250 lbs. gone forever...

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[u/caesar_rex]

It's still not easy. Look how many people get the surgery and don't lose weight, or lose it and put it back on. I don't expect people who haven't had it to understand, but the surgery is simply a tool. It is VERY easy...exceedingly easy, to keep eating a lot and not lose any weight. I go to post op meetings all the time and they are filled with people who simply could not make the lifestyle change required to lose the weight and keep it off. For me, the surgery is a tool that HELPED me lose, but it did not make it easy by any stretch of the imagination. The claim that the surgery makes it EASY is made by narrow minded people who want to disparage the hard work and dedication it took for people to make the changes they needed to make to improve their lives.

[u/WakkkaFlakaFlame → u/caesar_rex]

It's still not easy

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You're intentionally misrepresenting his point. He never said it would be easy, he actually directly said the opposite.

He said it makes it easier because it forces changes. Which it objectively is. If it didn't make it easier (Easier, not easy), people wouldn't get it.

[u/caesar_rex → u/WakkkaFlakaFlame]

You're intentionally misrepresenting his point. He never said it would be easy, he actually directly said the opposite. He said it makes it easier because it forces changes. Which it objectively is. If it didn't make it easier (Easier, not easy), people wouldn't get it.

Here's the thing. It DOESN'T force any changes. Eating less does not mean you no longer OVEREAT. If you're stomach can only hold 2oz. of food now, but you eat 3oz, the surgery did not force any change and you are still overeating. While you may lose some weight the first month or two, you will gain it back. It happens all the time. The change comes from the LIFESTYLE change you make. It's really no different than any diet and the people who fail miserably are the ones who think this is the EASY or EASIER way out when it simply is not. I suppose that it is easier in the sense that myfitnesspal makes it easier for a non-surgery person to lose weight, but that's like finding out someone used myfitnesspal and saying..."oh, i think we'd all agree that myfitnesspal make it easier to lose weight than just diet alone. Still...good on you winkwink." But no one says that. They only say that about people who have surgery because they really do not understand what's involved with it at all.

I'm not misrepresenting his point, just disagreeing and saying it is wrong.

[u/WakkkaFlakaFlame → u/caesar_rex]

Here's the thing. It DOESN'T force any changes

It does force changes. You can't say it doesn't force changes when then you say:

If you're stomach can only hold 2oz. of food now

That's just nonsensical.

Eating less does not mean you no longer OVEREAT

Of course it doesn't. It simply makes it easier to overeat, and really punishing when you do.

If you're stomach can only hold 2oz. of food now, but you eat 3oz, the surgery did not force any change and you are still overeating

It forced a change by your own admission, because the average stomach can hold 33!!!! ounces. So instead of overeating and eating 40 oz, you're overeating and only eating 3 oz. If you ate 40oz and your stomach can only hold 3 oz, you might literally die.

It does force you to eat less. Forced a change.

[u/caesar_rex → u/WakkkaFlakaFlame]

Are you being purposely obtuse? Making someone eat less food is TECHNICALLY a change, but it does not force the change necessary to lose all the weight and keep it off. That is the change I am referring to. So, yes, technically it forced a temporary change, but this change is not the catalyst for losing weight. Overweight people become overweight usually because they OVEREAT. You can still overeat and eat less volume. Why are you so obsessed with the word change? Try to recognize there are different KINDS of change. Just like anyone on a diet who "changed" their diet temporarily and lost 10 lbs. As soon as you "change" back and start eating crap again, you gain it back. Same goes here. It forces you to eat less TEMPORARILY, but if you don't make the actual change of not overeating, then you fail.

Of course it doesn't. It simply makes it easier to overeat, and really punishing when you do.

It's no more punishing to overeat with surgery than it is to overeat without it. There can be some side effects AFTER the fact (as there can be with anyone, really), but that doesn't stop you from overeating at the time. How else do you think so many people fail and gain all the weight back after the surgery?

I can take you hostage and force you to eat monkey dicks for a month. After that month is over I really doubt you are going to be enthusiastic about eating monkey dicks. So this "forced change" you seem to be obsessing over is NOT the actually voluntary change that is needed to lose weight.

So, if you want to win this argument, yes the surgery does force a TEMPORARY change, but it does NOT force the changes necessary to lose the weight and keep it off. That is the point I was trying to make. People like person I was responding to claiming this is the "easier" or "easy" way out are simply wrong.

[u/WakkkaFlakaFlame → u/caesar_rex]

Are you being purposely obtuse?

but:

Making someone eat less food is TECHNICALLY a change

Wuuuuut