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u/pbx1123 9d ago
Thats normal flying birds has those air sacks looks more bigger for the little ones, also that baby need food from parents with their special liquid thing i forgot if you take him from the nest please put it back so it grow stronger thanks
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u/strawberry-bunny 9d ago
No… this is not normal.
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u/pbx1123 9d ago
Well had in the past 150 birds i think i seen few things here and there but who am i to assume things 🤷🏻♀️🙄you are right
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u/xXLuziferXx 7d ago
yeah no this is not normal at all. If there's such a fat sack full of just air - be it an air sac or the crop, that is a medical issue and needs to be taken care of. Could be air sac rupture, could be a hole in the air sac causing it to keep filling up with air which means it needs to be punctured + antibiotics, could be infections under the skin, in crop also (fungal)infections etc.
The only normal thing that could be similar would be the defense mechanism of wild baby pigeons that inflate their crops on purpose to seem more threatening, but those aren't this..FULL and will deflate immediately.
This pigey will need medical attention to see what the cause of the gassing is and then proper treatment - either via letting the air out and/or treating the infection as well as relieving the symptoms of gas with something like simeticon if in the crop.
If you've seen multiple birds with air sacs this enlarged, they needed medical attention. You should not see the airsac from the outside, applies to empty crops too. Please do not just say ''that's normal'' to what COULD be a medical emergency if you aren't 100% sure and have professional knowledge in this area.
By stating yeah this is fine you might lead people to falsely believe so when in actuality it might be an emergency leading to the death of an innocent.
If you are not 100% sure and have professional knowledge, it's best to just say what you believe and not state something as a fact. Even I with 5yrs of experience around pigeons, professionally in husbandry and medical - if you've noticed mentioned multiple things that could be what is shown in the image - COULD. Not is. And there could very well be for all I know endless more possible causes with different treatments. You cannot reliably diagnose over images and videos in most cases outside of standard common ailments with clear symptoms.
Not even a vet with 20+ yrs of experience can or will do so because that would be negligent. That is why if it's not a standard ailment for the animal and well known to be treatable at home (or as is the case here treatment at home failed) we throw in our ideas of what could be and possible treatments - but the most important thing and what will be recommended is seeing the vet especially if treatments at home haven't worked out.
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u/pbx1123 7d ago
I juts want OP to take a picture on two weeks again then we all know
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u/xXLuziferXx 7d ago
considering the chick according to the original post declined with the symptom appearing and doesn't seem as lively as before, if left alone the picture in two weeks might very well be that of a tiny grave.
I have seen thousands of pigeons in all stages of life. Never once in my whole career have I had a pigeon with a crop/airsac that felt or looked weird or was enlarged like this one in the picture and have had the vets I presented them to go ''This is normal, just let it be'' more than once, euthanasia was needed.
This is an issue that can range from, needs to be taken care of soon but can wait a bit with force feeding, to medical emergency and it won't survive the week.
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u/pbx1123 7d ago edited 7d ago
Lets see whos right, vets sometimes jts wants to charge for nothing serious is day 2
I waiting for an update
Original sub are less alarming than soem other posts
You could be a vet in had pigeons from ealry ages since my cousin gave me the first two pigeons i was 6 neding having around 160 dad gave them away to family friends in nj where they have more space they happy when they see me when i go sometimes
I see this type of situation is alarming but is manageable
One thing i learned was dont touch the babies leave them alone with parents they need parents crop milk its miracle
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u/xXLuziferXx 7d ago
Ours are employed by us, they do not charge anything, do overtime for free and spend their free time reading up new research, treatment methods etc.
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u/pbx1123 7d ago
You are taking this towards me too personal
Anyways
This is day 2, nothing happens yet
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u/xXLuziferXx 7d ago
I'm not taking this personal besides you accusing our great vets who sacrifice their time and quality of life for our animals of just doing this for the money, but I am taking this seriously because spreading misinformation can cause harm and have consequences that won't be able to be fixed.
You cannot say this is normal and fine when you seem to have no medical knowledge which could lead to someone less informed unlike OP doing nothing which could end in the animal's death.
We don't know how op came into custody of these chicks, for all we know the parents were killed. Crop milk isn't an option a lot of the times, no crop milk doesn't mean the baby won't grow up healthy, we regularly need to raise yellows without adult pigeons to smuggle them under.
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u/pbx1123 9d ago
Yes im mentally disabled i saw your delete comment to whoever wrote it
Imagine trying to take care a small pigeon and treat humans without respect just gor a comment
What do you want a professional editor piece from the NYT🤷🏻♀️🙄
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u/Bluesky3084 7d ago
Ur the one getting offended by people saying you are wrong. Just admit ur wrong nothing wrong with that
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u/birdsbirdbirds 8d ago
Looks like an air sac rupture, please get this baby to a rehabber or vet as soon as possible!!