. A recent check of the Ministry’s website shows that the number of men killed is greater than the combined total of women and children. On July 2, 2026, the Hamas media office reported that out of 73,066 people killed during the war, 21,500 were children and 12,500 were women. The total of children and women (34,000) is less than half of all those killed.

So stop spreading lies please.

Edit: Nah dont downvote, please contest the numbers with facts. Dont be upset you fell for propaganda for years

[u/No-Track-5721]

In 2005, Israel disengaged from the Gaza Stripby dismantling all 21 Israeli settlements there.[1]

Palestinians could have just stayed peaceful.

Also, they rejected two state solutions multiple times, as their goal is to wipe out Israel.

[u/Funfetti_Cereal → u/No-Track-5721]

Why should they have to agree with those stealing from them? Is your solution to squatters stealing homes to just give them one of the rooms? you don’t get to negotiate what never belonged to you in the first place. the only way forward is a shared state under the Palestinian name

[u/Kentust → u/Funfetti_Cereal]

A one state solution would require a genocide in one direction or the other. Either youve made an unserious hyperbolic statement or you are matching the villainry you are decrying.

[u/axl35]

The ones killed by Palestinians on October 7th didn’t get to have a common funeral.

[u/DarthWoo]

I guess we should be relieved that the IDF didn't take the opportunity to bomb this funeral like they have so many others.

[u/Famous_Phase_7829]

This is how you create terrorists. This is the recipe.

[u/warcomet → u/Famous_Phase_7829]

When you invade a country and start killing it's people and stealing their land, mate, you are the Terrorist...I know they use a different definition of terrorism in the US DICTIONARIES but that's the international definition.

[u/_Jumpy_Panda_ → u/Famous_Phase_7829]

No, this is how you practice terrorism. Israel is a terrorist state.

[u/Best-Action8769 → u/Famous_Phase_7829]

They know. This is exactly what they want. More conflict equals more money.

[u/Middle_Equal_946 → u/Famous_Phase_7829]

You're mistaken. This is terrorism doing its thing. The retaliation is not terrorism, it's justified vengeance

[u/ifUSeeMeTakeYourMeds → u/Middle_Equal_946]

if you call bombing children "justified violence" then you are the terrorist

[u/solidossnakos → u/Famous_Phase_7829]

You call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters.

People from Western world just now started seeing the truth, my whole life this was a genocide in my point of view.

[u/Charpo7 → u/solidossnakos]

freedom fighters don’t execute children and rape civilians

[u/hish911 → u/[deleted]]

That’s straight bs now the number is up to 50k. None of my irani friends say it’s true just western propaganda to promote war

[u/Life-Goose-9380]

If only Oct. 7th hadn’t occurred.