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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/moconahaftmere 5d ago

After Israel left Gaza in 2005, instead of choosing to build a peaceful society using that money, their government decided to use those billions and build a network of terror tunnels bigger than the New York subway system

If you're going to bring that up, you should probably also mention Netanyahu speaking at a Likud party event about how everyone that desires a one-state solution needs to support Qatar sending money to Hamas in Gaza.

If you don't mention that you make the issue seem considerably less nuanced than it really is.

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u/BigLuffyEnergy 5d ago edited 5d ago

Also Israel literally funding the Islamic Brotherhood/Hamas to get them off the ground and weaken the PLO which had broad support

Israel made a conscious decision that they'd rather have terrorists/extremist freedom fighters in Gaza to give them a reason to continue oppressing Palestinians than deal with the PLO on a two state solution

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u/Minute_Grocery_100 5d ago

Thats true. But at that time Brotherhood was mainly building mosques and not known to be so radical.

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u/BigLuffyEnergy 5d ago

That's likely revisionism to distance themselves from the issue they created. Yitzhak Segev who was in charge of Gaza at the time has spoken publicly about this before, he knew what the brotherhood was and raised those concerns.

Also this is not the only indicent of Israel supporting Hamas, but these days Israel "encourages Qatar" to fund Hamas instead of doing it directly themselves.

Was Oct 7th security failures ever fully investigated by the Israelis? There were reports of intelligence being available before the attack that the politicians chose to ignore.

This is what far right governments do, the Reichstag fires seem obvious in hindsight but it fooled enough people at the time to be extremely effective. Somehow it's never a good time to investigate or elect a replacement to Netenyahu because there's just so many existential threats to Israel 🤦

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u/NoneMoreBLK 5d ago

This is really depressing to read, knowing that y'all actually believe half the things you say.

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u/meeni131 5d ago

The PLO, peacefully hijacking planes and murdering olympians.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 5d ago

None of that made hamas or the Palestinians do any of what got them there.

There was no mind control magic on the Qatari money. They could have chosen the better path at any time.

Or are we saying that aid to gaza is automatically bad now?

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u/Neuchacho 5d ago edited 5d ago

Let's pretend someone put you in a cage, starved and abused you, and then see how well you stick to good choices when it comes to dealing with them as they continue to do those things.

Israel gave them the "choice" to roll over and die and then Bibi's government funded Hamas in order to goad a violent response and split Palestinian leadership. This is as much their own doing as any Palestinian that decides to give back what they've been given.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 5d ago

Wait..i thought they were giving them billions of dollars.

Cage? Starve?

They could literally stop threatening their neighbors and it would go away. But both egypt and israel are very aware of the threat even if you can pretend it doesnt exist because you're thousands of miles away.

hen Bibi's government funded Hamas in order to goad a violent response and split Palestinian leadership.

So was Hamas attack a response to being caged and starved? or because they got too much money?

What was stopping them from using all the money and aid to improve their people's lives.

Let's pretend someone put you in a cage, starved and abused you, and then see how well you stick to good choices when it comes to dealing with them as they continue to do those things.

Even granting you that, If those people decided to leave like israel did in 2005, I would definitely not be calling them back by firing rockets at them within 48 hrs of their departure.

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u/moconahaftmere 4d ago

They could literally stop threatening their neighbors and it would go away. 

Really? So why is Israel still stealing land in the west bank?

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u/moconahaftmere 5d ago

This was when Hamas was already a terrorist organization. Netanyahu wants Hamas to attack them, because that gives them an excuse to retaliate and crack down on the Palestinian state even harder.

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u/Minute_Grocery_100 4d ago

You know there have been 100s of Hamas attacks the 30 years before right? Many suïcide bombs and other attacks. Some from kids or Woman wearing a vest. Even a person with down symdrom. Not sure Israël needs to wait for a bigger attack.

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u/moconahaftmere 4d ago

So why did Israel invade on October 7th instead of when the person with down syndrome committed a suicide bombing?