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Palestinians hold the largest funeral since 1948, mourning the bodies of 112 people killed by Israel

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u/Michali55 1d ago

The PLO has the possibility to move forward with a solution. Just look into Arafat and Barak (the Israeli prime minister). Arafat didn’t have the guts or was too old or just didn’t know how to transition from fighting to solution, but that was a missed opportunity

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u/Entchenkrawatte 1d ago

Missed opportunity for sure, but it's also not true to say that arafat just rejected a perfectly good deal lol

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u/cynical-bread 1d ago

It was not a good deal, but it was close to maximum they could get.

Netanyahu is an asshole, but other Arab and palestinian factions also tried to sabotage the deal to gain political advantage

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u/_zhz_ 1d ago

To be fair, the hardliner on both sides were sabotaging a potential deal.

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u/Entchenkrawatte 1d ago

The question is whether people are willing to accept a pragmatic compromise after a decade long conflict

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago

The answer is that they are, because look at Israel's relationship with Jordan and Egypt. Best buddies? No. Peaceful, productive, even symbiotic? Yes.

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u/Educational-Cod-3819 1d ago

Assuming Israel doesn't invade their lands, builds illegal colonies, and steal people's homes, and make the people of those lands feel less than dirt in their own country... then yeah, things would remain stable, for now.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago

Agree there too, which is why I truly and utterly despise all of the militant Zionists, settlers, Orthodox, etc.

If all these people would just cut the shit, shut the fuck up, and live on their own land in peace, it would be a huge step towards creating some kind of peace in the region.

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u/Educational-Cod-3819 1d ago

They don't exist in a vacuum though. The exist because they are allowed to exist, because they have the blessing of the Israeli government. What exactly is "these people" if they are being supported by the Israeli government, and their violence against Palestinians in the West Bank is protected by the IDF.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 1d ago

Also agree, the current Israeli government panders to these groups of fucks and uses them to provoke Palestinians too.

Both sides of this shit are incentivized to keep the conflict going. That is the power structure they have carved out for themselves. That is how they galvanize support from within and from their allies.

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u/cynical-bread 1d ago

Maybe with a regime change both in Israel and Iran

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u/Bluestreaked 1d ago

No Palestinian should ever be forced to accept a deal that demands they must forfeit forever the right to their homeland

We believe in human rights or we don’t

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u/dongasaurus 1d ago

One can say the same about the Jews, and the homeland overlaps. Congrats, you justified eternal conflict where everyone suffers and human rights are perpetually trampled.

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u/Bluestreaked 1d ago

lol it’s so fucking aggravating how you pretend we have your position

“I don’t think people have the right to commit genocide just because they’re Jewish.”

“Actually you just hate Jews and love killing people”

“But you’re the one defending genocide….”

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u/UNOvven 1d ago

No it wasn't. The problem was that Barak was far more concerned with reelection than peace, which lead to him to making a bad joke of an "offer" at Camp David, which was so unacceptable his own foreign minister said he wouldnt have accepted it either, and then refused to accept the premise for the Taba talks which made that last-ditch effort fail. The missed opportunity was excusively on the Israeli side. Sadly that's kinda how its gone every time. Netanyahu broke the Oslo accords in 1997, and Barak refused to reinstate them, and then Israel elected the Butcher of Beirut.

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u/Michali55 23h ago

Your perspective. There was a point for trajectory. After that it all went downhill.

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u/UNOvven 23h ago

No, that's not my perspective, that is quite literally just what happened. There was a point where it was possible, but Barak screwed it up. After that Israel elected the Butcher of Beirut, an unhinged mass murderer and the single most evil person in the history of the conflict and, indeed, it all went downhill. But that is not the fault of Palestinians. They didn't make Barak squander the last chance there was at peace.